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ancianita

(43,313 posts)
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 04:39 PM Jul 2024

PROJECT 2025, PAGE 562, from Andrew Weissman

Project 2025 at page 562 calls for the enforcement of criminal laws for mailing abortion pills: "[e]very article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing which is advertised or described in a manner calculated to lead another to use or apply it for producing abortion.” The same laws criminalize mailing anything intended to prevent conception. 18 USC 1461-62.



That page also lays out the criminal investigation of all DA's.
That page ends rule of law through one law.

With the current SCOTUS maga six injustices' help, Project 2025 will end America as we now know it.

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PROJECT 2025, PAGE 562, from Andrew Weissman (Original Post) ancianita Jul 2024 OP
K&R. Thank you for posting! TheProle Jul 2024 #1
Power and strength are different. ancianita Jul 2024 #2
Importantly - K & R malaise Jul 2024 #3
OR contraception. RWers really do want women to stay home, barefoot and pregnant. eppur_se_muova Jul 2024 #4
I was surprised to see the morning-after pill first thing on the counter. kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2024 #5
Where women live in red states there will always be pockets of resistance to oppression. ancianita Jul 2024 #19
K&R...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2024 #6
They continue to consolidate power by squelching opposition in any form bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #7
Comstock Act Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #8
Ask Congress people. ancianita Jul 2024 #20
They are trying to distance themselves Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #9
Facebook is still full of AI bots from bot farms. Check each name & see how there are no friends of the posters. ancianita Jul 2024 #15
Trying to get 2025 thread Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #10
Great. ancianita Jul 2024 #12
Keep looking for another source. I got a free download Hekate Jul 2024 #17
I've tried, but sadly tiring of it. Cool, Hekate, ancianita Jul 2024 #18
Here's the links I used -- one analysis, and one complete Mandate... Hekate Jul 2024 #23
Thank you so much. ancianita Jul 2024 #24
I'm with you as per exhaustion & even burnout Hekate Jul 2024 #29
Thanks. My health is good, so it's really more psychological and emotional weariness than anything else. ancianita Jul 2024 #30
Unlikely ally to fight 2025 Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #11
I hear you. ancianita Jul 2024 #14
The problem is that the Catholic hierarchy is full of the most reactionary... keep_left Jul 2024 #22
Excommunication of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #25
Yes, that was a good first step. However, many more are needed... keep_left Jul 2024 #31
I don't know if American Catholics are headed for schism ... or maybe it's just that FakeNoose Jul 2024 #27
That's probably true, at least to some extent. However, there are still those... keep_left Jul 2024 #32
Oh my that IS disturbing FakeNoose Jul 2024 #33
In my experience, it's the other way around. The newer generation... keep_left Jul 2024 #37
The zombie that was Anthony Comstock must be destroyed. Timeflyer Jul 2024 #13
Absolutely. ancianita Jul 2024 #16
but don't worry guys, your boner pills will be just fine Skittles Jul 2024 #21
They'll have drug-sniffing dogs in every USPS facility in the country FakeNoose Jul 2024 #26
So mailing coat hangers will be illegal? The Blue Flower Jul 2024 #28
This Is How You Get People To Vote For Biden. Most AfroWorldTraveler Jul 2024 #34
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #39
Wouldn't the Comstock Act also require the banning of Viagra? dansolo Jul 2024 #35
Sounds entirely logical, right? But as you say, when it's SCOTUS, one can be both above the law and exempt from the law, ancianita Jul 2024 #36
Mein Kampf 2025 Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #38
AMEN, KID. THANKS. ancianita Jul 2024 #40

eppur_se_muova

(42,117 posts)
4. OR contraception. RWers really do want women to stay home, barefoot and pregnant.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 05:39 PM
Jul 2024

The whole GOP has become this weird alliance of wife beaters and incels.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,300 posts)
5. I was surprised to see the morning-after pill first thing on the counter.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 05:43 PM
Jul 2024

of the pharmacy. This was in Naples Fl - a very red city/county. I’m sure they’ll get a bunch of complaints and will end up having to remove it. There’s all females in the dept!

bucolic_frolic

(55,428 posts)
7. They continue to consolidate power by squelching opposition in any form
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 05:47 PM
Jul 2024

We are at a crisis point, obviously. If we don't reverse the judicial system direction over the next 3-4 years with more judges the opportunity will be lost for a good 50-60 years.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
15. Facebook is still full of AI bots from bot farms. Check each name & see how there are no friends of the posters.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:05 PM
Jul 2024

Their claims of false posts are themselves false posts. This is how corporate bot farms work.

