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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOkay, how about this for a strategy
Modeled after Donald Trumps patented and proven I know you are but what am I? defense, it can be used by anyone from party top brass to rank and file Dems on the Internet.
Any Democrat who gets asked Should Joe Biden drop out of the race? should henceforth answer, I think Donald Trump should drop out of the race.
Its that simple.
Modifiers may be added at the speakers discretion. For example, I think convicted felon Donald Trump should drop out of the race, or, I think top secret document thief Donald Trump should drop out of the race.
If the questioner gives a follow up such as Im talking about Joe Biden, just reply, And Im talking about Donald Trump. Keep doing that until they give up. (If theyre cable news journalists they will probably give up quickly.)
Theres a reason Trump keeps using this trick after all
Alice Kramden
(2,362 posts)Perfect
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lodownhodown
(6 posts)Trueblue1968
(17,924 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(151,761 posts)I can tell you've been around the block a few times! This is a very smart idea, and I hope everyone uses it.
Thank you for making DU even better, and more responsive than before.
mitch96
(14,567 posts)Kelly Ann Conway was a master of this...
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bucolic_frolic
(46,512 posts)Why are we so bad at these things. I think it stems from corporate speak skills that GOP has. Jen Psaki was our best at defining the narrative. And we need our Dems to get this act together fast.
wnylib
(24,103 posts)No nonsense approach.
LeftInTX
(29,689 posts)shrike3
(5,370 posts)DENVERPOPS
(9,850 posts)everyone go to the Wiki page on Trump's technique: Gish Gallop
It is a known technique for screwing with the other side in a debate, and it is obvious that Trump was coached in how to master it, and also obvious that Biden's by advisors didn't coach Biden in how to go on the offense when he does it.
Don't expect the media to report on this topic of "Gish Gallop". 95+% of all U.S. media is owned by Uber Rich Republicans and Corporations............The GG is right down the strike zone of what they hammered Biden with.
Google Gish Gallop, and just read what it says.........
shrike3
(5,370 posts)canetoad
(18,033 posts)Swing it right round and point it back at them and their orange idol.
ananda
(30,403 posts)Thank you.
senseandsensibility
(20,256 posts)The media would hate it, but that's part of the reason it's so great. I'd love to see them sputtering when that's the only reaction they can get.
Think. Again.
(17,115 posts)markodochartaigh
(1,895 posts)everything they throw at Biden bounces off and sticks in poo.
Auggie
(31,758 posts)ALBliberal
(2,804 posts)The Unmitigated Gall
(4,438 posts)Hey, works for me.
niyad
(119,182 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(36,378 posts)mountain grammy
(27,160 posts)mcar
(43,366 posts)on social media: Hey, Trump is a pedophile. Did you know that?
mahina
(18,815 posts)We go!
SalviaBlue
(3,023 posts)lapucelle
(19,518 posts)by telling them that they had it backwards. Let's reframe that talking point.
"I know Joe Biden is old and had a bad debate, but Donald Trump is old, looked into the camera and lied for 90 minutes straight, and is ... "
Then just add the descriptors of your choice:
- an adjudicated rapist
- a convicted felon
- a failed president
- amoral
- an insurrectionist
- a useful idiot in possession of classified documents
- a serial cheater
- a sexual weirdo
- an inveterate liar
- a self-interested sociopath
- a fraudster who preys on working class people
- a wanna be strong man with a detailed plan and an authoritarian team ready to go on January 20
Nixie
(17,359 posts)with me that I care more about a psycho liar and how he bullies and manipulates than Biden's bad night dealing with said bully and liar.
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Nixie
(17,359 posts)or his health. Enough already. Turn the questions back on Trump.
👍👍👍
yourout
(7,943 posts)rzemanfl
(30,233 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,869 posts)Have more empathy, kindness and courage and higher moral standards than any given republican. Please dont insult our feline overlords.
