The wealthy white males in this country would rather have fascism than a woman POTUS.

[onecaliberal]

They have stripped our rights to healthcare, essentially handing down death sentences for pregnancy complications. They have destroyed this country and everything it stands for.
Now they want to steal millions of legal votes. This party will not be the same. I will NEVER trust these people again.

[TheSocialDem]

1. ...People who are voting for Trump anyway. Nt.

[onecaliberal]

4. No. Dem congressmen are not voting for Trump. Supposedly.

[TheSocialDem]

9. The assumption that these lifelong elected dems

Have some secret or nefarious end game in mind is too much for me to believe. I think they honestly, like myself, want to keep from the presidency and from this country to turn fascist. The fact that so many here dismiss any thought that the best path to victory in November might not be through Biden is wild to me.

[onecaliberal]

12. The fact that arrogant white men think they can steal millions of votes is off the fucking chartS

Where were all these worries over the last 6 months? I’m sorry I’m just not that naive.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

20. Who are these white men you're talking about?

[LisaL]

14. I haven't heard any plan to victory coming out of them.

NT

[TheSocialDem]

19. Kamala nt.

[LisaL]

23. Really?

If they are asking Biden to step down because of polls, show me evidence that she does much better than Biden being on top of the ticket.

[Srkdqltr]

2. Well, ya. Duh.

[Silent Type]

3. If it comes down to it, Harris/Whitmer ticket might well kick some serious MAGAt rearends.

[Bettie]

5. Not a chance that the wealthy donors

choose Harris or any other woman for either role.

They very likely have two pasty white, but very wealthy men in the wings who have pledged to ensure that their tax bills go down and that they won't ever even suggest that they want to help the middle class or, god forbid, the poor!

Then, they will lose, because the oligarchs chose to give up the advantage of incumbency and replaced our primary votes with thier own fantasy sportsball league.

[Silent Type]

8. Pretty sure you are wrong, but I'm positive most want to beat trump.

[Bettie]

11. They want a white man

who wants to give them tax cuts in office.

Biden's biggest sin is that he cares about people who don't have millions or billions. He cares about ordinary people and that is unacceptable to the donor class. This becomes more obvious every single day.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

22. Then why did they all support him in 2020?

I can't follow the story here.

[Bettie]

24. Because they thought he'd do as he was told.

and be a centrist with little care for the middle class/poor. That he'd toe the line for the status quo and never, ever step out of the lines the wealthy donor class prefer. Instead, he advocated for US, the people who aren't millionaires and billionaires.

He stood with unions, visibly. Usually they give lip service to that and do what business interests want.

There are other examples, but you seem to have made your choice against the President.

But please, do tell me how getting a magical unicorn candidate works, logistically.

[gab13by13]

27. You make a lot of sense,

They use the tale that Democrats must run moderates to win is the simple explanation. Joe turned out to be a successful progressive.

I saw the same thing happen in my state of Pennsylvania, the top brass Democrats were saying that we needed to nominate the moderate candidate Conor Lamb, were told that John Fetterman couldn't win. What is happening in the presidency is similar.

It is telling because these big donors have someone in mind and it isn't Kamala Harris, she has been on fire campaigning for women's and minority rights. Joe's campaign is being sabotaged by Democrats, who had that on his/her bingo card?

[Bettie]

28. It sure wasn't on my Bingo card

some Democrats seem to be eager to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, because some rich dudes want that.

[Sympthsical]

6. No one in the Democratic party is stealing votes

People need to knock this sort of language off. People can't complain about the good of the party then bust out the mallet and wedge.

The people who bothered to show up for a non-competitive primary voted for delegates to the convention. Those delegates are going to the convention.

Just as people voted for them to do.

What happens at that convention, if the President releases those delegates, etc. Who knows? I don't know anymore. Neither do you.

But what you voted for - delegates at the convention - you are getting no matter what.

Nothing is being stolen, democracy is not being undone. Political pressure does not have any kind of magical legal force. The President and the party will figure out whatever it is they're currently figuring out right now.

And then the delegate you voted for will do whatever it is they're going to do.

[LisaL]

10. The delegates are going to vote for Biden.

He isn't planning to release them, and they are sticking by him.

[Sympthsical]

16. Then there's no point to this argument then, is there?

[LisaL]

21. It certainly looks that way.

He has enough delegates that all are going to pick him.
He can ignore the noise and naysayers.

[Maru Kitteh]

25. Biden said yesterday the delegates are free to vote their conscience. nt

[DemocraticPatriot]

18. The delegates we elected, were elected with the understanding that they would vote

for President Biden as the Democratic presidential nominee.


Those who are now suggesting that the delegates should vote for some *other* nominee
are at least attempting to NEGATE our votes,
if you object to the word "steal".... an equally unacceptable act, IMHO.

The primaries were in fact 'contested',
even if the other candidates proved to be 'non-competitive'.

They were 'non-competitive' because their messages got no traction....
One of those messages was "President Biden is old."

[BlueCheeseAgain]

7. Who are you talking about?

I'm confused.

[alarimer]

13. Some of this is corporate pushback

Biden is too pro-union, so the corporate types want him out of the way so they can reverse everything.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

15. How does calling for a white man to step down ...

... mean that they don't want a woman POTUS, when the most likely successor is a woman?

Not to mention a number of those calling for Joe to step down aren't white or men.

[MOMFUDSKI]

26. Well put.

We just can’t have rich, white, privileged men having to walk around with shriveled nuts.