Just remember who is the first to jump ship 😉

[SocialDemocrat61]

[brooklynite]

1. Ugly comment

Are you saying there's no legitimate reason Democrats could have to be concerned about President Biden's situation?

[LisaL]

2. I think it's time to shut up about those concerns (legitimate or not), because all that's going to do

is get Trump elected. That's my concern. Time to raise those concerns was before the primaries. What happens if the candidate is changed now?
Millions voted for him in the primary. Those people will be disenfranchised. And I guarantee they won't be happy.
The new candidate will have to start from scratch, and there is no time left for that.
If that candidate isn't Harris, he (or she) won't have access to campaign funds.
If it is Harris, she is already on the ticket, so what is the benefit of replacing Biden with her?
These concern citizens will only result in Trump being elected, nothing else, as far as I am concerned.

[GiqueCee]

24. I keep telling the Chicken Littles the same thing...

... but what really enrages me is the media dog-piling on Biden over a few minutes when he was ill and overworked by the prep monkeys, ignoring all he's accomplished, and NOT saying a goddamned word about Trump's dozens of lies and threats in the same debate. They are lower than snake shit in a tire track.
And, blinded by their own insufferable arrogance, they've forgotten how much their beloved 3rd-rate Hitler hates THEM. Well, boys and girls, you've fucked around, and now you're gonna find out. As soon as you've outlived your usefulness to that psychotic monster, you'll discover the definition of defenestration... the hard way.

[thucythucy]

41. "Lower than snake shit in a tire track."

Is that original? If so, I must say you have a wonderful way with words!

Points also for "defenestration."

Best wishes.

[GiqueCee]

47. Yeah...

... the snake shit thing is original. I kinda like alliteration. And I love language, and crafting a memorable phrase that rolls off the tongue easily.

Thanks for the kudos and best wishes, and I happily return the sentiments!

[Bayard]

52. Lower than snake shit in a tire track.

That's a keeper!

[SocialDemocrat61]

3. Concern is fine and warranted

Jumping ship is not.

[brooklynite]

4. Who is jumping ship?

Who has said they WON'T vote for Biden if he remains the nominee?

People who want Biden to stay as the nominee want the Democrats to win.

People who want Biden to step aside want the Democrats to win.

[SocialDemocrat61]

7. Not supporting Biden

is jumping ship.

Fortunately, everyone here on DU is supporting the President.

[brooklynite]

8. Are you saying nobody here believes he should step down as the nominee?

[SocialDemocrat61]

9. I am unaware of anyone

calling for him to do so. Granted I don’t read every single post but the vast majority are supporting the President.

[Raven]

11. You should know better than almost anybody on DU what a mess it will be to pick a

replacement for Joe...and if they decide they have no choice but to pick KH, picking the VP will be a sh** show. It is past time to close ranks...in fact, it may be too late and, if it is, I know the group I'm never going to forgive for not staying the course. No offense meant to you, but I am a little surprised at you.

[shrike3]

17. What's the plan for when ballot lawsuits are filed in swing states?

What's the plan for when Kamala is hammered endlessly and can't even talk about the issues because she's endlessly on defense?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

38. These ballot lawsuits will hurt the party if we replace President Biden

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219114429

[shrike3]

56. My point exactly.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. I want to win in 2024 and keep TFG out of office

[live love laugh]

58. Why are you so invested in proving Biden should step down?

[shrike3]

16. Your concerned donor circle?

[Celerity]

51. Major donors (from your broad ecosphere of interaction) are stopping funding to try and force Biden to drop out, so

there is that. 'Jumping ship' doesn't only mean not voting Democratic if Biden remains, as he likely will atm.



Joe Biden dropped by major Hollywood donors

More and more film industry figures, such as Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings, have called on the US president to pass the torch to another Democratic candidate in the race for the White House.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/07/07/joe-biden-dropped-by-major-hollywood-donors_6676952_4.html

https://archive.ph/eHFkp

Published today at 1:29 pm (Paris)

On Saturday, June 16, Joe Biden and Barack Obama took to the stage at the Peacock Theatre in Los Angeles. Hollywood celebrities turned out in force, including George Clooney, Julia Roberts and Barbra Streisand, for the gala, which raised $30 million, more than the $26 million raised at New York's Radio City Music Hall in March. Yet, since his catastrophic June 27 debate with Donald Trump, some key figures in Hollywood – a community that has largely supported Democrats since Bill Clinton – have dropped Biden. Still, the American president, for his part, doesn't intend to give up. In a much-anticipated interview with ABC on Friday, he maintained that "I don’t think anybody’s more qualified to be president or win this race than me." How much longer can he keep this up?

