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SocialDemocrat61

(7,648 posts)
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 09:33 AM Jul 2024

I could be very wrong about this but from what I've been observing

it seems that President Biden's biggest defenders are people of color, such as Hakeem Jeffries, Jasmine Crockett, AOC, Whoopi Goldberg, while those that have been pushing him the hardest to step down are affluent white men, such as Jon Stewart, Rob Reiner, Stephen King, James Carville and a guy from Virginia. Now this is not true in every case in that there are many white people like Bernie Sanders who've spoken out in support of the President, but there does seem to be a pattern.

Again I could be totally wrong about this and it could just be my imagination.

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I could be very wrong about this but from what I've been observing (Original Post) SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 OP
You're not wrong. The black community is stepping up. shrike3 Jul 2024 #1
Follow their lead. Mister Ed Jul 2024 #43
It's a distraction greymattermom Jul 2024 #2
They will all be on vacation edisdead Jul 2024 #5
A lot of them have multiple homes overseas, on islands. erronis Jul 2024 #37
You are seeing what I am Bettie Jul 2024 #3
Nail on the head Scully Jul 2024 #15
It's ALWAYS smart to ask "who benefits?" calimary Jul 2024 #25
Also... OneGrassRoot Jul 2024 #30
Yeah, I see that too Bettie Jul 2024 #31
Rob Reiner is not wise, not even close. His father, Carl Reiner was. Traurigkeit Jul 2024 #34
So Archie's name for him was correct n/t ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #46
I'd like to think Meathead will come around soon enough... Pluvious Jul 2024 #68
I like Rob. But he obviously didn't think this through. shrike3 Jul 2024 #53
Also, those white men rely on MEDIA for their lifestyle Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #44
True johnnyfins Jul 2024 #56
Biden has a vast majority of support from across the Democratic spectrum... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #4
As of late Nikossitti Jul 2024 #6
They've been doing that for generations jmbar2 Jul 2024 #27
That is what I am seeing as well. FUCK THE PATRIARCHY onecaliberal Jul 2024 #7
Lemmy has the right idea ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #47
Yes! onecaliberal Jul 2024 #58
I kept imagining his mole holding tiny knives and growling ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #66
lol. That gave me a chuckle. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #67
David Axelrod relentless against Biden. delisen Jul 2024 #8
This was very second hand at the time SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #10
That makes sense he has a bitter feeling about President Biden kimbutgar Jul 2024 #12
Obamacare was only possible bc Joe Biden knew yobrault1 Jul 2024 #18
Exactly! kimbutgar Jul 2024 #20
Yes, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi got Obamacare passed. yardwork Jul 2024 #54
David Axelrod can pound sand as far as I am concerned. LisaM Jul 2024 #36
Yep - he's always been mediocre at best awesomerwb1 Jul 2024 #62
Ego Abundance77 Jul 2024 #55
Not that he'll miss me, Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #9
Thanks for the reminder! I already unfollowed Rob Reiner. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2024 #11
A massive campaign Beck23 Jul 2024 #13
It is orangecrush Jul 2024 #23
Senator Rev. Raphael Warnock is a strong spokesperson for the President, as is former japple Jul 2024 #14
This is funny Beck23 Jul 2024 #16
Women need to support Biden all they can or say good-bye to the 21st century. twodogsbarking Jul 2024 #17
Tax cuts... dlk Jul 2024 #19
Yes, race orangecrush Jul 2024 #21
It's exhausting ramapo Jul 2024 #22
There is no onslaught Beck23 Jul 2024 #24
Exactly calguy Jul 2024 #40
The Guy From Virgnia ConstanceCee Jul 2024 #26
The leader of the circular firing squad nt Bobstandard Jul 2024 #38
You're right wryter2000 Jul 2024 #28
Moulton was just on XanaDUer2 Jul 2024 #29
Rob Reiner really surprises me. He was Biden's biggest Hollywood champion. TRHST82 Jul 2024 #32
I would have thought Reiner knew enough about politics Susan Calvin Jul 2024 #39
It is getting ridiculous! Grammy23 Jul 2024 #33
"No chance for redemption or taking a few deep breaths to think everything through." Sogo Jul 2024 #41
You are seeing what the media covers. hay rick Jul 2024 #35
All the Dems will get behind Biden. ananda Jul 2024 #42
I loathe them ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #50
Looking out for #1 is the American ethos. Marcus IM Jul 2024 #45
Good pt, also, those are mostly professional communicators. carpetbagger Jul 2024 #48
exit polls said over 90% of black women voted for Joe Biden in the last presidential election bigtree Jul 2024 #49
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #51
I don't think Stephen King was telling him to step down. Seems like he posted to Twitter in support of Biden. raccoon Jul 2024 #52
Umm... SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #57
I stand corrected. My opinion of Stephen King just dropped a lot. raccoon Jul 2024 #59
Yeah, you're wrong Mosby Jul 2024 #60
Guess you didn't read the whole post SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #61
Yeah, i skimmed Mosby Jul 2024 #63
Just an observation SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #65
I'm still shocked by some of the defections MustLoveBeagles Jul 2024 #64
 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
1. You're not wrong. The black community is stepping up.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 09:35 AM
Jul 2024

And the affluent white guys are jumping ship.

