This crisis is ELITIST and I am done with it and the ELITIST DEMS

[Model35mech]

Some fraction of ELITE people think their minority of dems should make the decision about the candidate.

Well, THERE WAS A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS FOR THAT, which they apparently slept thru.

Now we've got the Cajun Copperhead and Hollywood actors fucking up donations to the properly and FAIRLY WON candidacy.

So FUCK YOU ELITE DEMS, and FUCK ALL THE DEMS WHO THINK THIS IS RIGHT.

I'm DONE.

For however many years I have, I AM VOTING FOR MYSELF.

SCREW THE ELITIST ASSHOLES

I hope you enjoy the FASCISM you are enabling

[barbaraann]

1. It's the people who get "face time" with the candidates/electeds vs the rest of us, isn't it?

i.e., the Big Donors

[Model35mech]

4. It is NOT supposed to be those who can BUY an audience.

THIS is the G'damned DEMOCRATIC PARTY. That name suggests and has stood for DEMOCRATIC PROCESS for decades.

We now know that is well and truly OVER!

If Trump and his fascists turn to jailing them, why would I object?

[Big Blue Marble]

2. This Ipos Poll contradicts your premise that it is the elites only.

"The majority of Dems want Biden to leave the race."

"The poll results contradict Biden’s claim that only party elites want him to step aside. He has said that positive interactions with supporters on the campaign trail have helped persuade him to stay in the race after a debate in which he trailed off and occasionally appeared confused. But the poll finds that 56 percent of Democrats say that he should end his candidacy, while 42 percent say he should continue to seek reelection. Overall, 2 in 3 adults say the president should step aside, including more than 7 in 10 independents."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/11/poll-biden-drop-out-election/

[Model35mech]

5. Well that depends on whose ELITE leaning poll you are reading.

ABCNEWS poll published this morning had BIDEN and trump TIED at 46% each

[Big Blue Marble]

10. This is the same Poll.

in 2020, Biden was leading Trump by 8-11 percent and won by 4.5%

Again same poll: Trump is leading by 5 in all but one swing state and
even leading in Pennsylvania.

[Model35mech]

11. 5% is generally close to the margin of error in these polls. BUT INTERPRETATION

of those polls is in the hands of the . . . FUCKING ELITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Big Blue Marble]

14. The margin of error in this poll is 3.5%

The Washington Post-ABC News-Ipsos poll was conducted July 5-9 among 2,431 U.S. adults through the Ipsos KnowledgePanel, a survey panel recruited through random sampling of households across the country. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus two percentage points; the error margin is 3.5 points among the sample of 825 self-identified Democrats and three points among the sample of 1,255 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents.

Trump is winning in all swing states by 5%.

[Model35mech]

16. and if you know anything about polls, stats and moving averages, 3.5% might as well be 0% to 8%

Yes you can do the arithmetic and get 5% error for an UNBIASED poll of about 475 respondents.

BUT who the hell thinks whats happening is based on UNBIASED polls?

[BComplex]

6. The polls are totally meaningless these days. Totally.

Come election day, you will see the actual VOTERS coming out of the woodwork to elect Joe Biden, and hopefully a big majority of Democrats in the House, Senate, and State Houses.

Trump has NOT won any large block of NEW voters since 2020, and the Democrats have GAINED millions of people who are
1) terrified of trump
2) furious about the Dobbs decision
3) knowledgeable about what is at stake.

Hide and watch.

[Model35mech]

8. Unfortunately that is NOT entirely true. The media are punditing while intoxicated

on those polls

And they are pushing the future of the nation into a very very bleak future.

May God take vengence on their souls

[Big Blue Marble]

12. Do you realize that 4 years ago, Biden was leading by at least 8 points in July.

He only won by 4.5% Races tighter closer to the election.

Your points are well taken, but given the consistency in the polls across the board
do not reflect that the deciding voters in the swing states are buying in.

[BComplex]

17. That was BEFORE Dobbs, BEFORE Project 2025, BEFORE January 6, BEFORE 34 guilty felony verdicts.

And the polls have been all over the map, depending on who is paying for them. So, I don't really care where anything was 4 years ago. AND: There is NO consistency in the polls. I've seen polls with Biden ahead by 1, behind by 6, and everything in between.

I stand by my previous post. The polls are worth one shit. Not two.

[Big Blue Marble]

18. The voters have that information and the race is tied.

Biden needs to be ahead by at least 5% to win in the swing states. We know that
based on 2016 and 2020, where small numbers of voters in a small number of states
determined the race, not the popular vote.

The warning flags are out there.

[BComplex]

19. I'm supporting Joe Biden.

It's too dangerous and too late to try to take the most successful president of my 75 years, and put in some Johnny-come-lately in the last 3 months before early voting starts.

Biden WON the democratic primary. It's over. I'm all in for Joe Biden. I wish you could get on board.

