Maybe it's just my own personal biases speaking, but...

[Tommy Carcetti]

…the whole “Biden needs to step aside or else we risk losing the election” reminds me a lot of the whole “Ukraine needs to make a peace deal with Putin in order to preserve what’s left of its country” thought process.

Mind you, both arguments could be made in good faith; you don’t have to be a secret Trump or Russia supporter to be making them.

But both scream of panic, desperation and short term thinking. And both have a high risk of backfiring horribly.

[GreenWave]

1. My Russian sources think this is similar to Russia when they ramp up against somebody.

Bots are out doing their damnedest. But the other guy F's up over a hundred times a year with no such blow-back.

[rampartc]

4. heather richardson was on franken podcast.

she studies how the russians, and the cia do this stuff.

trump must be getting this shit from someone a lot smarter than he is.

[Bev54]

11. There is no doubt he is getting his marching orders from others, all you have to do is read the 2025 project

and know they are teaching him a few items in there so he can keep screaming them out. He is a total moron who will say whatever anybody tells him (but not if it is a lot of work) if they make it lucrative for him, money, and now freedom. Just looking at who is behind project 2025, all the Trump acolytes, who are also dumb as posts writing this. They too, are told what and how to do it, most likely it is written by someone else and they put their names to their chapter because none of these idiots are smart enough to do this on their own. The same goes for SCOTUS, bought and paid for so they play their role in this fascist takeover.

[rampartc]

16. i hate to call it "charisma"

but whatever mutant superpower he has to corrupt everything he touches. that is all him.

[debm55]

21. If you ever watched Hitler speak, he had "charisma" too and look at all the evil he did.

[rampartc]

23. some use it for good

jfk came to mind.

but i imagine it is just easier to become a creep.

[debm55]

24. Yes, thank you rampartc. JFK and Obama both had charisma and used it for good purposes Trump and Hitler(Who used the

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slogan-Make Germany Great Again, to get into power) used their charisma for evil.

[Blue Full Moon]

14. Trump worships Putin

Remember when the fascist take over one party they infiltrate the opposition to try to control the outcome. Billions of dollars is at stake.

[erronis]

19. I'll bet that trump lives in fear of Putin. Of course, fear can be used to force "worship".

[Blue Full Moon]

20. Awe

[oldsoftie]

15. They're working overtime on twitter for Putin & Trump.

And its SO obvious that its coordinated; you'll see one post & suddenly its shared 1000000 times.

[True Dough]

2. The Ukrainians have been setting the example.

We too have to fight like hell!

[gab13by13]

3. I know this from the enormous propaganda push that has been going on

Putin and TSF fear a 2nd Biden term. Joe has been around the block a time or two and his age is a plus in knowing how to deal with our enemies.

[PatSeg]

5. "Panic, desperation, and short term thinking"

I agree and little good comes from that. Right now, we need clear headed, calm decisionmakers, who know that this shall pass.

[The Magistrate]

6. The Croakers, Sir, Forget The Cardinal Rule Of Popular Politics

"Where are the people? I must hurry there to lead them!"

[brooklynite]

7. Nobody who supports Ukraine has said that

Reality is that people who do support the Democratic Party have said it about Biden.

[Tumbulu]

8. It seems to be just a few - and

the deal is, it is divisive and stupid.

And the majority of us see it and say stop it.

[Elessar Zappa]

9. There's just as many supporting President Biden staying in,

including 70% of Democratic voters. So who wins the argument? President Biden. It’s his choice.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

22. More than 4 in 10 Democrats, 41%, said the Democratic Party should replace Biden as its presidential nominee.

"exclusive USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds"

[rubbersole]

10. This is a rerun of the 2016 Hillary bashing.

Russian bots, "social" media, AI, clickbait corporate media....lather, rinse and repeat. Lots of noise but little/none mention of the last 6 years of election results. 4 more months of tsf as the face of the repub party. They are clowns. Dangerous clowns, but clowns nonetheless. The blue tsunami will be bigger than expected.

[bluescribbler]

12. If Biden steps aside now, or at any time before the election, we're guaranteed to lose.

Guaranteed to lose the Presidency. Guaranteed to lose the House. Guaranteed to lose the Senate. Guaranteed to hand over complete control of the Government to the SlobFather and the Heritage Foundation. Guaranteed to watch two more HF vetted young lawyers get elevated to USSC, cementing a xtian nationalist supermajority for decades to come. Guaranteed to lose our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Guaranfuckingteed. That is all.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

17. Adam Schiff said, "I think she very well could win overwhelmingly," nt

[bluescribbler]

25. You talking about Kamala?

I fear she could lose a significant # of Biden supporters simply because she is a woman of color. Of course, I don't consider that to be a valid reason, after all, my first vote was for Shirley Chisholm for President in 1972. They'd never admit those were the reasons, but I suspect that it would be a deciding factor. I hope I am wrong.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

28. He was, not me. I thought Obama could not win due to race.

I was amazed that we could elect him in this country at that time. Even some who are now Trumpers voted for him!

I thought more women would vote for Hillary because she was a woman, (and she was great). I thought many in red territory would tell everybody that they were Trumpers, but vote for Hilary. I guess people don't vote as much :identity" as I thought. (or still think?)

[Joinfortmill]

13. You are being kind.

[iemanja]

18. Why the determination to ascribe evil motives to those who disagree with you?

The people calling for Biden to step down are doing so because they want a Democratic victory in November, and they are terrified that Biden can't bring that about. Now, many of us are concerned about the upheaval Biden's vacating his reelection bid could cause, that it might be even worse. That doesn't mean those on the other side are like Russian agents, or that they want a Trump victory, as another person claimed. Why is it that people can't tolerate disagreement without attributing evil motives to the other side? All this Democrats eating their own is unpleasant.

[Voltaire2]

26. It's basically how we've been conditioned to perceive

all political disagreements. Perhaps the internet has distorted online discourse into rhetorical warfare? Maybe it’s always been this way, but discourse was much more isolated with smaller audiences.

[iemanja]

27. It's unfortunate

and only makes it more difficult to solve problems and accomplish goals.

[Tommy Carcetti]

29. If you read my post carefully...

…you’d see I didn’t automatically assign evil motives (i.e. “good faith”)

But people acting in good faith can still be terribly wrong.

[iemanja]

30. You compared them to those wanting Ukraine to surrender to Russia

In other words, the enemy. That is not acting in good faith. The point of your post was to demonize Democrats who disagree with you.

[Tommy Carcetti]

31. Republicans and Russians are both adversaries in the metaphor

I’m not accusing anyone of wanting to help either Republicans or Russians, but I do think it’s entirely possible to act imprudently out of panic and fear which might ultimately result in an opposite result from what was intended.