Mister Ed

(6,927 posts)
43. Follow their lead.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:03 PM
Jul 2024

It seems to me that people of color, and especially Black women voters, have been busy saving the nation for decades. If we follow them and support them, maybe they'll save us once again.

greymattermom

(5,807 posts)
2. It's a distraction
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 09:35 AM
Jul 2024

From Trump's absence. Those folks don't realize that if their plan gets Trump elected, they will be on the kill list.

edisdead

(3,396 posts)
5. They will all be on vacation
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 09:43 AM
Jul 2024

If trump wins they will all be on vacation overseas a few weeks before he takes power. Loooooong vacations. Perhaps even move there.

erronis

(23,882 posts)
37. A lot of them have multiple homes overseas, on islands.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:50 AM
Jul 2024

It might prolong their life by one or two years but war and/or climate will get to them eventually.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
3. You are seeing what I am
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 09:37 AM
Jul 2024

Those affluent white men would all benefit from further tax cuts from that orange man too.

Plus, if things get bad here, they can all go almost anywhere in the world to live, because if you have money, just about any country will take you. They will never have to face the consequences of a second trump term in any real way.

Scully

(95 posts)
15. Nail on the head
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:09 AM
Jul 2024

I always ask myself.... who stands to benefit the most from what is being called for (yelled about, etc.), and their motivations are often illuminating.

OneGrassRoot

(23,953 posts)
30. Also...
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:38 AM
Jul 2024

While the white men in question are usually considered allies, they may subconsciously be pushing against the visible “smash the white patriarchy” trend. They desperately want to continue to be seen as thought leaders and Oh Wise Ones and to be adored…by someone.

I understand that those who work for Big Media are likely influenced by their network’s narrative but Olbermann and Stephen King, for example, don’t have that constraint.

So, idk. It’s very, very disappointing though.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
31. Yeah, I see that too
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:40 AM
Jul 2024

they see themselves as the wise elders....and this time around, people aren't listening to their pronouncements with the reverence they are accustomed to.

Pluvious

(5,395 posts)
68. I'd like to think Meathead will come around soon enough...
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 10:56 PM
Jul 2024

FWIW I've been following his Twitter feed for years

Attilatheblond

(8,878 posts)
44. Also, those white men rely on MEDIA for their lifestyle
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:04 PM
Jul 2024

Media Moguls might just be threatening jobs of the talent

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
4. Biden has a vast majority of support from across the Democratic spectrum...
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 09:41 AM
Jul 2024

A few people are either trying to cash in on the media exposure, trying to stir up ratings, don't undetstand how switching him out would sink our chances, or want trump to win.

jmbar2

(7,989 posts)
27. They've been doing that for generations
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:35 AM
Jul 2024

We owe them a huge debt of gratitude for pushing democracy as far as it got before now.

delisen

(7,366 posts)
8. David Axelrod relentless against Biden.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 09:50 AM
Jul 2024

Axelrod has been anti- Biden 2nd term for years and immediately came out against him re debate.
Most are men but Claire McCaskill was an immediate alarmist re debate.

I think the failure of both these paid commentators to act in a disciplined fashion was very damaging.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,648 posts)
10. This was very second hand at the time
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 09:56 AM
Jul 2024

but back in 2008 a friend involved in the Obama campaign told me that Axelrod wanted Evan Bayh for VP and was vehemently opposed to Obama picking Biden. Again this was second or third hand so I confirm how accurate it is.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
12. That makes sense he has a bitter feeling about President Biden
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:08 AM
Jul 2024

Biden was the best VP who probably gave good guidance to Obama on how to navigate the White House and deal,with congress.

yobrault1

(204 posts)
18. Obamacare was only possible bc Joe Biden knew
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:18 AM
Jul 2024

how to negotiate getting it passed with the Tea Party wing nuts poised to wipeout the dem majority in Obama's first midterm elections. Without Joe, Obamacare would not exist. Don't be fooled into thinking Obama could have achieved that with a less experienced statesman.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
54. Yes, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi got Obamacare passed.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:28 PM
Jul 2024

My children have health insurance because of it. I'm beyond grateful to them.

LisaM

(29,634 posts)
36. David Axelrod can pound sand as far as I am concerned.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:50 AM
Jul 2024

His sole connection to the Democratic party is Obama, who would have been elected if his campaign had been run by a Muppet. Axelrod's sniffing disdain for Hillary Clinton put him on my s**t list years ago.

Axelrod (wrongly, IMO) thinks of himself as a kingmaker. Huey Long he is not.

Abundance77

(22 posts)
55. Ego
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:28 PM
Jul 2024

I ask: Did the Biden Admininistration or Obama Administration accomplish more?

I think jealous is showing it's ugly face.

