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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPROJECT 2025, PAGE 562, from Andrew Weissman
Project 2025 at page 562 calls for the enforcement of criminal laws for mailing abortion pills: "[e]very article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing which is advertised or described in a manner calculated to lead another to use or apply it for producing abortion. The same laws criminalize mailing anything intended to prevent conception. 18 USC 1461-62.

That page also lays out the criminal investigation of all DA's.
That page ends rule of law through one law.
With the current SCOTUS maga six injustices' help, Project 2025 will end America as we now know it.
TheProle
(4,001 posts)ancianita
(43,313 posts)
malaise
(296,879 posts)for visibility
eppur_se_muova
(42,117 posts)The whole GOP has become this weird alliance of wife beaters and incels.
kerry-is-my-prez
(10,300 posts)of the pharmacy. This was in Naples Fl - a very red city/county. Im sure theyll get a bunch of complaints and will end up having to remove it. Theres all females in the dept!
ancianita
(43,313 posts)Wounded Bear
(64,437 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,428 posts)We are at a crisis point, obviously. If we don't reverse the judicial system direction over the next 3-4 years with more judges the opportunity will be lost for a good 50-60 years.
Blue Full Moon
(3,549 posts)Needs to be repealed. Why wasnt it done years ago?
ancianita
(43,313 posts)https://www.senate.gov/senators/
Sorry, but I'm growing too tired to deal with them and am focusing on battleground donations and posting.
Blue Full Moon
(3,549 posts)Facebook has been saying that the posts are falsehoods.
ancianita
(43,313 posts)Their claims of false posts are themselves false posts. This is how corporate bot farms work.
Blue Full Moon
(3,549 posts)So that there is a way to combat the coverup being done. I think that the focus needs to be on this. Biden and Harris will be fine. Focus our energy on winning.
ancianita
(43,313 posts)I've not been able to get any online text of the P25 without paying for it, which I refuse to do. Best of luck!
Hekate
(100,133 posts)When I get home Ill check to see if someone has given you one & if not Ill check if mines still good
ancianita
(43,313 posts)but I think maybe you could download it and post on DU what you think is relevant? Because, seriously, we haven't gotten from media what the wise Weissman has caught, and that's the fine print saved at the end of the thing. And everyone here trusts your judgment.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)A guide to Project 2025, the extreme right-wing agenda for the next Republican administration
https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-foundation/guide-project-2025-extreme-right-wing-agenda-next-republican-administration
THIS IS WHAT I DOWNLOADED 900+ PAGES
A synopsis & guide to 920 pages:
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
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ancianita
(43,313 posts)A guide and a synopsis are not the exact text, I suppose, but I hope you'll be reading it and give some heads up on important content when/if you see it. I'll be reading it over tomorrow. I'm running out of gas with this Biden press conference.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)I even went to the dentist today to rule out a bad tooth (I have a history of abscesses with subtle symptoms) in part because I am so exhausted. The good news is: nothing they could see.
ancianita
(43,313 posts)Glad you got a good report from the dentist. That should bring to mind just how much this fight is a real sacrifice of our well being so that in the future there will be a healthier body politic left for our descendants to trust.
I hope you take breaks, naps, and breathe; so far, they're helping. In the next 117 days, we'll all have to find ways to physically, psychologically, even spiritually, persevere.
Blue Full Moon
(3,549 posts)White Christian nationalism is a powerful faction in Republican Party. Authentic Catholic teaching is not compatible with Christian nationalism. There is a moral danger in voting for a Republican president.
ancianita
(43,313 posts)Totally agree that Jesus Christians and their pastors of all denominations are against the christian nationalist framework of Project 2025.
keep_left
(3,213 posts)...clerics, the worst of them from places like Africa, the Philippines, and other countries ruled by very illiberal regimes and laws. The reactionaries in the Church have become quite sympathetic to illiberal societies, a direct result of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI who supported and appointed most of those reactionaries. This had many knock-on effects, including the fact that most of the seminaries are also now full of reactionaries. Many priests graduating from these seminaries are now so extreme that they sound like alt-right incels, and it is leading to huge conflicts with the laity when they are appointed to the more liberal parishes, particularly those in the inner cities. As a result, the church in America is headed for schism.
