Two more Dem Reps. (Jerry Nadler - NY and Adam Smith - WA) call on Biden to drop out

[LonePirate]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/07/election-2024-biden-campaign-updates-trump/

Twenty-four top Democrats leading House committees are meeting virtually with the top three House leaders at this hour.

While an overwhelming majority of members have expressed support for President Biden so far, two have been adamant about him needing to step aside, according to one person on the call, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private discussion.

Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), the ranking Democrat of the House Judiciary Committee, was the first to speak based on seniority and called on Biden to step aside. Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), the top Democrat on Armed Services, was blunt about how time is ticking for Biden to go.

The call is ongoing. Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), Minority Whip Katherine Clark (D-Mass.) and Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) are described as listening to members without making any remarks.

I think this now brings the total to 7 House Dems asking Biden not to run in November.

[rzemanfl]

1. This is a psyop. Fuck WaPo and their reporting.

[LisaL]

4. Yes, it is a PsyOP.

Overwhelming majority expressed support for Biden, but what title WaPo goes with?

[brooklynite]

5. If the Democratic leader on the Judiciary Committee says something like this, its going to get reported.

[LisaL]

7. Person leaking this to the press wishes to remain anonymous.

NT

[rzemanfl]

9. Is this a public call?

I will wait until I hear him say it before I decide it's true.

[LisaL]

11. I don't think so, somebody "anonymous" leaked this to the press.

NT

[Grins]

35. Why? Is what she reported false?

If so you have a point. If the truth live with it.

[LisaL]

49. We don't know for sure, do we?

This information is attributed to an anonymous leaker.

[Polybius]

67. Here, is this better?

NBC News

Four more Democrats in Congress call for Biden to step aside in the 2024 race

[LisaL]

2. Overwhelming majority expressed support for Biden.

So there.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

16. I wish we limited it to 1term for congressmen nt

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[Think. Again.]

27. Oh, wait!...

[BComplex]

3. All the Dems that are saying this are going to get serious phone calls from me tomorrow when

they're back in their offices. I'm sick of this short-sighted shit!!!!

[IzzaNuDay]

23. And flood their email boxes.

Making the President step down from the election without a plan is inane.
Meanwhile ignoring the fact they haven't given equal attention to getting Felon 45 off the GOP ballot.
This is an existential crisis if I haven't seen it before!

[Think. Again.]

28. Wait til they see their donation accounts.

[Raven123]

6. I think these posts aren't helpful

Not really news that some want Joe to step down. just a distraction from the real problem which is TFG and Project 2025

[anciano]

25. Agreed. 👍

Thank you.

[Think. Again.]

30. 🏆

Where are the posts of Congresspeople calling for trump to step down?

[orange jar]

8. Damn, Nadler now?

I'm actually surprised by him.

[Tumbulu]

29. If anyone can believe an anonymous report

I don’t!

[orange jar]

32. True.

But I would hope that he'd immediately denounce/deny any falsehoods spoken on his behalf by an anonymous source.

[Tumbulu]

65. Yes, and who would report it?

I heard Nancy Pelosi saying that she had no idea who all these anonymous sources claiming that she was saying similar stuff.

There is a shameful industry of sources going on and on and I am sick of it.

[Polybius]

69. He hasn't as of yet

It's probably true.

[Tumbulu]

71. why would you think that?

do you think he has all this time to track down every stupid story going around?

If it does not come from him or his office, it is not believable, in my book. Not the other way around.

[Polybius]

68. I do

He hasn't denounced it.

[Progressive dog]

10. If we lose this election

it won't be from too much loyalty to Joe.Biden. Do these people understand we won't get another chance to beat Trump. Pissing off 70 percent of Democrats is not a smart thing.

[LisaL]

12. I guess they don't.

WTF are they thinking?

[LonePirate]

15. I think your 70 per cent number is at least 20 points too high and might be as much as 30-40 points too high.

[LisaL]

19. You think wrong.

NT

[Think. Again.]

34. Nope.

Most Democrats Don't Want Biden To Leave The Race
Posted By Tim Hains, On July 6, 2024

"But look among Democrats, this is Joe Biden's base. This is why he is the president. They nominated him back in 2020. They nominated him again in 2024.

66% of Democrats say no, he should not leave the race."

