REPORT FINDS BIDEN DEBATE CRISIS IS A BOGUS MEDIA CREATION

[CaptainTruth]

REPORT FINDS BIDEN DEBATE CRISIS IS A BOGUS MEDIA CREATION

A new multi-university research project found that the debate did nothing to change voter preferences and that Biden is actually doing a better job of holding on to his supporters after the debate than Trump.

A multi-university project called CHIP50, which includes Northeastern University, Harvard University, Rutgers University, and the University of Rochester, issued a new report concluding that the first presidential debate had no impact on voter preferences.

The report found:

The predominant pattern we see in the data is stability in voters’ preferences. Overall, 94% of those who chose Biden and 86% of those who chose Trump in our May survey still preferred the same candidate after the debate. There was a small rate of change from Biden to Trump or vice versa– less than 3% shifted in either direction. We observed more churn between those who favored either Biden or Trump and the “Other” category. About 4% of Biden’s and 6% of Trump’s supporters in the earlier wave shifted to “Other” post-debate. At the same time, 6% of “Other” shifted to Biden, and another 6% shifted to Trump.

The net effect of this churn was still quite small: out of a total sample of 1262 repeat respondents, there was a net shift toward support for Biden of 36 voters, and for Trump of 27 voters.
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More at link...

https://www.politicususa.com/2024/07/10/debate-crissi-report-bogus.html

[Wednesdays]

1. Well, now there's a surprise.

[senseandsensibility]

2. Yes, I thought the corporate media hissy fit

was based in solid reporting.

[Rebl2]

7. 😂😂😂

Really-based on solid reporting 😂. Not a chance 😐.

[CaptainTruth]

8. I'm just as shocked as you are.

[BidenRocks]

53. Do what I do.

CLICK!
I enjoy the X Files. It doesn't piss me off.

[homegirl]

80. There's an agenda!

One day this week, I fired up my iPad’s NYT app and noticed that the first six articles on the screen all had something to do with getting Biden out of the race. (Aaron Rupar noticed the same phenomenon.) All week, I kept checking CNN to see how they were covering the immunity decision, but I could never time it right: They were constantly talking about Biden’s fitness for office and whether his support was eroding. In one segment I watched, Host Jim Sciutto raised those issues with CNN commentator Van Jones, pro-Biden Republican Adam Kinzinger, and Democrats Howard Dean and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz. Whenever any of the four expressed support for Biden, Sciutto argued with them. No pro-Biden point could go unchallenged.

There’s an agenda here, and it’s not subtle.

This kind of sustained assault doesn’t happen to Republicans. Republican scandals and pseudo-scandals last for a day or two and then go away. Donald Trump is still a convicted felon who tried to stay in power through force and fraud after he lost the election. Clarence Thomas is still blatantly corrupt. How often do those facts come up? Republican officials can appear on CNN without being asked about them.

But if you raise those comparisons, big-media journalists will protest, “We can’t keep asking people the same questions over and over again.” The Biden example, however, proves that they can. They’re doing it right now. They just can’t do it to Republicans.

[NotHardly]

39. Nearly all major media owned by Billionaire Republicans or Rupert Maddock

[mitch96]

72. To me this just stinks of putin/kgb/fsb disinfo campaign..It's in the dictators play book😁...nt

[MN2theMax]

3. K & R

Just a short article, but it certainly resonated with what we are seeing and experiencing.

[doc03]

4. This may be so but the debate happened two weeks ago and instead of

blowing away in a day or two it has only grown. It is obvious the media is not dropping this until Biden drops out or is
forced out. Several Congressmen have come forward stating Biden should step down. Today even Nancy
Pelosi wouldn't make a commitment. I don't know who would have a better chance to beat Trump than Joe Biden but it
has become obvious he will have to step down otherwise we most likely will have DJT as our next president. If he does step down the chances are not much better. I wish a serious candidate would have challenged him, the handwriting was on the wall
long before the primaries. We need to quit whining about the media and saying all polls are wrong.