The Unmitigated Gall
(4,438 posts)"Compared to the adjudicated rapist who lied to you for an hour and a half."
dlk
(12,237 posts)Time to go on the offensive.
BigmanPigman
(52,147 posts)onecaliberal
(35,476 posts)58Sunliner
(4,937 posts)StarryNite
(10,657 posts)I like it!
kacekwl
(7,412 posts)Some of the more informed could go further and more detailed and humorous.
dchill
(40,146 posts)...AND rapes somebody. AND buries his wife on a golf course.
Sorry. I know -TLDR
Sounds good to me.
Aussie105
(6,161 posts)ignores Trump's non-answers to a topic put to him, and responds with one liners like:
Did your father ever show love for you?
Where are Melania and Ivanka? Have they given up on you?
What is it like having sex with a porn star?
Scared of going to jail?
Why are you projecting so much hate?
What really is in that golf course burial plot?
Got any more documents hidden anywhere?
etc.
Not going to happen though, but I can dream.
ms liberty
(9,765 posts)This will work!
usonian
(13,303 posts)I am speculating that one reason the GOP wants Biden out of the race is that they expect TCF to explode like a giant fireball at some point soon, due to any number of reasons, and want to take the All-Star out of the game, so as to level the field for whatever less famous nutcase they nominate.
Of course, everything they say is projection. You just have to turn their words around to understand what they are thinking.
And if any support Kamala Harris (now that the nomination is assured) it's so that they can launch a campaign of racism and misogyny about 10 times their efforts against Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
You are suggesting turning their famous "whatabout-ism" against them. Pretty cool.
"Whatabout" consists of taking one isolated outlier from the other side, and making that look like the norm, and further, trying to make it cover up their own persistent and consistent skulduggery. "How can you accuse me of these high crimes and misdemeanors when your cufflinks don't match your shoes?"
Check my comebacks at the bottom half of todays post.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219113147
MiHale
(10,623 posts)ailsagirl
(23,695 posts)highplainsdem
(51,960 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY, EarlG !!!!!!!
That is what Democrats should have been saying from the beginning...
onandup
(701 posts)And they are the ones the media brings on.
Pinback
(12,799 posts)Most of us are not going to be on TV any time soon, but we all have influence in our circles and communities, both IRL and virtual. Reject the framing when you know its bullshit.
P.S. Welcome to DU! Hope youve enjoyed it here since you joined the evening of 6/27.
DENVERPOPS
(9,850 posts)and their addresses, phone numbers, email address, and we all can email "Letter Bomb" them back into the stone age.
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)I keep seeing posters say, "This is a discussion board. We should be able to discuss this." Fine. Discuss away while the rest of the grown ups ignore the juvenile attempt to engage and instead discuss why the other guy needs to drop out of the race.
DontBelieveEastisEas
(1,041 posts)czarjak
(12,330 posts)Live by the alternative fact, die by the alternative fact.
debm55
(34,097 posts)Pinback
(12,799 posts)There is no reason to accept the bogus narrative somebody else wants to foist upon you.
PatSeg
(49,589 posts)So simple and to the point.
greatauntoftriplets
(176,697 posts)Thanks, EarlG.
yonder
(9,992 posts)That's as good a tact as any I've come across.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)EarlG
(22,453 posts)To be fair, its really aimed more at the people who are trying to help our nominee anyway, as opposed to the people who are trying to stab him in the back and then throw him under the bus.
debm55
(34,097 posts)Wednesdays
(20,095 posts)Kick and rec!
Tumbulu
(6,431 posts)I may use those lines here on DU as well. As I cannot believe how even here some members are continually posting the fruits of the propaganda!
Thank you!
WA-03 Democrat
(3,259 posts)Perhaps my first tattoo
Wild blueberry
(7,140 posts)Thank you!
Justice matters.
(7,431 posts)his "replacement" could be even worse (I know it's tough but some christofascists could know what they're doing with the insane project 2025, which is a manifesto of pure cruel fascism in the name of the invisible guy in the sky), and with the corrupt immunity ruling, it could turn into a real bloodbath.