Source: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/07/06/cnns_enten_most_democrats_dont_want_biden_to_leave_the_race.html

[Progressive dog]

37. Well that's not what the polls say

https://www.nj.com/news/2024/07/take-that-biden-doubters-race-even-tighter-in-swing-states-now-after-debate-new-poll-shows.html
So what we seem to have is a segment of voters moving towards Biden and a bunch of "Democrats" trying desperately to convince them not to.
Maybe, in the end, the doom-selling media and doubters in the Democratic party will be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time. Turns out, Democrats and voters in swing states are still ridin’ with Biden.

President Joe Biden registered his best showing yet in a Bloomberg News/Morning Consult tracking poll of battleground states, even as voters and the media offered criticisms of his debate performance against Republican presidential opponent Donald Trump.

Trump led Democrat Biden, 47% to 45%, in the critical states needed to win the November election — which represents the smallest gap since the poll began last October.

According to Bloomberg: Biden now leads Trump in Michigan and Wisconsin. He’s within the poll’s statistical margin of error in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina, and is farthest behind in the critical state of Pennsylvania, where he’s from.
https://www.nj.com/news/2024/07/take-that-biden-doubters-race-even-tighter-in-swing-states-now-after-debate-new-poll-shows.html
There is NO data to support this attack on Biden who will remain our parties nominee unless a handful continue to ally themselves with Trump. The media coverage will stop when "Democrats" stop trying to overturn the votes and desires of the majority of Democrats.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

18. If we could have more discussion of why there is no need to be pissed, we might do better at getting the vote out. nt

[Progressive dog]

44. How can you have a discussion with those

who don't even seem to care about the harm they are causing by attacking the mental fitness of our President who is running for re-election after winning the primaries.

[Peacetrain]

13. And for what reason?? the optics don't look good?

weak as water

[LisaL]

14. No spine.

NT

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

20. These are elected Democrats you are calling spinless. nt

[Butterflylady]

22. Like old time saying...

If the shoe fits, wear it. They need to stop and focus on project 2025.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

51. Are we not to avoid bashing Dems ? nt

[Cha]

17. And We have Jasmine Crockett & Gov Hochul FOR Pres Biden! Who do I care

about more?.. that's right.

[brooklynite]

21. Per Punchbowl, two additional Democrats on House Caucus call say Biden should step aside

Link to tweet

[jpug]

24. Light weights. don't change ne thing

Until the heavy weights chime in its just rumor.

[wryter2000]

47. Welcome to DU

[lapucelle]

33. ...

Link to tweet

[Elessar Zappa]

26. I don't care if every congressman, Senator, and Democratic insider calls for him to resign.

It’s his choice, he says he’s staying in the race, and we should support his decision.

[Patton French]

31. Nadler??

[bdamomma]

42. What the hell is

wrong with him????

[Patton French]

45. It's truly unfortunate. NT

[Utley]

36. so much for a united front

why go public with the bitching? Just to get in the news?

some allies

[wryter2000]

41. Welcome to DU

[Utley]

48. thank you

I really joined at an odd time, had an account here a billion gadzillion years ago but forgot my username. Joined again to try to figure out what the hell is going on.

[bdamomma]

38. Putin's wet dream

and goal divide and conquer, bastard that he is.

[TexasBushwhacker]

39. Why isn't the headline "an overwhelming majority of members have expressed support for President Biden"?

Because that seems more important than the opinion of 2 representatives out of 213 Democrats in the house.

[wryter2000]

40. Just when one thinks this shit is dying down

More people have to pile on. They're constituents need to hear from them.

[bigtree]

43. I like Nadler, but he's no spring chicken. He's 78

...it's not going to happen so he and his anti-Biden friend can go kick rocks.

2021:

Retirement talk growing around Rep. Jerry Nadler

“People are wondering when he would decide to retire,” said one associate, who noted that Democrats could lose control of the House of Representatives next year, with Nadler facing a prolonged future in the minority.

“He has a fighting spirit but maybe now is the time to exit,” the insider added.

Though the 74-year-old has long been a vigorous and vocal legislator, some say age and ill health have finally caught up with him. Two people who saw him recently said he could barely walk.

In 2019 the Congressman nearly collapsed at a Manhattan press conference and had to be rushed to a hospital. He famously underwent gastric bypass surgery in 2002 and was once so obese he couldn’t use the subway.

