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rateyes

(17,460 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 03:52 PM Jul 2024

If Joe wants to guarantee a win in November

all he needs to do is get Louis DeJoy fired, and the mail moving on time again. Mailed a first class letter last Monday to the IRS office in Massachusetts from Georgia. Put tracking on it. The letter is still sitting in Atlanta.

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If Joe wants to guarantee a win in November (Original Post) rateyes Jul 2024 OP
First, he can't fire DeJoy even with new SC ruling. Second, mail balloting has worked perfectly in 2020, Silent Type Jul 2024 #1
Now that is honesty in an answering machine. soldierant Jul 2024 #22
That is technically true but misleading quakerboy Jul 2024 #25
If it a big thing take it to your Rep FHRRK Jul 2024 #30
The subprime court said... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #2
Just a short comment Progressive dog Jul 2024 #3
By any chance is this inability to track thngs like mail-in ballots... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #4
No, there is not any chance Progressive dog Jul 2024 #7
But were the machines that dejoy removed, dismantled, and trashed... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #8
Asking the same question again will not result in a different answer Progressive dog Jul 2024 #10
Are you okay? It might be me, but you don't seem to be making sense. Think. Again. Jul 2024 #11
Another comment Progressive dog Jul 2024 #13
Okay, I'll rephrase the only question I asked but did not get a clear answer to..., again... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #14
You had a clear answer, you apparently didn't understand it Progressive dog Jul 2024 #16
Thank you! It was worth the effort. Think. Again. Jul 2024 #17
Uh oh... It seems you're wrong about that.... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #18
Doesn't mention tracking, does it? Progressive dog Jul 2024 #20
The postal service itself answers that question on their website... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #26
Yes it does. Where in that does it say Progressive dog Jul 2024 #28
Nah, I didn't disagree with the letters thing... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #29
The truth is very important to me Progressive dog Jul 2024 #31
Well you're doing great! Just keep working at it! You'll get there! Think. Again. Jul 2024 #32
I've been voting by mail since Covid SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #9
Right Progressive dog Jul 2024 #12
I just paid for tracking. rateyes Jul 2024 #34
I paid money to put tracking on it. rateyes Jul 2024 #33
I just got a personal hand written letter from Kansas pwb Jul 2024 #5
Sounds familiar Rebl2 Jul 2024 #6
Every package from Amazon that has arrived late (or never) came from the USPS RainCaster Jul 2024 #15
We have noticed the degeneration of mail service since this creep was installed. We've also had mail stolen... NNadir Jul 2024 #19
Agreed, but don't the post board have to vote him out or can Joe just can his ass? 634-5789 Jul 2024 #21
And Republicans LIKE mail-in voting now all of a sudden. live love laugh Jul 2024 #23
I send my 1040es to Charlotte from Georgia** NGeorgian Jul 2024 #24
Okay, Joe cannot fire DeJoy... GiqueCee Jul 2024 #27
 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
1. First, he can't fire DeJoy even with new SC ruling. Second, mail balloting has worked perfectly in 2020,
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 03:59 PM
Jul 2024

and 2022.

I do get frustration. You think USPS is bad? I called the IRS 6 months ago, the answering machine said, "We can't answer your call now, we don't know when we can answer, and messages won't work."

quakerboy

(14,867 posts)
25. That is technically true but misleading
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 06:36 PM
Jul 2024

The president cant fire dejoy. The USPS board of governors can though. and biden has picked most of them, and for some reason has not chosen to replace additional trump appointees with their own

There are 9 board members. Only 5 can be dems. Right now there are 3-3-1, with the three dems and both independents picked by the biden administration. There two vacancies, following trump appointees who each stayed a full year past their appointed terms without being replaced.

Which is to say that if replacing Dejoy was a priority to this administration, presumably the majority of Bidens appointees would be able to act on that today. Or last year. And if not.. he could appoint 2 more democrats tomorrow, which would have biden appointees filling 6 of 9 seats, democrats filling 5 of 9. Able to act on the matter.

Either the administration is dropping the ball, or the PO is not a priority, or they actually favor Dejoy for some reason




FHRRK

(1,410 posts)
30. If it a big thing take it to your Rep
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 07:11 PM
Jul 2024

Mine took years and finally got settled.