EarlG
(22,453 posts)He will never, ever drop out, and thats part of the messaging strategy.
No matter what hes done in the past, or what he is doing now, Trump will never consider dropping out. He is in it to the end, and his party is 100% behind him. They will scoff at calls for him to step down.
And people instinctively know this, so it helps nullify the attack on Biden by reminding them that if Trump will never heed calls to drop out, even after all the evil deeds hes committed, then why should Biden, who hasnt done any of those things?
larwdem
(822 posts)Hekate
(94,218 posts)applegrove
(122,672 posts)Cha
(304,419 posts)Sexual Predator, Rapist, Fraud, Traitor, Tried to Overthrow the Governet because he lost. Guy's a "One Man Crime Spree".. Putin's Puppet. Oh so now he's documented Using Epstein's Services with Minors.
He isn't fit for anything but Prison.
Mahalo
bluboid
(658 posts)Finally, something CONSTRUCTIVE!
Thank you!
BoRaGard
(2,629 posts)honor? republican?
CapnSteve
(252 posts)each week (news), and I always correct my scripts to say convicted felon Donald Trump. To mix it up, sometimes I say 34 time convicted felon Donald Trump.
gademocrat7
(11,104 posts)Nimble_Idea
(2,320 posts)then "we become like them", or "we don't live in echo chambers" or some other loser trope.
Get behind Joe Biden! the knives are out and coming from our six.
I'm with Joe, Orange glo has got to go!
sop
(11,078 posts)When Joe's asked "are you stepping aside?" the immediate response should be, "Have you asked Trump if he's stepping aside?" Then go through the many crimes Trump has committed and ask again, "Why haven't you in the media demanded he step down?"
Silver Gaia
(4,731 posts)Love it!
GoCubsGo
(32,875 posts)ALWAYS be sure to add the words "convicted felon and adjudicated rapist" ahead of "Donald Trump." Do it any time you say his name, not just when the subject of dropping out of the race comes up.
kentuck
(112,539 posts)They should start an ad campaign: Why Doesn't Trump Drop Out?
It makes a hell of a lot more sense.
Democrats could make lemonade out of these lemons.
wryter2000
(47,260 posts)Make it so
Conjuay
(2,018 posts)the human race.
But the gods have never listened to me before.
Snarkoleptic
(6,024 posts)Trueblue Texan
(2,861 posts)No mainstream news, no FB, no X. Just shut them down for the next month.
Traurigkeit
(1,290 posts)Once the ability to bypass normal connections, dumping GOP owned, controlled media was the key.
Peacetrain
(23,604 posts)Chalco
(1,352 posts)In my professional opinion.
dai13sy
(463 posts)This is the absolutely perfect come back. YES!!
Captain Zero
(7,416 posts)Everyone should.
Thanks
Earl.
Patton French
(1,101 posts)K&R
proud patriot
(101,050 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,441 posts)bigtree
(89,635 posts)...good way to show opposition to their endless badgering or Dems and shows them our interest in confrontintg Trump with the same or more.
viva la
(3,710 posts)My MAGA uncle was FURIOUS. Said, no, immunity only applied to Trump.
I told him it's about "the president," and the president is Joe Biden, and he could order Trump's kidnapping and imprisonment in Gitmo if he wanted to, because of Trump's own appeal.
"That would make Biden a dictator!" he pointed out.
"Yep." I did not add, "Suck on it."
They really want Trump to be a dictator... but no one else. They're assuming that if he becomes president, we won't have any other presidents, so they don't have to worry.
soldierant
(7,773 posts)Those slut puppies are violent. As long as it's safe, go for it.
ZonkerHarris
(25,171 posts)Progressive dog
(7,195 posts)I think the morally bankrupt traitor, rapist, insurrectionist and liar should drop out of the race.