Times editor says he won't defend democracy.

[onecaliberal]

In case anyone is wondering why the New York Times has been behaving the way it has, its editor said on record that he sees democracy as a partisan issue and will not be defending it. Also said The Times is poll driven and will cover issues based on those poll results.

https://presswatchers.org/2024/05/new-york-times-editor-joe-kahn-says-defending-democracy-is-a-partisan-act-and-he-wont-do-it/

[Deuxcents]

1. "democracy as a partisan issue"? Someone please explain that to me

[yardwork]

13. Pure nihilism. He's saying he's only interested in money.

He doesn't care if the U.S. is a democracy or a totalitarian dictatorship. He doesn't think it's up to his paper to "take a position." Their job is to sell papers and ads, period.

So, clearly, a Trump presidency or dictatorship or whatever is going to be more lucrative to the NYT than boring old Joe Biden saving democracy.

Therefore, their credibility is shot. They're not reporting news. They're pushing for Trump.

[NotHardly]

17. Just this ... "their credibility is shot. They're not reporting news. They're pushing for Trump."

... based on "their" polls ... yeah, I'm so sure their polls are legit /s

[BComplex]

35. Polls aren't getting the people who are going to determine the election.

I can't believe any of the polls. Trump has NOT won any "new" voters to his side en masse. Maybe one or two here or there whose brains have suddenly been fried, but after all he's done in the world, a great many of the people who voted for him in 2020 are not so inclined this time. He lost by, what? 7 million votes last time? And now he has even fewer people pulling for him?

If he wins this election it will be totally due to dirty tricks on the part of him, the supreme court, Chris LaCivita and the neo-nazis. Not "polling" being true.

[sop]

44. The opposite of democracy is dictatorship, a form of government in which a ruler or small clique wield

absolute power, unrestricted by a constitution or laws. The Times views democracies and dictatorships as simply two political parties, like Democrats and Republicans, in constant conflict with one another for control of the country. And the Times, being impartial journalists, isn't taking sides.

[StarryNite]

2. Well that explains a lot.

[yardwork]

14. It sure does.

[sakabatou]

3. So he's against the freedom of the press?

[yardwork]

15. Doesn't really believe anything bad would happen to him.

We have a group of wealthy elites in this country who don't give a damn about anybody but themselves. They don't realize how protected they are by our system. They think they'll always be protected and privileged. If a totalitarian regime replaces our constitution they'll be sorry - except the ones who survive by colluding - but it will be too late.

[Turbineguy]

4. He can move to Russia.

[Lovie777]

28. and stay away from tall buildings with windows...........................

[et tu]

43. or not- nt

[japple]

46. Maybe there's an opening at Pravda

[Bristlecone]

5. Talk about digging your own grave

The failing NYT indeed

[peggysue2]

6. Democracy is a partisan issue????

Good thing our troops didn't take that stance on D-Day!

WTF is the NYT's talking about other than announcing to the American public that our democratic experiment is NOT worth defending, that our nearly 250-year old Republic will go unprotected by the esteemed members of the NYT's editorial board because polls are the only thing that matter.
And this is suppose to be the 'balanced' approach?

If the fascists were to win, I hope Joe Kahn is ready to walk the plank because that's the future of anyone attached to the media: Be total lapdogs to Herr Trump and his flying monkeys or watch your career and life crater.

Disgusting, unAmerican and beyond vile!

[Oneironaut]

22. It's actually batshit insane, isn't it?

“We don’t take a side. It would be unfair to either candidate to be pro-Democracy.”

Like, fucking what!? It’s such a delusional, spineless, cowardly take.

[Historic NY]

7. WTF is he in the newspaper business taking advantage of Freedon of the Press.

He can go to hell along with the bird cage liner he produces.

[tavernier]

58. Nice!

You have a way with words.

[MOMFUDSKI]

8. Fuck the Times.

Twice.

[HAB911]

9. "I only regret that I had but one subscription to cancel for my country."

[bluesbassman]

10. The NYT operates by virtue of the Constitutionally guaranteed First Amendment.

Democracy is what underpins that document, not partisanship, numbnuts.

[Cha]

67. Mahalo!

[GaYellowDawg]

11. They're going to need a new motto.

Maybe they can team up with the Washington Post.

Washington Post: "Democracy dies in darkness."
New York Times: "Who needs light, really?"