If you read carefully the article you cite, the NCR in fact admits that this is a serious problem. Unfortunately, the NCR tends to be overly optimistic about the future of liberalism and openness in the American church. I tip my cap to them for their hopefulness, but after many years of disappointment--including witnessing a campus ministry destroyed by these maniacs--I don't have the same outlook.
Blue Full Moon
(3,549 posts)Former ambassador to the United States. He had a lot of influence in the Republican Party. While yes there is issues in other countries I believe that the church distancing itself from him here is a good thing. He promoted conspiracies from the covid 19 to the great reset. He was behind pushing Kim Davis and arranging for her to greet the Pope. I suspect more.
keep_left
(3,213 posts)...and I'm not sure that Pope Francis has enough allies in the Church to do the kind of housecleaning that is required, and in fact is long overdue. By the way, about the "issues in other countries": I was not very clear in what I wrote. The problem is that reactionary clerics were supported and appointed throughout their careers, and so they climbed the ladder in the hierarchy. Many became bishops and cardinals. If these reactionaries remained in their home countries, it would be quite a different situation for us, but unfortunately, they find the social-climbing in Rome suits their fancy much more.
FakeNoose
(41,950 posts)... anyone who objects to this ultra-conservative nonsense has already left the Church.
keep_left
(3,213 posts)...who hold on, mostly at inner-city parishes. And when it comes to reactionary radtrad clerics being forced on us*, I have seen a number of parish revolts, and I've even witnessed a couple of parishes destroyed at the hands of these maniacs. One of them was a university student ministry. Since my own experience years ago, I read about yet another campus parish (probably in the pages of the NCR, in fact) that disintegrated in a nearly identical manner to the one I attended. The laity just isn't going to take the radtrad crap lying down anymore, not after as long as we've been putting up with it. The laity is usually better-educated and more articulate than the clergy, and the clergy know it. What the clergy really want is to still be "the princes of the Church", but that ship sailed long ago. When I mentioned my "many years of disappointment" in the previous post (#22), I probably should have said "many decades of disappointment" instead. A lot of us laity have been watching this drama for a long, long time.
* Those who are non-Catholics may not be aware that the laity have essentially no say in who their Church leadership is. One of the favored techniques of reactionary archbishops when it comes to "discipline" has been to appoint equally reactionary clerics to progressive parishes, particularly when it comes to those of the inner cities and campuses. UW-Madison went through such an experience a few years ago.
FakeNoose
(41,950 posts)I'd thought a lot of those priests were weeded out by now. I was raised a Catholic, went to Catholics schools etc. but I hardly ever attend mass now, maybe once a year.
My son, daughter-in-law and grandson are far better Catholics than I, however they're in a liberal area of Manhattan NYC where many of the parishioners are immigrants. They became friends with the monsignor of their parish, Father Andrew, who is a wonderful pastor, but he just got reassigned to another parish and he had to leave. It was disappointing for everyone and it seemed so unfair. Father Andrew is fluent in Spanish and he built up attendance by having regular Spanish-language masses.
Since I live in Pittsburgh and have been here for many years, I don't believe any parish here would have regular Spanish-language services. Many of the old parishes are combining because there aren't enough priests to go around. And it's expensive trying to maintain the old buildings, while everyone goes to the nicer newer churches out in the suburbs.
I feel that the problems the Church started over 50 years ago, with the types of men who were recruited into the priesthood back in the 1960s and 70s.
keep_left
(3,213 posts)...of clergy (which isn't so new now, the ones who began coming into the church in the late '70s to the mid-'80s, approximately) absolutely detest the liberalizing of both the church (in part due to Vatican II) and the overall society since the '60s. They have been trying to turn it back ever since, especially in the area they can most readily affect that change: within the church. Add in all the Papal appointments and support for reactionaries, and you get what we have now. They also have a huge reactionary Catholic media empire that pushes the agenda 24/7 (EWTN, Relevant Radio, Ave Maria Radio, etc.).