[Hope22]

56. Exactly..

Nadler is on thin ice throwing boulders!

[Deek1935]

46. FFS! Spineless bed-wetting assholes!! Enough of this fucking SHIT!

[Silent Type]

55. Nah, these are good Democrats and all your cursing and name calling won't change that.

[Emile]

50. They should co author a book on how to LOSE an election.

[berniesandersmittens]

52. And just how do they propose doing it?

Who do they want to replace him?
How are they going to get the new candidate on every state ballot?


WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING?

[regnaD kciN]

53. General rule for us here in Washington state...

…if Adam Smith says it, it’s probably wrong.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

54. What's conveniently missing from every elected official's statement calling for Biden to dropout.

Link to tweet

[LonePirate]

58. They have no case as the nominee from the convention, not the primaries, is placed on the ballot.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

66. You are wrong

This thread discusses the planned litigation
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219114429
See
This plot is being widely discussed in part because the GOP/Heritage assholes have the law on their side

Link to tweet

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/heritage-foundation-biden-replace-1235053325/

In a June 21 memo, the Heritage Foundation astutely predicted that Democrats might wish to force out Biden “if he freezes at [the] debate.” Noting that “the mechanisms for replacing him on ballots vary by state,” the memo says: “There is the potential for pre-election litigation in some states that would make the process difficult and perhaps unsuccessful.”.....

A senior source involved with Donald Trump’s 2024 effort to win the presidency and another person working with the Heritage-based Project 2025 (the conservative policy agenda project) tell Rolling Stone that the point of these legal attack plans and potential blitz of challenges isn’t necessarily to win.

A key point, the sources say, would be to weigh down the Democratic nominee, the national party, and their legal and political allies in as many unique court battles and sideshows as possible — so that the Democratic Party would have to waste resources and time on those matters when liberals would want to be laser-focused on, say, the battleground states that will likely decide whether Trump returns to power.

“Team Biden — or Team whoever — is going to be getting hit on all sides between now and Election Day,” the first source says. “Every legal and political weapon is on the table.” Still, the sources add, they do generally feel more confident in their legal theories than in the past, since Trump stacked the judiciary with right-wing jurists.....

Howell continues: “I don’t think anybody, myself included, can say how this will shake out because it is all so time-dependent and fact-dependent on what happens between now and the [Democratic] convention.” However, he says, “there are options for litigation and plenty of legal opportunities for us if an improper switcheroo were to occur … In the aggregate, the legal skeptics are incorrect that there would likely be some sort of seamless switcheroo that would happen without legal challenges.”

“We are standing ready to sue in the event a switch is done improperly,” he adds. “If they do it properly, we won’t sue. But if certain election integrity issues are at play, we will be very active.”

[Freethinker65]

57. Only thing I can see as a positive is that it makes Biden more independent.

Biden can now say, that he obviously is not the choice of some of the extremes in his party, and that is fine with him. All voices need to be heard in a democracy. They are entitled to their opinions, and while he hopes to have their backing again eventually, he respects their decision. Biden can run with the moderate label and claim both Democratic backers and Republican backers (Cheney, Kinzinger, etc.) which makes him more palatable to independents and even some Republicans.

I am a liberal that doesn't really care what Michael Moore and Rob Reiner think should happen. While a united party is preferable, one that feels so threatened by their leader that there can never be any disagreement or criticism (the current Republican Party) is not something to aspire to.

[crickets]

59. Two more to add to the list of reps to call tomorrow.

It's pushback time. The voters have spoken, and there are some people who need to be reminded of that.

[Hope22]

60. These fools put Biden in the cart....

And We have financed, supported, carried him for 18 months and now they say we have the wrong fool in the cart. This is simply emotional abuse for Dems who have been invested in the party and the country. If a thought could make me vomit it would be starting over. Biden / Harris all the way!

[stonecutter357]

61. cool story bro !

[senseandsensibility]

62. Nadler?

I am kind of shocked at that one.

[highplainsdem]

63. Very foolish of them.

[Renew Deal]

72. Nadler is a bid deal

That's the biggest elected name that I've seen.

[peggysue2]

73. Unfortunate

But they're on the wrong side of history. Shame on them!