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Peacetrain

(23,710 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 08:47 AM Jul 2024

What the hell is wrong with you people, are you purposely trying to set us up to lose this election

My final Biden/Punditry/Pols/ op for a while

Dear Punditry and Pols

Kamala Harris is VP and you want to replace the President because of optics..

What kind of crazy phone tag are you playing with one another.. Are you saying to one another "we can do this or we can do that.. we get someone young in there.. yeah that's the ticket'.. VP Harris has really got the experience now?.. Just switch them out.. oh you might get a few upset people but they will get over it?.".

What are you trying to do.. Blow up our VP as well as our President?. VP Harris is going to make a great President in 2028 and we have the grace from God to have her in office now in case some actually did happen to our elected President.

No one is promised tomorrow. any of us could have a health scare today and life would change.. that is true of every person on this planet.

Look at what a mess the republicans have. Trump blew his VP out.. they are stuck with someone who truly has cognitive as well as behavioral issues. And no one that we know of who is experienced to help if something did go wrong.





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What the hell is wrong with you people, are you purposely trying to set us up to lose this election (Original Post) Peacetrain Jul 2024 OP
Ageism will be the death of us all. Tomorrow IS promised to NO ONE and there is simply not one predictable hlthe2b Jul 2024 #1
' Amid allegations of Biden's decline, no one can point to anything he's done wrong as a consequence of aging' emulatorloo Jul 2024 #9
Yup... bottom line... hlthe2b Jul 2024 #10
Heck, I lived through Reagan and I couldn't help seeing calimary Jul 2024 #32
Nothing good will result from leap frogging over RubyRose Jul 2024 #2
I'm sensing some different foundations. bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #3
"SCOTUS is showing flexibility".... hlthe2b Jul 2024 #6
didnt his mom live to b almost 100? sharp til the end? mopinko Jul 2024 #4
Replace Biden people has no plans expect DemocracyWorks Jul 2024 #5
It's the 3rd "Fear Trump" campaign, and indeed they ARE afraid. Model35mech Jul 2024 #7
American voters just don't do landslides anymore. That is unrealistic of Schiff. emulatorloo Jul 2024 #8
I was Kristen Welker who first used overwhelming yorkster Jul 2024 #11
Adding correction from DUer thesquander who pointed out in another post yorkster Jul 2024 #28
Win overwhelmingly so that the MAGA SC has no chance of overturning it padah513 Jul 2024 #14
However you want to frame it, is ok with me... I suggest it's about fear down ticket Model35mech Jul 2024 #17
It is about fear among all of us. Trust_Reality Jul 2024 #30
The old lying felon should drop out. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #12
Agree karin_sj Jul 2024 #13
Damn straight 3auld6phart Jul 2024 #15
Not to mention, the gods forbid, something happens to Joe in the next couple of years. SHES RIGHT THERE!!! Cheezoholic Jul 2024 #16
It is way to late to be switching candidates now IronLionZion Jul 2024 #18
I was a 7 year old kid the last time Democrats switched Presidential nominees meow2u3 Jul 2024 #25
Republicans should force out Trump because he's like Nixon on steroids IronLionZion Jul 2024 #33
You can bet that elected Democrats are more in touch with the situation than us oldmanlynn Jul 2024 #19
K n R Emile Jul 2024 #20
Yeap!!! This, in my opinion, has been one of the achiles heel of the Democratic party, they hit on their own Escurumbele Jul 2024 #21
I am all-in on Biden - Harris 2024... Moostache Jul 2024 #22
I agree with your point about Project 2025. llmart Jul 2024 #29
There are only choices in this election dlk Jul 2024 #23
Aye LuvLoogie Jul 2024 #24
It starting to seem to me SomedayKindaLove Jul 2024 #26
A lot of these people are looking at situations slightlv Jul 2024 #27
Some thoughts. 1) with the letter today from President Biden the 'graceful exit' option is off the table. kelly1mm Jul 2024 #31
A lot of traitors are coming out manicdem Jul 2024 #34
That's reality as I see it, too Progressive dog Jul 2024 #35

hlthe2b

(107,642 posts)
1. Ageism will be the death of us all. Tomorrow IS promised to NO ONE and there is simply not one predictable
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 08:54 AM
Jul 2024

trajectory for changes with age--any more than we can predict a young person's mental and physical capabilities based solely on their age

And to ignore Biden's track record, documented positions, and vision... is unbelievable.