Blue Full Moon

(3,549 posts)
10. Trying to get 2025 thread
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 05:54 PM
Jul 2024
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219135531

So that there is a way to combat the coverup being done. I think that the focus needs to be on this. Biden and Harris will be fine. Focus our energy on winning.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
12. Great.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:02 PM
Jul 2024

I've not been able to get any online text of the P25 without paying for it, which I refuse to do. Best of luck!

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
17. Keep looking for another source. I got a free download
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:15 PM
Jul 2024

When I get home I’ll check to see if someone has given you one & if not I’ll check if mines still good

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
18. I've tried, but sadly tiring of it. Cool, Hekate,
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:20 PM
Jul 2024

but I think maybe you could download it and post on DU what you think is relevant? Because, seriously, we haven't gotten from media what the wise Weissman has caught, and that's the fine print saved at the end of the thing. And everyone here trusts your judgment.



Hekate

(100,133 posts)
23. Here's the links I used -- one analysis, and one complete Mandate...
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 07:12 PM
Jul 2024
Media Matters
A guide to Project 2025, the extreme right-wing agenda for the next Republican administration
https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-foundation/guide-project-2025-extreme-right-wing-agenda-next-republican-administration

THIS IS WHAT I DOWNLOADED — 900+ PAGES
A synopsis & guide to 920 pages:
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

****************

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
24. Thank you so much.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 07:16 PM
Jul 2024

A guide and a synopsis are not the exact text, I suppose, but I hope you'll be reading it and give some heads up on important content when/if you see it. I'll be reading it over tomorrow. I'm running out of gas with this Biden press conference.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
29. I'm with you as per exhaustion & even burnout
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 07:51 PM
Jul 2024

I even went to the dentist today to rule out a bad tooth (I have a history of abscesses with subtle symptoms) in part because I am so exhausted. The good news is: nothing they could see.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
30. Thanks. My health is good, so it's really more psychological and emotional weariness than anything else.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 07:58 PM
Jul 2024

Glad you got a good report from the dentist. That should bring to mind just how much this fight is a real sacrifice of our well being so that in the future there will be a healthier body politic left for our descendants to trust.

I hope you take breaks, naps, and breathe; so far, they're helping. In the next 117 days, we'll all have to find ways to physically, psychologically, even spiritually, persevere.

Blue Full Moon

(3,549 posts)
11. Unlikely ally to fight 2025
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:00 PM
Jul 2024
https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/guest-voices/project-2025-us-bishops-cant-stand-silently-political-sidelines
White Christian nationalism is a powerful faction in Republican Party. Authentic Catholic teaching is not compatible with Christian nationalism. There is a moral danger in voting for a Republican president.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
14. I hear you.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:03 PM
Jul 2024

Totally agree that Jesus Christians and their pastors of all denominations are against the christian nationalist framework of Project 2025.

keep_left

(3,213 posts)
22. The problem is that the Catholic hierarchy is full of the most reactionary...
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:46 PM
Jul 2024

...clerics, the worst of them from places like Africa, the Philippines, and other countries ruled by very illiberal regimes and laws. The reactionaries in the Church have become quite sympathetic to illiberal societies, a direct result of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI who supported and appointed most of those reactionaries. This had many knock-on effects, including the fact that most of the seminaries are also now full of reactionaries. Many priests graduating from these seminaries are now so extreme that they sound like alt-right incels, and it is leading to huge conflicts with the laity when they are appointed to the more liberal parishes, particularly those in the inner cities. As a result, the church in America is headed for schism.

If you read carefully the article you cite, the NCR in fact admits that this is a serious problem. Unfortunately, the NCR tends to be overly optimistic about the future of liberalism and openness in the American church. I tip my cap to them for their hopefulness, but after many years of disappointment--including witnessing a campus ministry destroyed by these maniacs--I don't have the same outlook.

