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demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:41 PM Jul 2024

NEWS: Moments after President Biden concluded his news conference, House Intel top Democrat JIM HIMES calls on Biden to

NEWS: Moments after President Biden concluded his news conference, House Intel top Democrat JIM HIMES calls on Biden to step aside.

He calls Biden a “remarkable leader of unparalleled public service” but he no longer believes that Biden is the strongest candidate to beat Trump.






Be prepared, because there will likely be several more over the next few days:


Potentially dozens of Democrats expected to call on Biden to step aside after NATO conference

Four Democratic sources with knowledge tell CBS News that they expect dozens of Democratic lawmakers over the next 48 hours to issue statements calling for President Biden to step out of the race.

The planning is coordinated, and some of the statements are pre-written, according to two sources. And it's not clear that anything Mr. Biden says in his high-stakes press conference Thursday night could redirect the expected course of events.

House Democratic leadership has indicated to members that they should speak their minds, multiple sources told CBS News. One of those well-placed sources predicted that the next three to four days will be "brutal," and that it may become untenable by sometime next week for the president to continue in the race.

Congressional leaders aren't expected to publicly speak out themselves or to attempt a forced replacement of Mr. Biden, aiming to avoid a public break with the president out of respect. But there is also a recognition, as two sources put it, that public calls from leadership would trigger stubborn opposition from the president.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/potentially-dozens-of-democrats-expected-to-call-on-biden-to-step-aside-after-nato-conference/
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NEWS: Moments after President Biden concluded his news conference, House Intel top Democrat JIM HIMES calls on Biden to (Original Post) demmiblue Jul 2024 OP
Stop! LW1977 Jul 2024 #1
Don't tell us how great he is as you stick a knife in his back. spanone Jul 2024 #2
That's always such a nice touch. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #11
Biden addressed this situation tonight. Said MOMFUDSKI Jul 2024 #27
chill? spanone Jul 2024 #33
Best we can do is work as hard as we can to MOMFUDSKI Jul 2024 #48
Who do they want? I never see a name put out there WhiteTara Jul 2024 #3
I wonder if they have someone in mind. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #13
I have heard some call for Harris and call me stupid Bev54 Jul 2024 #38
I'm stupid too because I thought she is the back up replacement candidate. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #41
They're looking for the "Shiny New Object"... regnaD kciN Jul 2024 #39
Someone like Mark Warner nt Bookreadingliberal53 Jul 2024 #46
Warner does not have what is needed LiberalFighter Jul 2024 #49
He's boring JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #50
Un-f'ing- believable. Yeah, go get in a back room, Dems, and pick a new candidate -- an AWESOME candidate -- and then... lostnfound Jul 2024 #55
OK Jim, which DONOR(S) pledged to withhold money for your re-election no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #4
You don't think Himes district funds many Democrats, including Biden? dem4decades Jul 2024 #16
Ding ding ding not only him. FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #44
will he get a thank you note from trump? nt msongs Jul 2024 #5
YABB. dchill Jul 2024 #6
Mr. Himes: Who is the stronger candidate? Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #7
Read the room bro. Maybe he had it set to go out on an automatic timer. emulatorloo Jul 2024 #8
Trashing Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #9
Is it bad I've never heard of him? onandup Jul 2024 #10
Yes. dem4decades Jul 2024 #17
I've seen him on tv a few times as a guest oasis Jul 2024 #23
What a coward LW1977 Jul 2024 #12
What the hell?!?! PatSeg Jul 2024 #14
Jim WHO ?? DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #15
Ranking member on the Intelligence Committee, but what does he know? dem4decades Jul 2024 #22
If this is an example of his intelligence, then *some people* may ask DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #24
Do you know what he knows? dem4decades Jul 2024 #25
No-- I have no idea who his donors are. DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #26
Ever think that maybe he knows something that we don't? Polybius Jul 2024 #64
I'm sure there is "a reason" for it, DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #65
I don't want to suggest anything Polybius Jul 2024 #66
Yeah not a good try there. Kingofalldems Jul 2024 #18
Well then he gets a big side-eye Quiet Em Jul 2024 #19
So who is this individual that will magically appear and cruise to victory according to Himes? Freethinker65 Jul 2024 #20
None of the naysayers appear to have thought that far. LisaL Jul 2024 #31
This is just going to split our party Tree Lady Jul 2024 #21
It is not.................. Lovie777 Jul 2024 #28
They don't care Keepthesoulalive Jul 2024 #32
They obviously don't This is Carter Kennedy 1980 all over again. :facepalm: LW1977 Jul 2024 #35
Curious timing Diraven Jul 2024 #29
I think there's some coordination happening. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #37
Yes eye open piece I read on kos that Robert reich wrote FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #53
the trolls are here........................ Lovie777 Jul 2024 #30
Jim Himes who? ALBliberal Jul 2024 #34
ALL CAPS tells the tale. Kingofalldems Jul 2024 #36
Sometimes people can become trapped in the momentum of events Sympthsical Jul 2024 #40
What happened dem millionaires donor base cut off the party? FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #42
Do you recall soandso Jul 2024 #56
It was a written article by Robert Reich on daily kos. FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #62
NEW: Rep. Scott Peters becomes the 16th House Democrat calling for Biden to withdraw. "The stakes are high, and we are demmiblue Jul 2024 #43
Illinois Congressman Eric Sorensen calls on the president to drop his election bid demmiblue Jul 2024 #59
My representative. A good guy usually, but I am Not Happy with this statement. unblock Jul 2024 #45
Shove it, Himes Blue Owl Jul 2024 #47
So, "dozens" of elected Democrats are eager Bettie Jul 2024 #51
WOW! Another rich, white man Bettie Jul 2024 #52
He is already waiting in the MSNBC green room 😡 Blue Dotty Jul 2024 #54
Jim Himes can go fuck himself. GoCubsGo Jul 2024 #57
To quote Ms. Jasmine Crockett... littlemissmartypants Jul 2024 #58
They need to stop. He's clearly fit to serve and he won the primary krawhitham Jul 2024 #61
Doesn't matter to me. roamer65 Jul 2024 #63
 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
27. Biden addressed this situation tonight. Said
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:01 PM
Jul 2024