I have tremendous disdain for most of the reporters and pundits right now and am only satisfied to think that THEIR TIME IS COMING. Ditto some of the opportunistic politicians--even from the LEFT.

emulatorloo

(45,728 posts)
9. ' Amid allegations of Biden's decline, no one can point to anything he's done wrong as a consequence of aging'
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 09:28 AM
Jul 2024

I’ve posted this a few times, but it is a bottom line truth.

Amid allegations of Biden’s decline, no one can point to anything he’s done wrong as a consequence of aging
Ageism doesn’t require proof.

https://www.editorialboard.com/amid-allegations-of-bidens-decline-no-one-can-point-to-anything-hes-done-wrong-as-a-consequence-of-aging/

If there’s one word that can describe the Biden administration all the way up to last week’s “disastrous debate,” it’s orderly – public servants running the federal government according to the law and Biden’s preferred policies. If, on the basis of that “disastrous debate,” you no longer think Biden can be president, you must reckon with the fact that he has been the president. If you think he’s been showing signs of mental decline for months, you must reckon with the fact that no one can point to a single mistake he’s made during all that time.

And because no one can point to a serious, consequential, unforced error that is the result of his alleged mental deterioration, we must conclude something that’s distasteful to conclude. Maybe the “disastrous debate” says more about us than it does about Biden. It showed us something none of us has seen before, a president aging in public view. And our reaction to it showed us something else – that it doesn’t matter how accomplished you are, how good you are, how decent you are, how deserving you are – if you’re old, you’re done.

Now’s the time to answer

Ageism seems to be the root of most of the reaction to the president’s performance. Normal aging, like losing your train of thought, can’t and won’t be tolerated. (If Biden shows several mental lapses, or even just one, it’s over.) Because discrimination against the old is so common, and because weakness, which is associated with age, is so commonly despised in politics, most of the reaction seemed rather reasonable.

And because most of the reaction seemed rather reasonable, a lot of liberals and Democrats lost their nerve. We let the Times editorial board and its columnists, including liberals, undermine our confidence in ourselves. And we let it happen, in part, because we did not fully appreciate the ageist lens through which we watched the debate.

Liberals and Democrats spent more time talking about what other people think of Biden and not enough time talking about what we think. That allowed rather reasonable arguments rooted in ageism to go unanswered. But that was then. Now’s the time to answer them.

calimary

(85,100 posts)
32. Heck, I lived through Reagan and I couldn't help seeing
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 12:18 PM
Jul 2024

mental deterioration on two legs.

Mr. “Mommy, does that have something to do with me?” - when he was presented with a cake or some other ceremonial gift that was made to resemble the White House. I never liked or trusted him. I remember reading that and thinking “HAH. I was right about him.”

My computer always corrects for a capital “R” when I write his name in lower-case.

bucolic_frolic

(48,412 posts)
3. I'm sensing some different foundations.
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 08:59 AM
Jul 2024

Trump trolled Biden for weeks about dementia as Trump displayed dementia daily.

Trump was in court for over a month and is convicted of 34 felonies.

Now Democrats are discussing replacing the top of the ticket. That idea will rebound on Trump, soon I suspect.

SCOTUS is showing flexibility. So are some small minority of Democrats.

And by the way, there are inflexible numbers in the public's head. 34 felonies, and Project 2025. 34 and 2025, or 25. A constant reminder, that's what numbers do, they fix your mind. They echo.

So I'm not particularly worried. We're playing the hand we are dealt.

hlthe2b

(107,642 posts)
6. "SCOTUS is showing flexibility"....
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 09:08 AM
Jul 2024

WTF? What planet are you on right now? Here on earth, SCOTUS is single-handedly enabling Trump's authoritarian next term if we do not manage to stop him. You can't really mean that?

mopinko

(72,150 posts)
4. didnt his mom live to b almost 100? sharp til the end?
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 09:00 AM
Jul 2024

meanwhile….

beyond harris, let’s remember he has the greatest cabinet i’ve ever seen. if he rly did start to slip, which he hasnt, they cd run things just fine.

DemocracyWorks

(82 posts)
5. Replace Biden people has no plans expect
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 09:02 AM
Jul 2024

to just trash Biden and force him out of the race. They just like it cause it sounds good on twitter.

 

Model35mech

(2,047 posts)
7. It's the 3rd "Fear Trump" campaign, and indeed they ARE afraid.
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 09:11 AM
Jul 2024

Being bombarded with all the dangers of Trump, MAGA fascism, SCOTUS secular authoritarianism has done its work.