[ucrdem]

6. No member of Congress has agreed to bring his/her concerns to Biden.

Members of both houses met informally yesterday in separate meetings and both reached the conclusion that nothing needed to be done.

Pelosi let it be known on the night of the debate that she was not pleased with Biden's performance. I well remember her name being tossed about that night and the day after. Not just Pelosi, but the others have managed to backpedal their names out of the news. She's been in CYA mode ever since. It would be helpful if she apologized for those early remarks, or disavowed them, or issued a non-equivocal statement of support for Biden's reelection campaign, but until she does she has to cavil and explainicate and say yet again she hopes Biden makes a decision soon.

Biden made his decision 20 years ago. He's running.

[doc03]

13. If he stays in the media will not back off until they make Biden lose. The best chance we have is

if some major event distracts them, they can't help going after a new shinny object. They smell blood in the water and won't back off.

[paleotn]

18. So a bunch of overfed and overpaid scribblers in NYC and DC decide who the Dem candidate is?

Horse shit.

[doc03]

20. We went through all this in 2016 when we heard "we got this" "the blue wall" nt

[paleotn]

23. This isn't 2016. Stop being manipulated.

[triron]

57. Yes stop it!

[Keepthesoulalive]

28. We will not win without Joe

Don’t buy media garbage, they want to frighten you into submission and we will have Trump as President because of propaganda.

[58Sunliner]

29. Agree. They want him out for a reason. If they thought he wasn't going to win, they'd do nothing.

[happy feet]

74. and based on cspan callers, etc.

the public is piping mad about the bull...t media propaganda to overturn the people's primary vote in favor of the rich and powerful who have big megaphones, but come November their vote counts as one just like the rest of us.

[japple]

34. Yep. Like "Hillary is at death's door...Hillary's emails...etc." Then James Comey sank

her chances. It is so familiar.

[KPN]

37. Biden won't lose! Despite the corporate media.

[BidenRocks]

48. If they were Rethugs

They would be screaming to primary their ass!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

49. I voted for Joe Biden, not for Disney, Murdoch, Koch, Mercer, Sinclair, Comcast, et.al.

[wnylib]

71. There's a Lawrence O'Donnell clip at the Cable News Forum here on DU

in which Lawrence plays the clip of Nancy Pelosi speaking about Biden. It shows that other media have exaggerated her comments.

Pelosi's comments begin at 6:08 in the clip. Worth listening to all of it. She says that we will go with Biden's decision, whatever it is.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132124484

[Progressive dog]

5. Facts should matter

and that fact should convince a lot of Democrats that Biden is not the one who should withdraw, their mystery man should.

[oasis]

9. Lamestream media mode returns to exploit

flat debate performance by Joe Biden. They just don’t know when to quit.

[BidenRocks]

50. I have quit

MSM and all late assets. Colbert, Myers, and whoever is subbing for Kimmel.
Maher can also kma.
I have grown tired of the Biden is old shit without a word for tfg , rapist etc, to quit.
All yall can fuck off!

[oasis]

51. Plenty more useful amusements out there

To keep one occupied.

[raging moderate]

58. Yes! And I STILL say that his microphone was not working very well.

Somebody either made a mistake or secretly sabotaged Joe's microphone at that debate.

[oasis]

59. debate needs to be tossed aside anyway.

Joe has plenty time to rise while Humpty Trumpty has time to commit multiple trip-ups.

[valleyrogue]

10. You think?

All you have to do is read the Politico article from several months ago about the Biden administration and the NYT to know all this handwringing over Biden is total bullshit.

[GiqueCee]

11. And just one more thing...

... those of you clamoring for Joe to drop out of the campaign, have not demanded that he retire from office. He's STILL the president, and you're okay with that? Well, then maybe y'all should just STFU. You have shown the nation and the world just what kind of people you really are, and your public humiliation should start in... 4... 3... 2... 1...

Duck and cover, assholes.