Several major donors have announced that they would suspend their funding for Biden's campaign to force the 81-year-old president out of the race. "The lifeblood to a campaign is money," said Ari Emanuel, a well-known Hollywood agent and major Democratic party donor, whose brother Rahm was Obama's former chief of staff when he was in the White House. "And maybe the only way this gets [solved] is if the money starts drying up."

Netflix co-founder Reed Hastings has, along with his wife, donated more than $20 million to the Democratic Party in recent years. He has also called on the president to throw in the towel. "Biden needs to step aside to allow a vigorous Democratic leader to beat Trump and keep us safe and prosperous," he told the New York Times.

Read more Subscribers only US left-wing media lift silence on President Biden's health
Walt Disney's granddaughter, Abigail Disney, also announced that she was suspending her support. "I intend to stop any contributions to the party unless and until they replace Biden at the top of the ticket. This is realism, not disrespect. Biden is a good man and has served his country admirably, but the stakes are far too high," Disney said, in a lengthy statement to CNBC. "If Biden does not step down the Democrats will lose," she warned.

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[Blue Full Moon]

61. Some seem

To be for tRump to win. And them saying that Biden should quit are doing exactly that. This election is way to important for this BS. This needed shut down immediately and attack tRump from all sides but instead our own team is attacking Biden? Republicans don’t need to do anything because supposed democrats are doing for them.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

62. Here's some historical perspective on why you cannot change candidates at this late date

Link to tweet

[cilla4progress]

5. Please explain the following:

Biden's SOTU speech
Traveling back and forth to Europe twice in a week
D-Day anniversary speech
NC Rally

Etc etc etc

Judging him based on a debate where tsf lied and gish galloped his ass off?

[bdamomma]

25. President

Joe has always been for us, working behind the scenes. He is the best since FDR.

Why is TSF even in the running?? He's a convicted felon. We all know that. Oh, he's Putin's and Orban's puppet. They will have their "mission accomplished" if TSF gets in.

[elleng]

46. Thank you.

[Phoenix61]

10. I think it's a GREAT comment. nt

[Gore1FL]

12. If the OP isn't , I am. It seems like a bunch of bullshit to me.

Claiming that Biden is unfit is an indictment of Democratic leadership; Those who think Biden should step down inherently believe Democrstic leadership, knowing there was a problem, did nothing when there was time to do so.

So, if the fur fits...

[JustAnotherGen]

13. Really - its not

No one has been attacked at DU.

It's time to hold the Damn Line!

If you can't support candidates local up to the President - you can't be on Committee. You were elected to count votes.

[58Sunliner]

20. Right on cue.

[BComplex]

23. I AM!! I'm saying "there's no legitimate reason Democrats could have to be concerned about President Biden's

"SITUATION". Biden doesn't have "a situation". The media, the "big donor" "CLASS" (wtf??? what kind of class system are we voters supposed to bow to?) THEY have "a situation" and they need to get over their well-monied selves and get their heads back in the game. The voters chose Biden. We did not choose "the donor class" or the media.

They knew Biden was old the first time he ran. There's no there there. It's ageism at its most vicious, and REAL democrats should be calling it out (and should ALWAYS call out any kind of prejudice or stereotyping) rather than promoting it.

You're damn right I'm SAYING there's no LEGITIMATE reason Democrats could have to be concerned about president Biden's situation.

And if we can get him re-elected, and send him a House and Senate to support him (which we could do, if the REPUBLICAN OWNED COMMERCIAL MEDIA and donor class would shut up), his second term could be EVEN BETTER than his first term, which was the BEST I've seen in my 75 years.

[elleng]

48. Thank you.

[BComplex]

49. ;)

[Peacetrain]

29. No...end of story.. just no

[LetMyPeopleVote]

40. Dems attacking Biden are 'doing more damage' than the debate: analyst

I agree with the OP. Only traitors to the party would support this move. These attacks on President Biden are very stupid and only helping TFG. Why are supposed Democrats working to re-elect TFG?

Link to tweet

https://www.rawstory.com/biden-debate-2668695029/

After stating Biden needs to get in front of voters more, she told the MSNBC hosts, "I would suggest that the response of that very small number of Democrats that have really come out after the president, and some of the media folks that have really come down on him since the election have done more damage and more harm than the president himself did during that debate."

"For me, and millions of Americans like me, this election is about the future of our country. It is about democracy, it is about getting away from the imperialistic, criminal presidency of Donald Trump and making sure that our children have a future that we can feel good about and be proud of," she explained.

