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Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll (Original Post) onecaliberal Jul 2024 OP
Donald poopy-pants can also be legally defined as Donald the rapist too? Sick, but... ffr Jul 2024 #1
paywall Sogo Jul 2024 #2
Here you go! onecaliberal Jul 2024 #3
Wow. kimmylavin Jul 2024 #8
Another article from that day: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2024 #6
No paywall : https://archive.is/oO4Wy Think. Again. Jul 2024 #4
The full article, free access: hlthe2b Jul 2024 #5
We need to spread this across the media somehow. pandr32 Jul 2024 #7
I would prefer to reelect the older fellow over the rapist/felon any day. IronLionZion Jul 2024 #9
AS IF committing sexual assault is no big deal as long ae you don't use the R word! ShazzieB Jul 2024 #10
And dopey Donnie is suing somebody, Stephanopolis I think, for saying he's rapist. Donnie is rapist. Full stop. Comfortably_Numb Jul 2024 #11

onecaliberal

(35,476 posts)
3. Here you go!
Wed Jul 10, 2024, 12:26 PM
Jul 2024

After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.
Despite Carroll’s claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense. Instead, jurors opted for a second option: sexual abuse.
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“This was a rape claim, this was a rape case all along, and the jury rejected that — made other findings,” his lawyer, Joe Tacopina, said outside the courthouse.
A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.
The filing from Judge Lewis A. Kaplan came as Trump’s attorneys have sought a new trial and have argued that the jury’s $5 million verdict against Trump in the civil suit was excessive. The reason, they argue, is that sexual abuse could be as limited as the “groping” of a victim’s breasts.
Kaplan roundly rejected Trump’s motion Tuesday, calling that argument “entirely unpersuasive.”

kimmylavin

(2,290 posts)
8. Wow.
Wed Jul 10, 2024, 01:55 PM
Jul 2024

His lawyer saying he didn't rape her, he only sexually assaulted her... that's a wild flex.
(Also complete BS, of course.)

muriel_volestrangler

(102,337 posts)
6. Another article from that day:
Wed Jul 10, 2024, 12:31 PM
Jul 2024
https://newrepublic.com/post/174448/judge-e-jean-carroll-case-yes-donald-trump-rapist
and the judge has said it again:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll
and again:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-cannot-challenge-writers-rape-claim-defamation-trial-judge-rules-2024-01-08/

The detail of his ruling - trigger warning, this is about the mechanics of rape:

The jury's unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1

As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.

So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury's $2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll's sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll's] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive.

This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll's vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump's argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury's verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

ShazzieB

(18,404 posts)
10. AS IF committing sexual assault is no big deal as long ae you don't use the R word!
Wed Jul 10, 2024, 02:33 PM
Jul 2024

As the article said, this is "a legal distinction without a real-world difference."

TSF and his bumbling legal team just basically implied that what TSF did to E. Jean was AOK and humky dory, just because of a technicality in the wording of the New York penal code.

Nice try, morons! Thank goodness the judge didn't fall for that lame ass claim.

Comfortably_Numb

(4,072 posts)
11. And dopey Donnie is suing somebody, Stephanopolis I think, for saying he's rapist. Donnie is rapist. Full stop.
Wed Jul 10, 2024, 02:36 PM
Jul 2024

Donald drumph is a rapist. Donald drumph is a rapist. Donald drumph is a rapist. Donald drumph is a rapist. Donald drumph is a rapist.

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