[Eyeball_Kid]

44. The moment he announces

that he’s stepping down, HE’S A LAME DUCK.

No one’s thought of that?? WHY NOT??

[live love laugh]

12. Oh no's‼️ Republicans hate educated people and factual information.

[GiqueCee]

56. Every accusation is a confession...

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... they screech about indoctrination when that's EXACTLY what they want to do, to everyone, not just to our kids. That's why they're dead set against public schools. They'd love to emulate Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and every other tin pot dictator that Satan ever shat out.
I keep thinking that these evil monsters can't possibly get any worse... and then it's Thursday, and overnight they've plumbed new depths of malice and depravity. I'm old enough to remember when it was possible to have Republican friends and just agree to disagree on certain policy issues. Well, those days are dead and gone forever. It is now a party of sociopaths that has metastasized into a domestic terrorist organization, and they have to be stopped, no matter what, or they will destroy the country and the world so they can rule over the ashes.

[Moostache]

14. TURNOUT is always the name of the game....more so now than ever!!!

#1 thing to do between now and election day is CONSTANTLY hang Project 2025 around the neck of Trump and make him publicly denounce it every single day. That achieves 2 things - it cements it in the minds of the feeble and feckless "undecideds" and it pisses off his bloodless zealot supporters who are there just for the middle-finger to everyone / never apologize ethos of Trump in general.

Every day we can get video of Trump saying he doesn't know something or he's not for something his cult wants is a massive win...
Starting in September, we also need to be blasting everywhere the impact of losing Roe has had on REAL women's lives.

This election needs to be about the combined strength of BIDEN-HARRIS as a ticket - playing up the capabilities and experience of the Vice-President to quell the fervor that she would not be an excellent successor or god forbid replacement between 2025 and 2029. If people are truly worried about Biden, then we have to make them comfortable with Harris as the POTUS on-deck now. I was already prepared to do this in the first term...absolutely nothing has changed my mind about it now...

FDJT!

[CaptainTruth]

65. Yes! We need to GOTV!!!

[Wednesdays]

78. There will be only one poll that matters in 2024.

If we get out the vote, we win. If we don't get out the vote, we lose. It's as simple as that.

[BadgerMom]

15. K & R

[blue-wave]

16. Totally manufactured bullshit

With foreign influence also manipulating our corporate media structure, no doubt. They are either good obedient lap dogs for the Kremlin or easily manipulated imbeciles.

[calimary]

17. The media certainly thinks it sees blood in the water.

I waited all the way through Wolf Blitzer's interview with Adam Fucking Smith on CNN just now, assuming we were going to hear someone from the "other side" (another Democrat who's a Biden supporter) for SOME measure of "balance." And instead, they went to commercial.

This is starting to piss me off. And I'm not too happy with George Clooney either. Shame on him, too!

[paleotn]

19. George needs to shut the fuck up.

He's an actor. Why the fuck should anyone listen to him?

[elocs]

75. Well, Clooney is an actor but I'm guessing you supported his backing Biden and raising lots of money for him

because lots of people were listening to him. But you can't have it both ways now that he changed his mind. He is allowed to do that even if we don't like it.

[Eyeball_Kid]

47. It was a requiem mass on Wallace's

show today. They were virtually bidding Biden goodbye. Oh, we love Joe, but he’s gotta go. Nonsense. All of it. But hey, that’s show biz.

[Bucky]

21. Updated

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I was wrong about the Chip50 report not existing. It wasn't to be found where I looked on their site, but it's a new report and appeared in a different spot on their site. My mistake

I don't think I was wrong to point out that PoliticusUSA news source is not to be trusted, ever, even if (allegedly) their bias is to the left. They're clickbaity and full of cookie-spewing ads.

I'm relieved Biden isn't bleeding support after the debate performance. I think it speaks well to our voting base that they're standing by our candidate because the issues are so critical--the strength of our imperfect democracy is on the line in this election.

