Okay, how about this for a strategy

[EarlG]

Modeled after Donald Trump’s patented and proven “I know you are but what am I?” defense, it can be used by anyone from party top brass to rank and file Dems on the Internet.

Any Democrat who gets asked “Should Joe Biden drop out of the race?” should henceforth answer, “I think Donald Trump should drop out of the race.”

It’s that simple.

Modifiers may be added at the speaker’s discretion. For example, “I think convicted felon Donald Trump should drop out of the race,” or, “I think top secret document thief Donald Trump should drop out of the race.”

If the questioner gives a follow up such as “I’m talking about Joe Biden,” just reply, “And I’m talking about Donald Trump.” Keep doing that until they give up. (If they’re cable news journalists they will probably give up quickly.)

There’s a reason Trump keeps using this trick after all…

[Alice Kramden]

1. Excellent strategy

Perfect

[lodownhodown]

84. Fighting with pigs

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ambigamy/201012/fighting-with-pigs-adult-variations-on-i-know-you-are-but-what-am-i

[Trueblue1968]

96. Donnie needs to drop out because He is a CONVICTED FELON and a Traitor !!!!!!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. My dear EarlG!

I can tell you've been around the block a few times! This is a very smart idea, and I hope everyone uses it.

Thank you for making DU even better, and more responsive than before.

[mitch96]

93. Ahhh the classic political pivot. Use something of the original statement and flip it to your point...Excellent!!

Kelly Ann Conway was a master of this...
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[bucolic_frolic]

3. Excellent! Dems need to answer so Dems control the message. Put the questions to bed fast!

Why are we so bad at these things. I think it stems from corporate speak skills that GOP has. Jen Psaki was our best at defining the narrative. And we need our Dems to get this act together fast.

[wnylib]

44. Yes, our Dem leaders could use this approach in interviews, speaking firmly and strongly

No nonsense approach.

[Cha]

67. Yes!

[LeftInTX]

4. Sounds like a plan! Democrats pay attention!

[shrike3]

5. I like it. Got to do offense.

[DENVERPOPS]

90. How about

everyone go to the Wiki page on Trump's technique: Gish Gallop

It is a known technique for screwing with the other side in a debate, and it is obvious that Trump was coached in how to master it, and also obvious that Biden's by advisors didn't coach Biden in how to go on the offense when he does it.

Don't expect the media to report on this topic of "Gish Gallop". 95+% of all U.S. media is owned by Uber Rich Republicans and Corporations............The GG is right down the strike zone of what they hammered Biden with.

Google Gish Gallop, and just read what it says.........

[shrike3]

91. I'm aware of what a Gish Gallup, but kudos for explaining it.

[canetoad]

6. I agree

Swing it right round and point it back at them and their orange idol.

[ananda]

7. Perfect idea!

Thank you.

[senseandsensibility]

8. Love it

The media would hate it, but that's part of the reason it's so great. I'd love to see them sputtering when that's the only reaction they can get.

[jmbar2]

9. Perfect

[Think. Again.]

10. Excellent idea.

[markodochartaigh]

11. Biden is rubber and Trump is poo,

everything they throw at Biden bounces off and sticks in poo.

[Auggie]

12. Brilliantly simple!!!

[ALBliberal]

13. Yes!!!!!

[The Unmitigated Gall]

14. I think child rapist Donald Trump should drop out of the race.

Hey, works for me.

[DoBW]

15. right on

[niyad]

16. oooooohhhh, WICKEDLY PERFECT. I LOVE IT!!!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

17. Republicans should've rejected traitortrump long ago. He should drop out immediately.

[mountain grammy]

18. Sounds good to me.

[mcar]

19. I've been replying to MSM

on social media: Hey, Trump is a pedophile. Did you know that?

[mahina]

20. Iʻm on it

We go!

[spanone]

21. K&R

[SalviaBlue]

22. This is the way.

[lapucelle]

23. I shut down a few folks this week who began with "I know Donald Trump is X, but Joe Biden is ..."

by telling them that they had it backwards. Let's reframe that talking point.

"I know Joe Biden is old and had a bad debate, but Donald Trump is old, looked into the camera and lied for 90 minutes straight, and is ... "

Then just add the descriptors of your choice:

- an adjudicated rapist
- a convicted felon
- a failed president
- amoral
- an insurrectionist
- a useful idiot in possession of classified documents
- a serial cheater
- a sexual weirdo
- an inveterate liar
- a self-interested sociopath
- a fraudster who preys on working class people
- a wanna be strong man with a detailed plan and an authoritarian team ready to go on January 20

[Nixie]

27. Love it! I'm so tired of feeling like there's something wrong

with me that I care more about a psycho liar and how he bullies and manipulates than Biden's bad night dealing with said bully and liar.

[Nixie]

25. This is perfect. Not another answer from Biden about the debate,

or his health. Enough already. Turn the questions back on Trump.