Bad part was, got Jack shit from Katie Porters office when she was my Rep, did get solved when I got a different Rep, unfortunately a Repuke.

Partially a coincidence, but Porters office dropped me like a hot potato within days of the redistricting.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
2. The subprime court said...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:00 PM
Jul 2024

...he could have dejoy kidnapped and held against his will, would that work?

Progressive dog

(7,602 posts)
3. Just a short comment
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:15 PM
Jul 2024
No, USPS First-Class Mailing doesn’t provide a tracking feature for small-sized items like letters, postcards, and flats. Their machines handling these mailers cannot capture barcode information. It is the standard USPS mailing option ideal for sending these mailers. Millions of individuals use this service for its affordability. Managing and keeping tabs on thousands of mailpieces is hard for USPS.
No one has ever told me that first class letters can be tracked.
https://www.postgrid.com/does-usps-first-class-mail-have-tracking/
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
4. By any chance is this inability to track thngs like mail-in ballots...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:26 PM
Jul 2024

...due to the tens of thousands of postal service machines dejoy had dismantled, trashed, and not replaced?

Progressive dog

(7,602 posts)
7. No, there is not any chance
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:35 PM
Jul 2024

The postal service machines are not capable of reading bar codes and so cannot track first class mail. Read the information at the link in my post.
If you've ever mailed first class letters, have you wondered why they didn't give you a link to track it?

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
8. But were the machines that dejoy removed, dismantled, and trashed...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:39 PM
Jul 2024

...capable of reading barcodes?

Progressive dog

(7,602 posts)
10. Asking the same question again will not result in a different answer
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:46 PM
Jul 2024

If you have ever mailed a letter at the PO because you didn't have a stamp, you would know the answer to your question. You obviously have access to the internet so just look it up yourself. BTW The original OP was obviously false since the machines you posit as having been destroyed no longer exist.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
14. Okay, I'll rephrase the only question I asked but did not get a clear answer to..., again...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 05:07 PM
Jul 2024

We know that dejoy trashed millions of dollars of working machinary without replacing them.

And we know the postal service is stating that the postal service "doesn’t provide a tracking feature for small-sized items like letters, postcards, and flats" (those items would include mail-in ballots) and that for some reason "Their machines handling these mailers cannot capture barcode information".

My question is....

Were the machnes that dejoy discarded capable of handling those small-sized items with a tracking feature using barcode information?

Possible answers might include:

1) No, those discarded machines did not handle those small items.
2) No, those discarded machnes did not have barcode capabilities to track.
3) Yes, those discarded machines used to handle those small items with barcode capabilities to track.

Progressive dog

(7,602 posts)
16. You had a clear answer, you apparently didn't understand it
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jul 2024

The answer is number 2 as 2) No, those discarded machnes did not have barcode capabilities to track.
and the answer is available online too.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
18. Uh oh... It seems you're wrong about that....
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 05:37 PM
Jul 2024

I'll just excerpt and give ya a link..

The machines USPS is removing from distribution centers can sort more than 36,000 pieces of mail per hour. Here's how they work.
Mary Meisenzahl Aug 15, 2020, 8:03 AM EDT
Source: Business Insider https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-mail-sorting-machines-how-they-work-in-photos-2020-8?op=1

The United States Postal Service has been deactivating mail-sorting machines around the US ahead of the surge expected from mail-in voting this fall, reports say.

Each machine can sort up to 36,000 pieces of mail per hour.

The machines sort letters, postcards, and other mail by bar code.

Full story at https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-mail-sorting-machines-how-they-work-in-photos-2020-8?op=1


Progressive dog

(7,602 posts)
20. Doesn't mention tracking, does it?
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 05:46 PM
Jul 2024

Doesn't say they were all letter capable machines, does it?
Doesn't say they were somehow different from the machines they kept, does it?
Tracking Your First-Class Mail Delivery

Tracking your First-Class Mail delivery can help you stay informed on when your mail is expected to arrive, and can give you peace of mind knowing that your package or letter has been delivered. USPS offers several tracking options, including online tracking and text or email alerts.