Blue Full Moon

(3,549 posts)
25. Excommunication of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 07:17 PM
Jul 2024

Former ambassador to the United States. He had a lot of influence in the Republican Party. While yes there is issues in other countries I believe that the church distancing itself from him here is a good thing. He promoted conspiracies from the covid 19 to the great reset. He was behind pushing Kim Davis and arranging for her to greet the Pope. I suspect more.

keep_left

(3,213 posts)
31. Yes, that was a good first step. However, many more are needed...
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 01:30 AM
Jul 2024

...and I'm not sure that Pope Francis has enough allies in the Church to do the kind of housecleaning that is required, and in fact is long overdue. By the way, about the "issues in other countries": I was not very clear in what I wrote. The problem is that reactionary clerics were supported and appointed throughout their careers, and so they climbed the ladder in the hierarchy. Many became bishops and cardinals. If these reactionaries remained in their home countries, it would be quite a different situation for us, but unfortunately, they find the social-climbing in Rome suits their fancy much more.

FakeNoose

(41,950 posts)
27. I don't know if American Catholics are headed for schism ... or maybe it's just that
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 07:33 PM
Jul 2024

... anyone who objects to this ultra-conservative nonsense has already left the Church.

keep_left

(3,213 posts)
32. That's probably true, at least to some extent. However, there are still those...
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 02:02 AM
Jul 2024

...who hold on, mostly at inner-city parishes. And when it comes to reactionary radtrad clerics being forced on us*, I have seen a number of parish revolts, and I've even witnessed a couple of parishes destroyed at the hands of these maniacs. One of them was a university student ministry. Since my own experience years ago, I read about yet another campus parish (probably in the pages of the NCR, in fact) that disintegrated in a nearly identical manner to the one I attended. The laity just isn't going to take the radtrad crap lying down anymore, not after as long as we've been putting up with it. The laity is usually better-educated and more articulate than the clergy, and the clergy know it. What the clergy really want is to still be "the princes of the Church", but that ship sailed long ago. When I mentioned my "many years of disappointment" in the previous post (#22), I probably should have said "many decades of disappointment" instead. A lot of us laity have been watching this drama for a long, long time.

* Those who are non-Catholics may not be aware that the laity have essentially no say in who their Church leadership is. One of the favored techniques of reactionary archbishops when it comes to "discipline" has been to appoint equally reactionary clerics to progressive parishes, particularly when it comes to those of the inner cities and campuses. UW-Madison went through such an experience a few years ago.

FakeNoose

(41,950 posts)
33. Oh my that IS disturbing
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 09:44 AM
Jul 2024

I'd thought a lot of those priests were weeded out by now. I was raised a Catholic, went to Catholics schools etc. but I hardly ever attend mass now, maybe once a year.

My son, daughter-in-law and grandson are far better Catholics than I, however they're in a liberal area of Manhattan NYC where many of the parishioners are immigrants. They became friends with the monsignor of their parish, Father Andrew, who is a wonderful pastor, but he just got reassigned to another parish and he had to leave. It was disappointing for everyone and it seemed so unfair. Father Andrew is fluent in Spanish and he built up attendance by having regular Spanish-language masses.

Since I live in Pittsburgh and have been here for many years, I don't believe any parish here would have regular Spanish-language services. Many of the old parishes are combining because there aren't enough priests to go around. And it's expensive trying to maintain the old buildings, while everyone goes to the nicer newer churches out in the suburbs.

I feel that the problems the Church started over 50 years ago, with the types of men who were recruited into the priesthood back in the 1960s and 70s.

keep_left

(3,213 posts)
37. In my experience, it's the other way around. The newer generation...
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 12:27 PM
Jul 2024

...of clergy (which isn't so new now, the ones who began coming into the church in the late '70s to the mid-'80s, approximately) absolutely detest the liberalizing of both the church (in part due to Vatican II) and the overall society since the '60s. They have been trying to turn it back ever since, especially in the area they can most readily affect that change: within the church. Add in all the Papal appointments and support for reactionaries, and you get what we have now. They also have a huge reactionary Catholic media empire that pushes the agenda 24/7 (EWTN, Relevant Radio, Ave Maria Radio, etc.).

Timeflyer

(3,772 posts)
13. The zombie that was Anthony Comstock must be destroyed.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:03 PM
Jul 2024

Book The Man Who Hated Women, by Amy Sohn, details the life of this horrible man who turned his religiously-inspired dread of female sexuality and his own "shameful urges" into a national law in 1873. He would be so proud to know that his neurotic personal weirdness still threatens women and inspires Talibangelicals to this day.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
16. Absolutely.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 06:07 PM
Jul 2024

Thank you so much for the history on it. I'd dread reading that book, but facing down hate & evil is important.