these people are worried about keeping their jobs in congress. Said he knows how things work. Intimated he ‘s been there . Chill

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
48. Best we can do is work as hard as we can to
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:22 PM
Jul 2024

re-elect this fine man. This is a hard time for Dems right now. Getting overwhelmed doesn’t help.

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
3. Who do they want? I never see a name put out there
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:43 PM
Jul 2024

just a vague generic democrat who isn't the current president and definitely not the black woman vp. I just checked to make sure my passport is in good order.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
38. I have heard some call for Harris and call me stupid
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:05 PM
Jul 2024

but I think she is already a candidate on the ticket.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
41. I'm stupid too because I thought she is the back up replacement candidate.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:08 PM
Jul 2024

That is what a VP is.

regnaD kciN

(27,639 posts)
39. They're looking for the "Shiny New Object"...
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:06 PM
Jul 2024

…who’ll embody every one of their own positions, but won’t have any track record they can be attacked on, while still having a long CV of achievements. And someone who’ll appeal to women and PoC, but not actually a woman or PoC (sorry, Kamala!), because that might upset the “working class white independents” we need to win.

lostnfound

(17,520 posts)
55. Un-f'ing- believable. Yeah, go get in a back room, Dems, and pick a new candidate -- an AWESOME candidate -- and then...
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:32 PM
Jul 2024

Figure out how you’re going to build enough support in 4 months and THEN figure out how you’re going to make up for lost votes from black women and black men who are pissed off that you bypassed Kamala Harris and THEN figure out how many Democrats who love Biden will come out and vote for president but NOT vote for the 16 democrats in the House who are now pushing Biden to back out. And when these backstabbers lose their seats over this — and the democrats lose the congress because of it — WTF is their plan THEN??

no_hypocrisy

(54,906 posts)
4. OK Jim, which DONOR(S) pledged to withhold money for your re-election
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:43 PM
Jul 2024

if you didn't call on Joe Biden to "step aside"?

dem4decades

(14,057 posts)
16. You don't think Himes district funds many Democrats, including Biden?
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:47 PM
Jul 2024

I'd think this goes deeper than Himes just thinking about himself.

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
7. Mr. Himes: Who is the stronger candidate?
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:43 PM
Jul 2024

Please name some names.

Show me the polling numbers.

oasis

(53,693 posts)
23. I've seen him on tv a few times as a guest
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:53 PM
Jul 2024

spokesman on various issues. He’s quite learned and articulate.
However, he laid an egg this time. BIGLY!

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
15. Jim WHO ??
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:47 PM
Jul 2024

Sorry, never heard of him before tonight,
and neither has about 98 percent of the American people...

I no longer believe that Jim Who is the strongest candidate for Democrats in his congressional district.

Perhaps he should consider stepping aside....





 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
24. If this is an example of his intelligence, then *some people* may ask
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:54 PM
Jul 2024

if he's on the wrong committee...




Polybius

(21,900 posts)
64. Ever think that maybe he knows something that we don't?
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 11:13 PM
Jul 2024

He's very well respected, there must be a reason for this.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
65. I'm sure there is "a reason" for it,
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 11:19 PM
Jul 2024

but I can't think of a GOOD one from where I'm standing....
because I am standing with Joe.

He may have been "very well respected" in the party caucus,
but I suspect he will be a little bit less "well respected" after tonight...

and I still never heard of him before tonight, so my first impression is quite negative.



What would YOU suggest that "he knows" ???

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
66. I don't want to suggest anything
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 11:25 PM
Jul 2024

Some things are best left unspoken here. Let's just wait it out.