👍👍👍

[yourout]

26. I would add.. "because he's a convicted felon"

[rzemanfl]

31. Who has the morals of an alley cat.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

59. Ally cats

Have more empathy, kindness and courage and higher moral standards than any given republican. Please don’t insult our feline overlords.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

28. "Biden did fine..."

"Compared to the adjudicated rapist who lied to you for an hour and a half."

[dlk]

29. Really great action plan

Time to go on the offensive.

[BigmanPigman]

30. Quick and effective...I like it!

[onecaliberal]

32. Efficient and I believe could be very effective.

[58Sunliner]

33. Bless you EarlG.

[StarryNite]

34. Simple and to the point.

I like it!

[kacekwl]

35. Easy and perfect

Some of the more informed could go further and more detailed and humorous.

[dchill]

36. Get back to me when Biden commits multiple felonies...

...AND rapes somebody. AND buries his wife on a golf course.

Sorry. I know -TLDR

[LisaL]

37. Yep.

Sounds good to me.

[Aussie105]

38. I'd love to see Trump debate someone who . . .

ignores Trump's non-answers to a topic put to him, and responds with one liners like:

Did your father ever show love for you?

Where are Melania and Ivanka? Have they given up on you?

What is it like having sex with a porn star?

Scared of going to jail?

Why are you projecting so much hate?

What really is in that golf course burial plot?

Got any more documents hidden anywhere?

etc.

Not going to happen though, but I can dream.

[ms liberty]

39. Can I rec this a million times, please?

[Hope22]

40. Yes!

This will work!

[usonian]

41. Well, maybe ....

I am speculating that one reason the GOP wants Biden out of the race is that they expect TCF to explode like a giant fireball at some point soon, due to any number of reasons, and want to take the All-Star out of the game, so as to level the field for whatever less famous nutcase they nominate.

Of course, everything they say is projection. You just have to turn their words around to understand what they are thinking.

And if any support Kamala Harris (now that the nomination is assured) it's so that they can launch a campaign of racism and misogyny about 10 times their efforts against Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

You are suggesting turning their famous "whatabout-ism" against them. Pretty cool.

"Whatabout" consists of taking one isolated outlier from the other side, and making that look like the norm, and further, trying to make it cover up their own persistent and consistent skulduggery. "How can you accuse me of these high crimes and misdemeanors when your cufflinks don't match your shoes?"

Check my comebacks at the bottom half of todays post.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219113147

[MiHale]

42. Perfect.

[ailsagirl]

43. I like your strategy!!

[highplainsdem]

45. Great idea!

[DemocraticPatriot]

46. DONALD TRUMP SHOULD WITHDRAW FROM THE RACE!

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY, EarlG !!!!!!!


That is what Democrats should have been saying from the beginning...

[onandup]

47. But a handful of Democrats do want him to drop out

And they are the ones the media brings on.

[Pinback]

51. EarlG is talking about what WE can do.

Most of us are not going to be on TV any time soon, but we all have influence in our circles and communities, both IRL and virtual. Reject the framing when you know it’s bullshit.

P.S. Welcome to DU! Hope you’ve enjoyed it here since you joined the evening of 6/27.

[DENVERPOPS]

89. Publish those Dems names

and their addresses, phone numbers, email address, and we all can email "Letter Bomb" them back into the stone age.

[Generic Brad]

92. If they show up here, you now know what to do

I keep seeing posters say, "This is a discussion board. We should be able to discuss this." Fine. Discuss away while the rest of the grown ups ignore the juvenile attempt to engage and instead discuss why the other guy needs to drop out of the race.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

48. Unless that Democrat being asked is at the White House nt

[czarjak]

49. Just say NO to no.

Live by the alternative fact, die by the alternative fact.

[debm55]

50. Thank you, EarlG

[Blue Owl]

52. K&R

[Pinback]

53. Yes! Reject fallacious framing.

There is no reason to accept the bogus narrative somebody else wants to foist upon you.

[PatSeg]

54. Oh, you're good!

So simple and to the point.

[greatauntoftriplets]

55. What a terrific idea.

Thanks, EarlG.

[yonder]

56. Thank you. It's been a long weekend of bludgeoning by one story.

That's as good a tact as any I've come across.

[brooklynite]

57. The problem is that there are a growing number of "any Democrats" who DO think he should drop out.

[EarlG]

72. Well, they are completely free to ignore this suggestion

To be fair, it’s really aimed more at the people who are trying to help our nominee anyway, as opposed to the people who are trying to stab him in the back and then throw him under the bus.

[debm55]

104. Very nicely done, EarlG.

[Wednesdays]

58. Ooh, I like!

Kick and rec!

[Tumbulu]

60. Excellent!

I may use those lines here on DU as well. As I cannot believe how even here some members are continually posting the fruits of the propaganda!

Thank you!

[WA-03 Democrat]

61. DROP OUT DON!

Perhaps my first tattoo

[Wild blueberry]

62. Simple. Brilliant. Perfect.

Thank you!

[Justice matters.]