 
34. This Is How You Get People To Vote For Biden. Most
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 10:52 AM
Jul 2024

people I know don't like either candidate but the threat of an Autocrat and Project 2025 has us donating and canvassing for Biden. You can't replace Biden because it would be a disaster. It's a terrible idea. People hate Project 2025 once you explain and read it to them. Download the playbook and read it to potential voters. This is how you get to people. I don't vote because I like them. I don't like most politicians. I vote against Republicans because they are a threat against democracy.

dansolo

(5,387 posts)
35. Wouldn't the Comstock Act also require the banning of Viagra?
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 11:01 AM
Jul 2024

Of course this Supreme Court would probably find a way to treat it differently.

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
36. Sounds entirely logical, right? But as you say, when it's SCOTUS, one can be both above the law and exempt from the law,
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 11:20 AM
Jul 2024

landmark precedents be damned.

Kid Berwyn

(24,700 posts)
38. Mein Kampf 2025
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 01:36 PM
Jul 2024


Project 2025: The Plan To Seize Power by Gutting America’s System of Checks and Balances

Project 2025—and the budget plans it has spawned—would erode Americans’ personal freedoms and harm the middle class, starting by consolidating power in the presidency just as authoritarian governments have done in other countries around the world.


by Will Ragland and Joe Radosevich
Center for American Progress, July 8, 2024

This article is part of a series from the Center for American Progress exposing how the sweeping Project 2025 policy agenda would harm all Americans. This new authoritarian playbook, published by the Heritage Foundation, would destroy the 250-year-old system of checks and balances upon which U.S. democracy has relied and give far-right politicians, judges, and corporations more control over Americans’ lives.

The Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 is a road map for how a new far-right presidential administration can take over the country. The project contains four components: a 920-page book with far-right policy proposals, a personnel database of loyalists ready to replace tens of thousands of civil servants, a private online training center, and an unpublished plan for the first 180 days of a new administration.

Many of the proposals in Project 2025 are sweeping and would eliminate fundamental personal freedoms while cutting the take-home pay of millions of Americans. Unsurprisingly, Project 2025’s policies to increase taxes on the middle class, allow corporations to stop paying workers overtime, implement a national abortion ban, and raise the retirement age for Social Security are wildly unpopular.

That is why the most striking aspect of Project 2025 is a new strategy to gut the system of checks and balances that has long protected Americans’ personal freedoms. This strategy would concentrate power in the hands of the president—and set in motion a plan to flood the civil service with far-right loyalists to seize control of independent agencies. It is a playbook written for an authoritarian administration. This new vision would make it even harder for the American people to have a say in their government or oppose policies they disagree with.

The scope of Project 2025 is extensive. An ongoing series from the Center for American Progress unpacks specific proposals in Project 2025, from raising the cost of prescription drugs and restricting access to contraception, to slashing funding for early childhood and K-12 education. There are proposals to end civil rights protections, exploit the most vulnerable Americans, stop safeguards that protect clean drinking water, halt action to combat the climate crisis, and open the door to an unprecedented level of corruption at the expense of the public. Taken together, Project 2025 is a plan for a presidency focused on consolidating and holding on to power.

Many of the policies listed in the public 920-page agenda can be grouped into three core areas:

1.) Gut the U.S. system of checks and balances to consolidate power.
2.) Take away Americans’ fundamental personal freedoms.
3.) Raise costs on the middle class to give the wealthy billions.


SNIP...

Project 2025 would not stop with politicizing law enforcement. The plan eliminates the independence of agencies that protect consumers and ensure businesses can compete fairly in the economy, such as the Federal Trade Commission and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. It even proposes using the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as a surveillance network to monitor abortions nationwide in order to restrict reproductive freedom in states where abortion is currently legal.

CONTINUED...

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/project-2025-the-plan-to-seize-power-by-gutting-americas-system-of-checks-and-balances/

ancianita

(43,313 posts)
40. AMEN, KID. THANKS.
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 04:41 PM
Jul 2024

There will be no coming back from this except through the Joint Chiefs and US military. When there's no civil recourse for violating constitutional law against the population, a military coup to save the Constitution will have to happen, because the military will refuse to follow unlawful orders.

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