I'm still not much encouraged by polls that show Biden not losing support when his polling averages are running 3½ points behind Trump. I'll be encouraged when Biden gets out there and starts prosecuting the fuck out of the criminal con artist we're running against. I'll be encouraged by polls when they quit showing must-wins like New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, & Michigan with Trump leading. Then I'll quit having nightmares about Trump appointing Thomas and Alito's 40-something replacements next year.

But let my stupidity stand below. I googled poorly. I'm not in a sanguine mood about our politics right now.



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Original post below:

I looked at the CHIP50 website and didn't find this analysis. I found one article, written on July 3 before any polling came out, but it's just one academic's assessment of what influence the debate might have had. Here. He was equally critical of both candidates:

“There was no reason for Biden to wait 45 minutes to mention Trump is a convicted felon,” Panagopoulos says.

Asked if he would accept the outcome of the 2024 election, Trump seemed to dodge, saying that “he wouldn’t even be here” if Biden was “a good president.”

“In the end, I don’t think this debate will change much,” Panagopoulos says. “Neither candidate scored any major points or landed any knock-out punches, and all it did was reinforce both candidates’ main weaknesses: perceptions that Trump is a liar and that Biden is too old.”

That's kind of what the PolticusUSA article concludes, but doesn't have all that data.

I googled a number of variations on "chip50 biden debate crisis bogus media creation" but got no results except for the OP's article (and this very DU thread). Why is no one else covering this?

So I googled PoliticusUSA and I found this caveat on their Wikipedia page:

PoliticusUSA is an American left-wing website that publishes hyperpartisan clickbait. Its content has been described by academic studies and journalistic reports as "unreliable," "misleading," and "fake". It is among the most popular U.S. political websites.

I think we can write off this article as bullshit

[Bev54]

26. IT IS NOT A FRAUD

Maybe you need to look a little harder, I got it on my first search

https://www.chip50.org/reports/no-change-evaluating-the-short-term-impact-of-the-presidential-debate-on-voter-preferences

[Bucky]

30. Thanks. It was not easy to find. That's why I walked thru my process

I'll amend the "Fraud alert" post

[Bev54]

33. I googled Chip 50 debate and it was the first thing that came up

[Bev54]

27. I suggest you delete this comment.

[Bucky]

32. Will amend.

I'm okay with letting my mistakes stand exposed

[orangecrush]

41. Oh lookee first try

https://www.chip50.org/reports/no-change-evaluating-the-short-term-impact-of-the-presidential-debate-on-voter-preferences

[BigmanPigman]

22. I have been reading You Tube comments and 99.9%

support Biden and hate the media more than ever. If I watch any objective videos of tRump's crimes everyone comments on how they are very pissed off at the media and tRump.

You Tube hardly ever has so many lucid and informed comments. That is one of my ways to judge the general opinions of tRump and Biden. They are very, very pissed off that Epstein papers with tRump's name all over it are not being picked up by the press.

[barbtries]

24. no shit.

can a democracy survive without a good faith fourth estate?

[orangecrush]

40. Probably not

Unless enough people see through it.

[Bev54]

25. Please everyone send this to their dem representatives and senators

They need to see this ASAP

Edit to the add link to the website to pull up the report

https://www.chip50.org/reports/no-change-evaluating-the-short-term-impact-of-the-presidential-debate-on-voter-preferences

[edisdead]

60. they tried the same shit i France and the UK

there is a total media propaganda op going on. Multi national. Only here unfortunately some of our politicians and allies don’t appear to have the intestinal fortitude to stick it out and support our candidate

[AllaN01Bear]

31. me shocked . nah.

my mind is already made up thank you. as a charcater on a old tv show called gomer pile , gomer would screech , suprise ,suprise .

[myohmy2]

35. +1...

...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

36. M$greedia wants its horse race for dollars and its owners want deregulation and tax cuts.

[Grolph_]

43. Ding Ding Ding, Winner here!

It is all for the cash

[orangecrush]

38. The real questions are WHY and WHO

Is behind it.