It is important to note that not all First-Class Mail is eligible for tracking. For example, letters and postcards sent at the standard First-Class Mail rate cannot be tracked. However, packages and larger envelopes sent at the First-Class Mail rate are eligible for tracking. Additionally, USPS offers services such as Certified Mail and Registered Mail, which provide additional tracking and security features for important or valuable mail.
Of course the Post Office must have forgotten how their machines work>
https://www.shipscience.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-usps-first-class-mail

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
26. The postal service itself answers that question on their website...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 06:37 PM
Jul 2024

And the answer seems to differ from your assertion that USPS can't track first class letters and flats...

The Intelligent Mail barcode is a 65-bar Postal Service™ barcode used to sort and track letters and flats. It allows mailers to use a single barcode to participate in multiple Postal Service programs simultaneously, expands mailers' ability to track individual mailpieces, and provides greater mail stream visibility.


Source: https://postalpro.usps.com/mailing/intelligent-mail-barcode

Progressive dog

(7,602 posts)
28. Yes it does. Where in that does it say
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 07:01 PM
Jul 2024

that first class letters can be tracked, which was what you disagreed with and the original poster had a chance to dispute too. He didn't. Why do you suppose that would be, if he were right? I don't really want you to answer, I already know.
I apologize for not explaining that letter machines can't read the bar code used for tracking. I've come to realize that you needed help understanding.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
29. Nah, I didn't disagree with the letters thing...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 07:07 PM
Jul 2024

...I was clear that my concern was about mail-in ballots which I believe in most states are in the form of what the USPS calls "flats", which are clearly explained as being barcodable and trackable in the excerpt I provided.

Pardon me if I get off track for a moment, but it seems very important to you to give the impression that it is impossible to track certain items and that this has nothing to do with the unexplained destruction of millions of dollars worth of USPS property by dejoy.

Is there a reason that you want people to believe that?

SocialDemocrat61

(7,645 posts)
9. I've been voting by mail since Covid
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:40 PM
Jul 2024

And you’re right USPS doesn’t track but the elections department will track when it’s delivered to them and so on.

Progressive dog

(7,602 posts)
12. Right
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:50 PM
Jul 2024

The PO can track packages. With letters you can pay to receive notice of delivery but not to tell you where it is before then.

pwb

(12,660 posts)
5. I just got a personal hand written letter from Kansas
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:26 PM
Jul 2024

it took 4 days to New York. Not bad but it use to be 3 days anywhere in the U.S.

Rebl2

(17,740 posts)
6. Sounds familiar
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 04:30 PM
Jul 2024

I have seen this problem myself in a totally different part of the country and so has my sister in CA.

RainCaster

(13,710 posts)
15. Every package from Amazon that has arrived late (or never) came from the USPS
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 05:16 PM
Jul 2024

So far this year, there is a 4 in 27 chance that my package will arrive on time. Fuck Fire DeJoy.

NNadir

(38,041 posts)
19. We have noticed the degeneration of mail service since this creep was installed. We've also had mail stolen...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 05:45 PM
Jul 2024

...and fraudulent checks washed. (Fortunately my bank caught it.)

live love laugh

(16,383 posts)
23. And Republicans LIKE mail-in voting now all of a sudden.
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 06:29 PM
Jul 2024

Another 180:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-absentee-mail-voting/

Former President Donald Trump announced a major change in a long-held position, and it's one that could boost his numbers at the ballot box this fall.

With little fanfare, in a post on Truth Social last Friday evening, Trump urged supporters to use early and absentee voting methods.

"ABSENTEE VOTING, EARLY VOTING, AND ELECTION DAY VOTING ARE ALL GOOD OPTIONS. REPUBLICANS MUST MAKE A PLAN, REGISTER, AND VOTE!" Trump wrote.


GiqueCee

(4,253 posts)
27. Okay, Joe cannot fire DeJoy...
Mon Jul 8, 2024, 06:47 PM
Jul 2024

... but the Board of Governors certainly can, and the Board is majority Democrats, most appointed by Biden. It's LONG past time for Joe to take the ne'er-do-wells to the woodshed for a come-to-Jesus moment. DeJoy is a destructive sociopath with blatant conflicts of interest. But then, he's a fuckin' Republican, so whaddya expect?

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