Politicians are afraid. Mostly importantly, they are afraid they can't win their elections on their own.

So, as Schiff said yesterday on tv, Biden needs to win in a landslide, so huge that it will carry all the pols down ticket. Running within the margin of error just doesn't assuage the anxiety.

And the media producers are, as always, just selling advertising. And using fear to do that. By our human nature FEAR grabs our attention. And it is attention that directs ad dollars to the media.





emulatorloo

(45,728 posts)
8. American voters just don't do landslides anymore. That is unrealistic of Schiff.
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 09:20 AM
Jul 2024

The last landslide I know of was 1984, Reagan over Mondale.

Have no clue what Schiff was thinking when he said that, the political climate (and media climate w propaganda outlets like Fox and Newsmax) now is that Presidential elections are close.

yorkster

(2,667 posts)
11. I was Kristen Welker who first used overwhelming
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 09:35 AM
Jul 2024

in her Schiff interview, first re Biden, then re Harris. should Biden step down.
And, very unfortunately, Schiff went along with her terminology. No pushback. No one had previously talked about this election using terms like winning overwhelmingly or by a landslide.
Not pleased with Schiff. He could have easily countered.

yorkster

(2,667 posts)
28. Adding correction from DUer thesquander who pointed out in another post
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 11:49 AM
Jul 2024

that Schiff had used the term overwhelmingly In a previous tv appearance and Kristen Welker played that before she asked her questions of Schiff on Meet the Press.
That portion of MTP wasn't shown on the clip I saw later on MSNBC.

 

Model35mech

(2,047 posts)
17. However you want to frame it, is ok with me... I suggest it's about fear down ticket
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 10:38 AM
Jul 2024

The folks wanting to dump Biden mostly -need- Biden to win by a landslide so that their anxiety about down ticket candidates not being carried by enormous strength at the top of the ticket dissipates.

Trust_Reality

(1,986 posts)
30. It is about fear among all of us.
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 12:01 PM
Jul 2024

I lack appreciation for politics, but I'm pretty sure Democrats need to be at their best in this time. For me this means thoughtful and courteous.

karin_sj

(1,153 posts)
13. Agree
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 10:19 AM
Jul 2024

I have been disappointed in so many people that I previously really admired. But so many have stayed strong. I just hope that the Democrats will unite behind Biden when they see, without a doubt, that is what the majority of we voters want.

Cheezoholic

(2,690 posts)
16. Not to mention, the gods forbid, something happens to Joe in the next couple of years. SHES RIGHT THERE!!!
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 10:37 AM
Jul 2024

And if something so unfortunate were to happen we could possibly have more than 8 YEARS OF THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT!!!

It's a win win for a Biden/Harris ticket hands down.

IronLionZion

(47,397 posts)
18. It is way to late to be switching candidates now
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 10:42 AM
Jul 2024

especially when the other side has a convicted felon who hasn't selected a VP yet. Maybe nobody wants to be Trump's VP. We can beat that POS if we are unified.

meow2u3

(25,002 posts)
25. I was a 7 year old kid the last time Democrats switched Presidential nominees
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 11:27 AM
Jul 2024

Nixon's dirty tricksters hounded LBJ out of the race just before the Democratic National Convention, ultimately choosing Hubert Humphrey as a replacement for Johnson, who dropped--or was pushed--out of the race. The Vietnam War was the excuse and Nixon cruised to victory.

Biden is right to stay the course and resist pressure to drop out of the race just because the media is hounding him with rumors and harassment about his age. But what about Trump's age? Biden's old enough to be Trump's brother, not his grandfather. And I know why the conservative press is harassing Biden: to get him out of the way so Trump can waltz into the White House effectively unopposed, simply because Trump--the darling of the press--can't beat Biden.

IronLionZion

(47,397 posts)
33. Republicans should force out Trump because he's like Nixon on steroids
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 01:03 PM
Jul 2024

Twice impeached Trump probably won't be persuaded to resign like they did with Nixon.

oldmanlynn

(564 posts)
19. You can bet that elected Democrats are more in touch with the situation than us
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 10:49 AM
Jul 2024

They are all trying to make sure with save the democracy.

Everyone needs to be on the same page

Escurumbele

(3,703 posts)
21. Yeap!!! This, in my opinion, has been one of the achiles heel of the Democratic party, they hit on their own
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 10:52 AM
Jul 2024

to try look "fair, just, independent, non-follower, blah, blah, blah", and there are so many examples of it, that is how they got rid of Al Franken, and now they want to do it to Biden.