Or maybe:
"All the print not fit to be news."

[Seinan Sensei]

24. "All the fits that are news to print"

[GaYellowDawg]

69. LOL, that's genius

I like yours the best!

[eppur_se_muova]

12. For the good of the country, NYT editor Joe Kahn should step down. nt

[BootinUp]

16. New Pravda says what?

[Oneironaut]

18. That's absolutely fucking delusional. Imagine having the same attitude toward Hitler?

“Oh, we need to remain impartial. It’s our duty as journalists! Here’s why Hitler isn’t a bad guy after all!”

Good lord is this fucking stupid.

[Dem4life1234]

19. What a tool!

So are they trying to cater to the right? Most of those fuckers can't even read.


That's how I know it is all about their powers that be trying to get tax breaks, they want a Rethuglican in power.

Dumbasses don't know, these aren't your garden variety Rethuglicans, they want fascism and fascists target journalists.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

73. Meanwhile...

This comment (below) & others like it show you simply cannot reason with RWers:

So much crying about a left wing supporting rag attempting to at least appear to be balanced shows your true stripes. We don’t need all of the so called elite journalists or observers of same to tell the masses what it’s all about

.

[colorado_ufo]

20. NYT, RIP.

I always thought it was one of the marks of high journalism to work for "The Gray Lady," the paper of record, etc. I just found out that even at my age, I can still become disillusioned.

[calimary]

33. Having been in the news biz, I know how you feel, my friend.

The "Gray Lady" has aged out.

[Cha]

66. I wish.

[spanone]

21. Democracy Dies at the NYTimes

[NoMoreRepugs]

23. Read the entire article - this country of ours is in REAL trouble unless people stand up and say NO.

[Lemon Lyman]

25. F*ck This F*ck!

I can't wait until they get the leverage buyout treatment and lose everything. I hope whichever good journalists remain end up joining a new paper of record. Prolly wishful thinking, but I hope there's a good future in honest to god journalism. I hope some good new papers/stations/etc... rise from the ashes of this ridiculous timeline in which we're living.

[Wednesdays]

72. F*ck This F*ck That...

[BoRaGard]

26. Times has surrendered its cred

[perdita9]

29. Is democracy an issue when reporters are jailed?

Joe Kahn sounds like an idiot. I feel sorry for anyone who's working under him.

[Lovie777]

30. He needs to resign...........................

Communism is not our way.

[Silent Type]

31. I suspect most subscribers to NYT know what's at stake. Many don't care, but they know.

Heck, 91% of readers identify as Democrats.

91% of The New York Times readers identify as Democrats. (Pew Research Center)

As for political affiliation, more than 9 in 10 people who cite The New York Times as their go-to news source identify as Democrats. For comparison, only 7% say they’re Republicans, while the rest either identify as Independents or don’t have any political leanings.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/04/01/americans-main-sources-for-political-news-vary-by-party-and-age/

[Karma13612]

39. Thanks for sharing this!

But we might want to take it with a dash of Himalayan sea salt since it dates back nearly 5 years. On the other hand, I think these stats are still pretty reliable based on current leanings as far as I have experienced online.

[chowder66]

59. So if it's polls they are using then who the fuck are they polling? It can't be democrats.

[Silent Type]

61. I once believed it was impossible that people would vote for trump. After 2016 and a really close call in 2020, I

no longer think like that.

Why do you believe it can't be Democrats or a representative sample of Democrats?

[chowder66]

62. If 91% of readers are democrats how do they come up with polls on the crap they publish?

[Silent Type]

64. These polls aren't conducted like that. In the first place, they aren't polling their readers. They are polling a sample

across the USA, and if lucky they are also looking at the key states. It's ususally an outside polling agency that the Times, WaPo, Economist, etc. use.

I won't make things worse by posting the Economist "predictive model" dated 7/7/2024.

Personally, I trust the science more than my or another's gut feelings and biases.

[chowder66]

65. Thanks for clarifying. I need to slow down today.

[valleyrogue]

32. He is a mouthpiece for CEO Sulzberger

who is still butthurt over Biden not giving the NYT an interview.

[Wicked Blue]

34. So he's willing to allow almost 250 years of DEMOCRACY go down the toilet

because of his petty little snit about Biden's refusal to do a sit-down interview.