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
20. So who is this individual that will magically appear and cruise to victory according to Himes?
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 08:50 PM
Jul 2024

Diraven

(1,898 posts)
29. Curious timing
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:02 PM
Jul 2024

He must have had this prepared in advance assuming Biden would bomb in the presser. I guess he didn't actually watch it.

FloridaBlues

(4,668 posts)
53. Yes eye open piece I read on kos that Robert reich wrote
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:28 PM
Jul 2024

About Dem billionaires withholding $$ because they got shook about Biden. Let me know what you think.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
40. Sometimes people can become trapped in the momentum of events
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:06 PM
Jul 2024

And it's beginning to feel like this is one of those times.

I have no frame of reference with which to analyze this. Still trying to get my mind around around the idea that a faction of a party want to risk a political civil war against a sitting president four months before an election.

It's pretty singular and historic if what is reported actually turns out to be the case. And something is clearly up. Pelosi, Jefferies, and Schumer have all been behaving strangely all week long. I think when Congress returned, a lot more was said in those meetings than has leaked publicly.

Tomorrow will be interesting.

FloridaBlues

(4,668 posts)
42. What happened dem millionaires donor base cut off the party?
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:09 PM
Jul 2024

Is that who is running this shit show from behind the scenes? Don’t be surprised if we read about it soon. Maybe that’s why Joe said the he didn’t care about money elites are saying on morning Joe.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
56. Do you recall
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:48 PM
Jul 2024

who started this? I can't remember who the first was to start this shit. On July 4th, though, this was tweeted:


FloridaBlues

(4,668 posts)
60. It was a written article by Robert Reich on daily kos.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 10:10 PM
Jul 2024

Very interesting about Dem donnors withholding $$ due to being shook about Biden performance at debate. Than all this began with congress bolting.
And we think it was up to voters but the no money shook than more.

Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #42)

demmiblue

(39,720 posts)
43. NEW: Rep. Scott Peters becomes the 16th House Democrat calling for Biden to withdraw. "The stakes are high, and we are
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:11 PM
Jul 2024
NEW: Rep. Scott Peters becomes the 16th House Democrat calling for Biden to withdraw.

"The stakes are high, and we are on a losing course. My conscience requires me to speak up," he says.

Prominent figure among the moderate House Democrats.






people?!

unblock

(56,198 posts)
45. My representative. A good guy usually, but I am Not Happy with this statement.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:17 PM
Jul 2024

The timing is particularly frustrating. Joe did quite well tonight, so himes releasing this statement now sends the message that his mind is closed and literally nothing Biden can do will change it.

So at this point, he's just sabotaging Biden's campaign to try to close off the solution he, for whatever reason, doesn't like.

This does not sit well with me at all.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
51. So, "dozens" of elected Democrats are eager
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:24 PM
Jul 2024

to lose the election? Neat. I bet that'll be fun for them, but not so much for us ordinary people.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
52. WOW! Another rich, white man
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 09:26 PM
Jul 2024

calls for our President to step down.

I bet all of them thiink that THEY would be the best to replace him.

littlemissmartypants

(33,585 posts)
58. To quote Ms. Jasmine Crockett...
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 10:02 PM
Jul 2024

He got his "five minutes of fame" and I say...to Himes...
Bye Felicia.


Confirmation bias

Confirmation bias (also confirmatory bias, myside bias,[a] or congeniality bias[2]) is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.[3] People display this bias when they select information that supports their views, ignoring contrary information, or when they interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing attitudes. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs.

Biased search for information, biased interpretation of this information, and biased memory recall, have been invoked to explain four specific effects:
1. attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence)[4]
2. belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false)[5]
3. the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series)[6]
4. illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).[7]

A series of psychological experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives.[8] Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another proposal is that people show confirmation bias because they are pragmatically assessing the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

Flawed decisions due to confirmation bias have been found in a wide range of political, organizational, financial and scientific contexts. These biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. For example, confirmation bias produces systematic errors in scientific research based on inductive reasoning (the gradual accumulation of supportive evidence). Similarly, a police detective may identify a suspect early in an investigation, but then may only seek confirming rather than disconfirming evidence. A medical practitioner may prematurely focus on a particular disorder early in a diagnostic session, and then seek only confirming evidence. In social media, confirmation bias is amplified by the use of filter bubbles, or "algorithmic editing", which display to individuals only information they are likely to agree with, while excluding opposing views.
More...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


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krawhitham

(5,072 posts)
61. They need to stop. He's clearly fit to serve and he won the primary
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 10:15 PM
Jul 2024

Only thing that matters is if he is fit to serve

That's it

He won the primary, and is clearly fit to serve. You can't undo the voters will and keep a democracy

Buyer's remorse because you're afraid he might not lose, it DOES NOT MATTER


He will get the needed delegates. So all this is doing is weakening him for the General

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
63. Doesn't matter to me.
Thu Jul 11, 2024, 10:36 PM
Jul 2024

I’m pulling the straight ticket D lever in November no matter what.

I fucking hate fascists. Death to them all.

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