She added, "It naive to think that at this point in the process you can switch candidates and still defeat Donald Trump. It is naive to think that the Democratic party will come out of a contested convention more united and stronger than they are today. "

"I think there is a lot more damage being done by folks other than Joe Biden when you look at how folks are reacting to this," she concluded.

[liberalla]

57. Thank you! I love this post!

[Tumbulu]

42. There are plenty of other internet places to bring this up- I suggest those who wish to engage

in this nonsense go there.

Me, I am sick and tired of coming to my place of refuge ( from hiding in my blue puddle in a red zone) and seeing this endless propaganda.

And that is what it is.

Those who wish to engage in it should go somewhere else.

This has been a safe zone, I need it to stay this way.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

55. WHAT is President Biden's "situation"?

Why do you start so many posts with "are you saying"? Twisting posters' words? Talk about ugly comments.

Just NO.

[live love laugh]

59. It's not a "ugly comment". Warner should be remembered with others.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. I wish i could rec this

One thousand times. Its a Committee member's dream post.

[Goodheart]

18. I'm not understanding the very point of this site

Does it exist just to provide a bubble? Where we can't even discuss alternative directions within our own Democratic cause without being ostracized as a rat?

I can guarantee there is nobody outside of staunch Democrats who frequent this site. So is this just for rah-rah yay us? Nothing persuasive is going on here to sway anybody to the Democratic cause, because there are no non-Democrats here. So, does this site exist as a church, where we all pat ourselves on the back at how conformist we are?

[SocialDemocrat61]

19. Hopefully this will explain things

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus

[Goodheart]

21. Yeah, well, that really doesn't.

What "social change" do you expect to effect by stifling discussion?

[SocialDemocrat61]

26. Not trying to stifle any discussion

Just stating an opinion. You are free to disagree.

[Goodheart]

28. Am I?

I've seen several very respectful and civil posts deleted, my own included, for stating our opinions.

Have I noticed that I haven't called YOU a rat or ratfucker?

[SocialDemocrat61]

32. No you haven't

And only one comment in the thread was deleted. If you have had a comment deleted in another thread and feel that it was unfair, you can always appeal it.

[Irish_Dem]

30. "Having fun"

One of the stated goals.

I don't think insulting each other and name calling is fun.
It is sad and a waste of time.

We are at war to save our democracy.
Time to get serious and win this thing.

[58Sunliner]

22. "I can guarantee there is nobody outside of staunch Democrats who frequent this site."

[shrike3]

33. Given all the disruptors, that was a rather precious comment.

[58Sunliner]

36. I hope no one's selling snake oil.

[shrike3]

31. Read the TOS, and maybe take it up with the administrators?

[niyad]

50. Oh my word, PLEASE tell me that you forgot the sarcasm thingy with that

'staunch Dems" comment!!! If that were true, we would not need MIRT, and I would not be called to multiple juries a day, as I have been since 27 June.

[Irish_Dem]

27. We cannot win an election by insulting and name calling each other.

We need all hands on deck.

[MOMFUDSKI]

35. Like any SMART family, the Dems needed to

keep it in house and not be spewing crap in front of a hostile press.

[allegorical oracle]

39. I'm for holding the line for Joe. He's worked his butt off from day one. As I recall, his

predecessor spent something like one entire year of the four he "served" playing golf at his "resorts" -- and walking off with some $6 million in personal profits due to the office he held.

[totodeinhere]

43. I agree with your analogy. Those few House Democrats

are just like rats. However the ship is not sinking. The ship is on a steady and clear course to victory in November and to a second successful Biden term.

[LisaL]

45. Good point. Those rats are jumping off a solid ship

into the water, where they will drown.

[japple]

44. Just remember that the media is chosing which stories to run. They are being told to run with

the stories about how everyone is in favor of Biden stepping aside. They are protecting their jobs by pleasing their corporate masters who want tRUMP and tax cuts. The media will not make my decision for me.

[republianmushroom]

53. Yup

[carpetbagger]

54. I've had enough of Democrats being called rats.

Right or wrong, the Democrats who have publicly called for Biden to step aside in favor of a different Democrat appear to be motivated by concern about success of the party and have a track record of party loyalty.

Again, as someone who gets called a rat all the time based on my party affiliation by the Neonazis around me (without even them knowing I'm a Jew according to Third Reich law), I'm not chuckling at the humor here.

[live love laugh]

60. "Concern": i'll take things Susan Collins would say for 💯 Alex.

[carpetbagger]

63. When you have Jewish family in the South...

...your ears perk up when you hear people described as rats. You hear what people say, and if you're not religiously or identifiably Jewish, you hear it all.

But yeah, ha ha ha. Funny. Ha.