[Big Blue Marble]

22. I am supporting Biden if he remains our candidate. I will vote a straight ticket as I always do.

Most Dems will vote for Biden, but this poll reflects that the majority of Dems are not
confident he will convince the independents and low-information voters of danger we
are in.

Unfortunately, this is not over. The questioning of his competency is now a central and
continuing issue of this campaign when it is should be about the danger of Trump and
autocracy

[captain queeg]

9. I don't think I believe that. And I'm not going to pay WaPo to read that.

That contradicts other polls I’ve seen. And I just don’t put much faith in polls in general. Biden is the man and I am more than ok with it.

[IbogaProject]

30. Polls arent as relevant anymore

Who still has a landline and who even answers their's if they have one? I hardly answer my mobile if the number isn't familiar. The wealthy want to talk about anything and anyone other than the focus being on the Epstein files, The Turd Slinger or our corrupt financial system which enabled Epstein and his wealthy clients. Stop it already, the time for this was awhile ago not this late in the game. Please track down a recent speech by the Turd and see if he is more together than Joe.

[BComplex]

3. There does seem to be a small, but very influential, clique of "top shelf" Democrats who are actually

"better" than the people they supposedly support, and this isn't the first time they've been very very wrong!

It's a big tent, and it wouldn't really matter, except that right now they are pushing things very close to throwing this election away... out of sheer prejudice against older people! The ageism in this whole bruhaha reeks.

[Model35mech]

7. Yes and I AM DONE with those who screw over the will of the people.

What the HELL type of Democracy are THEY SELLING?

It seems MUCH like the ELITIST AUTHORITARIAN BULLSHIT OF SCOTUS and THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION

I hope they all rot in hell.

[PATRICK]

13. How does this list of yellow stripe Dems compare

to the "super" delegate rallied to head off a Sanders nomination that wa not even imminent? How does it compare to New Democrats and "bi-partisan" Dems who didn't want Gore to fight for his rightfully won election? Who failed to materialize any benefit for their "reasoning", who were scorned and humiliated by the GOP? Who ruined platforms and strong campaigning, who actually "suffered" like the people? As for any rich donors in the bunch who stand out as targets if the Monster takes over, they have months to find their home on the Riviera.

Biden is the only president in my memory whose failings were NOT amplified in office. The blatant hit job began before Biden uttered a word, for those watching the running commentary by the esteemed trash hyenas. It was pre-written, gloating and absolutely oblivious to mini-Mussolini. (Words that cannot be posted a thousand times in a million lines for the lost soul driving us to ruin- and beyond. For a few dollars more?

[Model35mech]

15. I cannot say this hasn't been building for more almost a decade

The Dems have dumped democratic process.

[Sympthsical]

20. It is so, so weird when we start sounding like Republicans

The number of times I've heard "Those evil Democratic elites!" this past week, I keep checking to see if I've inadvertently stumbled into Breitbart somehow.

Seriously. There is now enough material in this vein where we could play a game where you place two paragraphs side by side and ask the contestant Democrat or Republican?

SNL did an amusing skit around this not too long ago.

[Model35mech]

21. Unfortunately, guys like Jimmy The Snake Carville ARE evil...

And they quick pivot of Clooney says he really deceived us about being strongly committed to Biden. 2 weeks later he has gone from super doner to super anti-Biden

What can we believe other than he wasn't all that committed in the first place??? Are we left with the bones of Biden wasn't friendly enough to the International Criminal Court case against Bibi?

[Sympthsical]

24. I think the problem is

You've started with a conclusion, and as you start working backwards to make it narratively cohesive, you're not finding as much glue as you would like.

Which is sometimes the main pitfall of that process.

[Model35mech]

25. My fingers are sticking to the keys... what do you know?

REALLY?

[Celerity]

23. You read my mind again, my friend.

[Sympthsical]

26. It's a strange week

But being able to dip into randomly applicable YT videos has been great fun.

Silver linings.

[GumboYaYa]

27. Everyone in my family is a die hard Democrat.

We are definitely not elites and will vote for whoever runs as a Democrat. We all watched the debate and all think Biden should step aside an let someone else run. It is hard to unsee his befuddled responses and confused look from the debate and be confident he can beat Trump. I know lots of other ordinary people who agree with me. Maybe the elites are the ones who have the power to make it happen, but they are not alone in their views.

[Model35mech]

28. Well you are entitle to your opinion and your vote selection

[SamuelTheThird]

29. New Washington Post Poll

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-age-campaign-poll/story?id=111825221

54% of people who call themselves Biden Supporters say he should drop out. The poll has Biden and Trump virtually tied though in the race itself (real concern is the state polls it must be pointed out)

Is the Washington Post lying? I have no idea. Maybe

[Model35mech]

32. Well percentage of what from whom?

Is WP lying? I don't know but I am open to the possibility of a poorly conceived, poorly conducted poll and participant selection that also isn't perfect.

All you know when you have polling results is what the participants chose as answers. That leaves much room for things to go out of bounds, but still look publishable to an editor looking for something that will sizzle.

[Blue Full Moon]

31. They would benefit