63. It's very good, but the problem is if the convicted felon drops out...

his "replacement" could be even worse (I know it's tough but some christofascists could know what they're doing with the insane project 2025, which is a manifesto of pure cruel fascism in the name of the invisible guy in the sky), and with the corrupt immunity ruling, it could turn into a real bloodbath.

[EarlG]

71. It's important to note that this isn't meant to make Trump drop out

He will never, ever drop out, and that’s part of the messaging strategy.

No matter what he’s done in the past, or what he is doing now, Trump will never consider dropping out. He is in it to the end, and his party is 100% behind him. They will scoff at calls for him to step down.

And people instinctively know this, so it helps nullify the attack on Biden by reminding them that if Trump will never heed calls to drop out, even after all the evil deeds he’s committed, then why should Biden, who hasn’t done any of those things?

[larwdem]

64. fight fire with fire

[Hekate]

65. I like this

[applegrove]

66. I think the candidate who lied 29 to 50 times during the debate should drop out.

[Cha]

68. I Like It! Change the subject.. TSF is a Sociopathic Liar and Convicted Felon,

Sexual Predator, Rapist, Fraud, Traitor, Tried to Overthrow the Governet because he lost. Guy's a "One Man Crime Spree".. Putin's Puppet. Oh so now he's documented Using Epstein's Services with Minors.

He isn't fit for anything but Prison.

Mahalo

[bluboid]

69. Brilliant reply!!! will do!

Finally, something CONSTRUCTIVE!
Thank you!

[BoRaGard]

73. Donald Felon Trump should do the honorable thing and drop out

honor? republican?

[CapnSteve]

74. Exactly! I produce and host a radio show...

…each week (news), and I always ‘correct’ my scripts to say “convicted felon Donald Trump.” To mix it up, sometimes I say “34 time convicted felon Donald Trump.”

[gademocrat7]

75. Spot on, EarlG!

[Nimble_Idea]

76. but............

then "we become like them", or "we don't live in echo chambers" or some other loser trope.


Get behind Joe Biden! the knives are out and coming from our six.

I'm with Joe, Orange glo has got to go!

[sop]

77. This strategy includes Joe Biden himself.

When Joe's asked "are you stepping aside?" the immediate response should be, "Have you asked Trump if he's stepping aside?" Then go through the many crimes Trump has committed and ask again, "Why haven't you in the media demanded he step down?"

[Silver Gaia]

78. PERFECT!

Love it!

[GoCubsGo]

79. Yes, but with one modification.

ALWAYS be sure to add the words "convicted felon and adjudicated rapist" ahead of "Donald Trump." Do it any time you say his name, not just when the subject of dropping out of the race comes up.

[kentuck]

80. I think this is an opportunity for Democrats.

They should start an ad campaign: Why Doesn't Trump Drop Out?

It makes a hell of a lot more sense.

Democrats could make lemonade out of these lemons.

[wryter2000]

81. Love it

Make it so

[Conjuay]

82. I think Trump should drop out of

the human race.

But the gods have never listened to me before.

[Snarkoleptic]

83. There is ample evidence Trump is not well. He should drop out.

[Trueblue Texan]

85. I think that's a good strategy and I also think we should do a media boycott...

No mainstream news, no FB, no X. Just shut them down for the next month.

[Traurigkeit]

87. Already do. Those corps get nothing from me for over 25 years.

Once the ability to bypass normal connections, dumping GOP owned, controlled media was the key.

[Peacetrain]

86. Excellent!

[Chalco]

88. Then say, Trump's a narcissistic psychopath with ADHD. There is nothing more dangerous for our country and the world.

In my professional opinion.

[dai13sy]

94. I'm using this.

This is the absolutely perfect come back. YES!!

[Captain Zero]

95. I'm planting those memes on facebook

Everyone should.

Thanks
Earl.

[Patton French]

97. Most definitely!!

K&R

[proud patriot]

98. Agreed

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. Sounds good to me.

[bigtree]

100. this has been a pretty satisfying strategy.

...good way to show opposition to their endless badgering or Dems and shows them our interest in confrontintg Trump with the same or more.

[viva la]

101. I've also been saying that the SCOTUS has given absolute immunity to Joe Biden. LOL

My MAGA uncle was FURIOUS. Said, no, immunity only applied to Trump.

I told him it's about "the president," and the president is Joe Biden, and he could order Trump's kidnapping and imprisonment in Gitmo if he wanted to, because of Trump's own appeal.

"That would make Biden a dictator!" he pointed out.
"Yep." I did not add, "Suck on it."

They really want Trump to be a dictator... but no one else. They're assuming that if he becomes president, we won't have any other presidents, so they don't have to worry.

[soldierant]

102. I just hope that no one gets hurt employing it.

Those slut puppies are violent. As long as it's safe, go for it.

[ZonkerHarris]

103. everyone steal this advice and pass it along on all social media

[Progressive dog]

105. It makes sense.

[red dog 1]

106. K&R

I think the morally bankrupt traitor, rapist, insurrectionist and liar should drop out of the race.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

107. I only regret I have but one 'rec' to give to this suggestion.