These oligarchs need to be reminded about what guillotines were used for.

[BComplex]

37. I don't do social media, but I really hope the young people hear about this stance on the part oftheNYT.

They need to see what state the NYT has come to.

[Bluethroughu]

38. Shut them down, no clicking and no reading their rag grade paper.

They are not the paper of the people.

[paulrevere2018]

40. New York Times - celebrating 100 years of carrying water for fascists.

https://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler

[ucrdem]

70. Scary.

They showed their true colors with that insane morning-after editorial which pretty much got the concern-about-Joe ball rolling.

[Goonch]

41. "Paint me like one of your French girls! "

New York Times executive editor Joe Kahn is mercilessly mocked for posing in his socks on the FLOOR next to newspaper for photoshoot to announce his new role​

[Warpy]

42. That's some tap dancing there, Grey Lady, "Democracy as a partisan issue."

Honestly, I didn't think she had it in her. Then again, the Wall Street honchos on the cocktail circuit she facors would demand it, "Dance to our tune, old Grey Lady, and we'll let you live."

The trouble is that with TFG's family owning the GOP, democracy has become a partisan issue this year. Either you vote for TFG or you vote for democracy, the choice is that stark.

The Grey Lady was never quick on the uptake. You all know I thought that paper was pure shite 50 years ago and the intervening years have not improved anything, not even with Pauyl Krugman as lipstick on the pig.

Wall Street knows full well their taxes will increase under a second Biden term as the TFG tax cuts expire. They're perfectly willing to accept dictatorship by a madman so they don't have to pay to support the country that made them rich.

[Think. Again.]

45. That's odd, I thought news organizations did journalism.

Poll driven?

So basically he's admitting the NYT is just an entertainment tabloid.

[Grabnar the Wanderer]

50. No

He has ceded the moral high ground to entertainment tabloids.

[Scruffy1]

47. It could be a good thing,

Maybe some will wake up and realize the corporate media is not your friend. The only thing they care about is maintaining their own
status. i would have thought the Iraq War charge led by the NYT would have woken some people up, but alas some think the NYT holds special place. Truth is journalism has always been a cesspool for "herding" and republishing fake stories. This has gone on for hundreds of years.

[Baitball Blogger]

48. How will he feel when the fascists prevail and they cancel the First Amendment?

[malthaussen]

49. "Democracy is partisan."

It says so in the New York Times, it must be true.

Actually, I suppose democracy is partisan, necessarily so since where there is no democracy, there are no parties.

But it's refreshing for the old Grey Lady to finally lay out plainly what we already knew. The Reich wing are really exposing themselves these days. This is good, it multiplies their points of vulnerability. But yeah, the mere scope of the task ahead is daunting.

-- Mal

[malthaussen]

51. I always preferred the Herald Tribune anyway. :) n/t

[malthaussen]

56. By the way, he said that back in May. n/t

[Evolve Dammit]

52. Un fucking believable. Paid in rubles??

[Kid Berwyn]

53. Guy's dad was super-de-duper rich.

So, it may be Kahn is partial toward super-de-duper rich ideas, like, "Money trumps peace."

[wolfie001]

54. The plain fact that they didn't fire 'Haggerman' when Fucker Carlson said she was a reliable asset

That would be more than enough reason to dump it.

[pwb]

55. I use to buy The Daily News.

I hope they get a bump up from this NYT over reach.

[LymphocyteLover]

57. great piece and it's truly disgusting to see what the NYTimes thinks about democracy

[Cha]

60. NYT is so GD Stupid.. and Yeah, We Already Knew.. I

HOpe all Democracy Loving People Cancel their Fascist ASS.

I Did in 2003 After they downplayed the Protest., The World Says No to War, In NYC on Feb 15, 2003.. I was there.

[onecaliberal]

63. Sadly this is not on the front page.....

[Blue Owl]

68. The NYT is a pro-Russian, Putin-serving rag

Fuck the NYT and the POS who runs it.

[Takket]

71. if drumpf does manage to get elected, i will wipe away my tears just long enough to laugh......

when he sends the NYT staff to Gitmo, right after he declares violating the 1A to be an official act, and pardons everyone involved.

it will be so richly deserved

then i will resume weeping for my country.

[Emile]

74. Wow, openly displaying hatred for our Democratic Republic.

Fucking traitor.