[proud patriot]

42. I read manufacturing consent

Perhaps more dems should .

[BlueSky3]

46. Please explain

“manufacturing consent”? Thanks.

[FuzzyRabbit]

61. Manufacturing Consent

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/78912/manufacturing-consent-by-edward-s-herman-and-noam-chomsky/

In this pathbreaking work, Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky show that, contrary to the usual image of the news media as cantankerous, obstinate, and ubiquitous in their search for truth and defense of justice, in their actual practice they defend the economic, social, and political agendas of the privileged groups that dominate domestic society, the state, and the global order.

Based on a series of case studies—including the media’s dichotomous treatment of “worthy” versus “unworthy” victims, “legitimizing” and “meaningless” Third World elections, and devastating critiques of media coverage of the U.S. wars against Indochina—Herman and Chomsky draw on decades of criticism and research to propose a Propaganda Model to explain the media’s behavior and performance.

Or watch the John Carpenter movie "They Live". Pretty much the same message.

[Dave Bowman]

77. Good movie.

“I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubble gum.”

[proud patriot]

68. It's a small book

By Noam Chomsky. Was written in the early 80s. Easy. Read can read it in a day.

[BlueSky3]

70. Thanks!

[mahina]

76. Ha!

It’s 2 or 3” thick

But worth it

[rburns24]

45. The election

I'll go with Alan Lichtman. He says if Biden is replaced with
someone else T wins. I agree. Biden is the incumbent and people
who have run and weren't incumbents didn't do very well...

[kimbutgar]

52. I'm shocked I tell you to read this!

The MSM owned by wealthy oligarchs want those tax cuts from the convicted felon and will destroy America to get them. We need to push back and then them FU and vote for President Biden.

Spread the details of project 2025 far and wide and warn people !

[dsp3000]

54. We can't unsee what we saw at the debate. I'm worried but I'll vote for any D though.

[triron]

55. I figured as much.

Fuck the media. They did this to Hillary.
Enemy of democracy.

[Ford_Prefect]

62. Fascinating to find confirmation of the MSM playing meme games with the election, and the truth.

[Butterflylady]

63. Instead of bashing Biden.

Why in heavens name don't these cowardly dems push project 2025. And have people that support Biden on their shows.

[Stinky The Clown]

64. The media fakes it and some of our own people fuck us.

[AKwannabe]

66. K&R

[IbogaProject]

67. The wealthy are scared

I've been blaming the media blitz on "Biden is too old" on the Epstein info drop but maybe polling caused it.
Here is the one that caused the current GOP & media panic, Univision did one of hispanics almost all shifted to Biden after the debate.

Link to tweet

[Dem4life1234]

69. I am so

I am so disappointed in the mainstream media on their attacks on the president for a debate performance and the ageism. It is disgusting. I have lost respect for them.

It would be one thing if his opponent wasn't some raping conman dictator wannabe.

[twodogsbarking]

73. Y'all didn''t need no report to know that.

[dchill]

79. Yup. Just sayin'.

[samsingh]

81. love the following line

Biden is actually doing a better job of holding on to his supporters after the debate than Trump

[Abundance77]

82. Russian Trolls at it again

Nicole W. On MSNBC is showing that she is still a GOP. After all, she seems to be fine that her President Bush did nothing wrong by lying to us about Iraq and using makeup evidence to invade Iraq. She is fine spreading lies about Biden. I lost all admiration for her.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

83. It was NOT President Biden's performance in the debate that is the problem but the over-reaction by some https://x.com/c

It was NOT President Biden's performance in the debate that is the problem but the over-reaction by some

Link to tweet

[TheRealNorth]

84. Not sure what the point is....

We know that most Republican and Democratic partisan are going to vote for their party's candidate no matter what. And it was also likely that the people that watched the debate were most partisan. The question is what do the undecided independents think and if independents leaning one way or another reverse course.