Can they just for once shut the f&(* up? You hear them talking about the danger that a trump presidency would be, and then they turn around to boycott the presidency of a great President such as Biden's.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Moostache

(10,239 posts)
22. I am all-in on Biden - Harris 2024...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 11:01 AM
Jul 2024

1) Joe Biden is the ONLY politician in the last 10 years to beat Donald Trump (well, second by popular vote, but he WON and took the office).

2) Joe Biden is 81 years old and Trump is 78. Neither is on the underside of the actuarial tables any longer. HOWEVER - the people behind each administration are LIGHT-YEARS apart in compassion, capability and empathy for the people. Its not even close - START RUNNING "PROJECT 2025" snippets EVERY SECOND OF EVERY DAY...THAT is what we're running against, not the clown who wants to be in office to make his legal woes blow away.

3) Did we learn NOTHING from 1980? Did kneecapping President Carter help us beat Reagan? Did it do ANY GOOD for anyone not in the GOP donor base? Will kneecapping President Biden help us stave off totalitarianism now? The answer to all of these questions is a resounding "HELL NO IT WON'T!!!!"

Joe Biden is the president seeking re-election. Kamala Harris is the sitting Vice-President who needs to be on the stump every day from now to the election both touting her grasp of the administration's policies and its goals to roll back the fascist gains of the popular press's horse race coverage crews...

Biden-Harris 2024.

There IS NO ALTERNATIVE that wins for us. Period.

llmart

(16,332 posts)
29. I agree with your point about Project 2025.
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 11:57 AM
Jul 2024

We have to get that out there so everyone is familiar with what they are planning. As of now, even I'm not as up to speed as I should be. I highly doubt the general voting public, especially the older ones not on social media, is even aware of what Project 2025 is. Dems have to get out there and inform the public in plain English (please, no PhD dissertation type explanation) so people know what is at stake here if they vote GOP.

dlk

(12,540 posts)
23. There are only choices in this election
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 11:03 AM
Jul 2024

More Americans need to enlighten themselves and read about Project 2025 before they continue their “Joe is too old” whining.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,108 posts)
26. It starting to seem to me
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 11:45 AM
Jul 2024

Despite all the chatter, Biden is actually rather strongly rallying people behind him like never before.

slightlv

(4,701 posts)
27. A lot of these people are looking at situations
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 11:46 AM
Jul 2024

only with the eyes of youth (whether they are or are not actually young, themselves). You're right... tomorrow isn't promised to anyone. Not only that, but the health of today isn't promised to be there for anyone tomorrow. I had that slammed into me 30 years ago. And I think too many are looking at Joe through the images of their parents - most of whom haven't had the great immediate health care that Senators, VP's and Presidents have access to (dangling participle, I know). This conversation should come to an immediate close and everyone should rally behind our President and VP. Either that, or get ready for Project 2025, cause it's coming if democrats don't stop being in "disarray!" It's all propaganda being spoon fed to us. Recognize it for what it is, especially since the donald seems to be doing his sleepy time right now, so that all attention is on "old Joe"...!

kelly1mm

(5,563 posts)
31. Some thoughts. 1) with the letter today from President Biden the 'graceful exit' option is off the table.
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 12:01 PM
Jul 2024

2) There is no practical way for President Biden to be off the ticket other than the President deciding not to run and if he does so now, after releasing the letter, it will be widely regarded as the powers that be/big money class that that forced him out, and rightly so.
3) There has been damage done to the President's re-election campaign due to the fallout from an admittedly bad debate night, and I would argue the 'containment' put forward by the WH and the campaign. The President is ultimately responsible for that. However, the chattering class and some D lawmakers are extending and expanding this damage. I am not saying this damage is fatal. But in an already hard re-election fight this is something we do not need.
4) President Trump and Rs are staying (amazingly) quiet as an adage of politics is when your opponent's team is ripping itself apart, don't interrupt. 10 or so days and hardly a peep .......
5) Since the letter of today, the only viable option I see going forward is to be 'Riden' with Biden!'. Perhaps those calling for President Biden to 'gracefully exit' could have made the case that would not have damaged democrats chances to win in November. That is no longer an option. None of that is to say President Biden should have withdrawn, just gaming out the possible outcomes.

manicdem

(515 posts)
34. A lot of traitors are coming out
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 01:45 PM
Jul 2024

It's shameful and makes us look bad along with putting a lot of undue pressure on Biden.

ANYONE not for Biden is a traitor and enemy of the party.

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