Timeflyer
(3,772 posts)Book The Man Who Hated Women, by Amy Sohn, details the life of this horrible man who turned his religiously-inspired dread of female sexuality and his own "shameful urges" into a national law in 1873. He would be so proud to know that his neurotic personal weirdness still threatens women and inspires Talibangelicals to this day.
ancianita
(43,313 posts)Thank you so much for the history on it. I'd dread reading that book, but facing down hate & evil is important.
Skittles
(172,164 posts)FakeNoose
(41,950 posts)The Blue Flower
(6,534 posts)Have they thought this through?
AfroWorldTraveler
(9 posts)people I know don't like either candidate but the threat of an Autocrat and Project 2025 has us donating and canvassing for Biden. You can't replace Biden because it would be a disaster. It's a terrible idea. People hate Project 2025 once you explain and read it to them. Download the playbook and read it to potential voters. This is how you get to people. I don't vote because I like them. I don't like most politicians. I vote against Republicans because they are a threat against democracy.
LetMyPeopleVote
(180,647 posts)dansolo
(5,387 posts)Of course this Supreme Court would probably find a way to treat it differently.
ancianita
(43,313 posts)landmark precedents be damned.
Kid Berwyn
(24,700 posts)
Project 2025: The Plan To Seize Power by Gutting Americas System of Checks and Balances
Project 2025and the budget plans it has spawnedwould erode Americans personal freedoms and harm the middle class, starting by consolidating power in the presidency just as authoritarian governments have done in other countries around the world.
by Will Ragland and Joe Radosevich
Center for American Progress, July 8, 2024
This article is part of a series from the Center for American Progress exposing how the sweeping Project 2025 policy agenda would harm all Americans. This new authoritarian playbook, published by the Heritage Foundation, would destroy the 250-year-old system of checks and balances upon which U.S. democracy has relied and give far-right politicians, judges, and corporations more control over Americans lives.
The Heritage Foundations Project 2025 is a road map for how a new far-right presidential administration can take over the country. The project contains four components: a 920-page book with far-right policy proposals, a personnel database of loyalists ready to replace tens of thousands of civil servants, a private online training center, and an unpublished plan for the first 180 days of a new administration.
Many of the proposals in Project 2025 are sweeping and would eliminate fundamental personal freedoms while cutting the take-home pay of millions of Americans. Unsurprisingly, Project 2025s policies to increase taxes on the middle class, allow corporations to stop paying workers overtime, implement a national abortion ban, and raise the retirement age for Social Security are wildly unpopular.
That is why the most striking aspect of Project 2025 is a new strategy to gut the system of checks and balances that has long protected Americans personal freedoms. This strategy would concentrate power in the hands of the presidentand set in motion a plan to flood the civil service with far-right loyalists to seize control of independent agencies. It is a playbook written for an authoritarian administration. This new vision would make it even harder for the American people to have a say in their government or oppose policies they disagree with.
The scope of Project 2025 is extensive. An ongoing series from the Center for American Progress unpacks specific proposals in Project 2025, from raising the cost of prescription drugs and restricting access to contraception, to slashing funding for early childhood and K-12 education. There are proposals to end civil rights protections, exploit the most vulnerable Americans, stop safeguards that protect clean drinking water, halt action to combat the climate crisis, and open the door to an unprecedented level of corruption at the expense of the public. Taken together, Project 2025 is a plan for a presidency focused on consolidating and holding on to power.
Many of the policies listed in the public 920-page agenda can be grouped into three core areas:
1.) Gut the U.S. system of checks and balances to consolidate power.
2.) Take away Americans fundamental personal freedoms.
3.) Raise costs on the middle class to give the wealthy billions.
SNIP...
Project 2025 would not stop with politicizing law enforcement. The plan eliminates the independence of agencies that protect consumers and ensure businesses can compete fairly in the economy, such as the Federal Trade Commission and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. It even proposes using the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as a surveillance network to monitor abortions nationwide in order to restrict reproductive freedom in states where abortion is currently legal.
CONTINUED...
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/project-2025-the-plan-to-seize-power-by-gutting-americas-system-of-checks-and-balances/
ancianita
(43,313 posts)There will be no coming back from this except through the Joint Chiefs and US military. When there's no civil recourse for violating constitutional law against the population, a military coup to save the Constitution will have to happen, because the military will refuse to follow unlawful orders.