Plus Biden is reflecting the needs of the people. Obama was and I believe still is a neoliberal trained at Harvard Law school.

japple

(10,459 posts)
14. Senator Rev. Raphael Warnock is a strong spokesperson for the President, as is former
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:08 AM
Jul 2024

Atlanta mayor, Keisha Lance Bottoms. Both from Georgia. I think we're going to win GA again!

Beck23

(411 posts)
16. This is funny
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:15 AM
Jul 2024

What is funny about Mark Warner from Virginia is that he never would have initially been elected, except that a lot of people thought they were voting for John Warner, the retired Republican.

orangecrush

(30,261 posts)
21. Yes, race
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:24 AM
Jul 2024

Is a great tool for dividing people.

Been used by oppressors since forever.

The Democratic party needs to pull together, all of us.

ramapo

(4,777 posts)
22. It's exhausting
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:24 AM
Jul 2024

It's one thing to battle MAGA Republicans but this onslaught by Democrats is just too much. I fear that this just destroys everything.... Memories are short and who knows what happens between now and November but this is like nothing I ever imagined

calguy

(6,154 posts)
40. Exactly
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:58 AM
Jul 2024

There are a handful of Republicans who don't want trump to be their nominee, but why aren't their voices being amplified by the media?

TRHST82

(57 posts)
32. Rob Reiner really surprises me. He was Biden's biggest Hollywood champion.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:43 AM
Jul 2024

Biden staying in is probably the best of a bad situation. You know Republicans wouldn't cave.

Susan Calvin

(2,438 posts)
39. I would have thought Reiner knew enough about politics
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:55 AM
Jul 2024

To realize the chaos this would cause, if nothing else.

Grammy23

(6,122 posts)
33. It is getting ridiculous!
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:45 AM
Jul 2024

Every time I turn on the TV or look online, another Big Wig Dem comes out against Biden. What are they doing? Just seeing how long they can drag out the pile on? I am way beyond disgusted with these whiners and cry babies. Where is their loyalty? Their dedication to party and principle? All they know is someone, somewhere decided we must kick Joe to the curb. No chance for redemption or taking a few deep breaths to think everything through. Pros and cons.

I don’t care if god almighty descends from the clouds, if Biden feels he is up to the job and keeps performing like I saw on TV with my own eyes in Raleigh, I’ll vote for the Democratic ticket. These Dems who are like rats fleeing a sinking ship are disgusting. And THEIR opinions mean squat to me.

Sogo

(7,191 posts)
41. "No chance for redemption or taking a few deep breaths to think everything through."
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:59 AM
Jul 2024

Spot on.

Everyone has had a knee jerk reaction rather than waiting to hear from Biden!

hay rick

(9,605 posts)
35. You are seeing what the media covers.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 11:48 AM
Jul 2024

The Biden's age narrative has almost run its course. Time to boost the Biden as candidate for blacks (at the expense of whites, wink, wink) narrative.

ananda

(35,145 posts)
42. All the Dems will get behind Biden.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:01 PM
Jul 2024

He's not going to step down, so I'm
not worried about it.

It's the fucking media that's so evil.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
50. I loathe them
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:23 PM
Jul 2024

I don't trust them at all. The news shows don't get my eyes and the local radio is a mystery to me. I even forgot the frequency of the local news station.

 

Marcus IM

(3,001 posts)
45. Looking out for #1 is the American ethos.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:16 PM
Jul 2024

I was told that ugliness innumerable times when I moved to the USA.

carpetbagger

(5,484 posts)
48. Good pt, also, those are mostly professional communicators.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:23 PM
Jul 2024

In their lives, delivery of message is the actual thing rather than nomination/appointments, management, and policy.

bigtree

(94,265 posts)
49. exit polls said over 90% of black women voted for Joe Biden in the last presidential election
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:23 PM
Jul 2024

...just sayin'.

Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)

raccoon

(32,390 posts)
52. I don't think Stephen King was telling him to step down. Seems like he posted to Twitter in support of Biden.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:26 PM
Jul 2024

King alerted his followers to Trump and his cronies pushing Project 2025.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219115722

raccoon

(32,390 posts)
59. I stand corrected. My opinion of Stephen King just dropped a lot.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:34 PM
Jul 2024

If the worse should happen, a lot of people need to be told,
"You asked for it--you got it."
and it wasn't Toyota.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
60. Yeah, you're wrong
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:34 PM
Jul 2024

You must have forgotten about Sanders and Fetterman who have vigorously defended Biden.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,648 posts)
61. Guess you didn't read the whole post
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:37 PM
Jul 2024
Now this is not true in every case in that there are many white people like Bernie Sanders who've spoken out in support of the President, but there does seem to be a pattern.
 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
63. Yeah, i skimmed
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:43 PM
Jul 2024

Didn't notice the sanders reference. Regardless, you making this about race isn't helpful.

MustLoveBeagles

(16,409 posts)
64. I'm still shocked by some of the defections
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 12:44 PM
Jul 2024

Where's their damn loyalty? Is money really that much more important to them? Silly questions I know.

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