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marmar

(80,036 posts)
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:09 PM Dec 2012

The Bradley Manning Case and Our Decade of Denial


Seamus McKiernan
Associate Blog Editor, The Huffington Post

The Bradley Manning Case and Our Decade of Denial


For nearly three years, Bradley Manning, the 24-year-old army private accused of leaking classified documents, has been denied the right to speak in public. He got his chance this week in a Fort Meade, Md. courtroom, but the long denial reminded me of a short story called "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas," by Ursula K. Le Guin. It's a fictional tale about villagers who enjoy total happiness and bliss as long as they keep quiet about a boy who's locked up in a dark, underground cellar. The denial that haunts the pages of "Omelas" is also at the center of the government's case against Bradley Manning.

Manning has been in the dark for more than 900 days -- with most of that time spent in solitary confinement. It is the longest pre-trial detention of a U.S. military soldier since the Vietnam War. The extreme conditions of Manning's detention have been widely reported. A Navy psychiatrist who treated Manning testified that his medical recommendations were consistently ignored by commanders. A UN investigation last spring described Manning's conditions as "cruel" and "inhuman."

Like any allegory, the "Omelas"-Manning comparison isn't perfect. Unlike the boy in the story, Bradley Manning may not be innocent. But if there's a strong case against Manning, what accounts for the delay in due process and the extreme conditions of his detention? If the Obama administration believes in protecting whistleblowers, as it codified in new whistleblower-protection legislation that Obama signed this week, why is Bradley Manning's case being treated so differently?

The answer lies in the perceived power of denial. Instead of confronting revelations in the leaked material -- which includes thousands of intelligence documents and diplomatic cables -- the government has chosen to focus its efforts on punishing the suspected leaker. .................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seamus-mckiernan/bradley-manning-trial_b_2225114.html



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The Bradley Manning Case and Our Decade of Denial (Original Post) marmar Dec 2012 OP
Manning spending the rest of his life in prison is too good for him n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #1
wow. Earth_First Dec 2012 #4
The only thing that is unreal is idiots idolizing this traitor. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #5
We know. We know. You're either with us, or you're against us, right? marmar Dec 2012 #9
You either think or flow with the sheep RomneyLies Dec 2012 #10
ROFL...Umm, okay. marmar Dec 2012 #11
Glad you agree wiht me now. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #12
That's ironic coming from the person spouting military propaganda about oaths and orders. white_wolf Dec 2012 #15
Baaaaaa Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #19
Of course nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #33
One question Lordquinton Dec 2012 #37
A leaker is not a whistle blower. randome Dec 2012 #2
Daniel Ellsberg, the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers, disagrees with you. white_wolf Dec 2012 #8
Understandable. I disagree with him. randome Dec 2012 #13
Ellsberg was a reporter? Um. No. I suggest you do some research. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #20
Yes, I had it wrong. He was a military analyst. randome Dec 2012 #23
And yet Ellsberg does not make that distinction and considers Manning a hero. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #28
Yes, Ellsberg worked for the Daily Planet. jerseyjack Dec 2012 #31
Ellsberg was a government employee who had access JDPriestly Dec 2012 #35
Speaking of denial. See the two posters above me. white_wolf Dec 2012 #3
I KNOW the U.S. has committed horrible crimes. randome Dec 2012 #6
How does it stand? tama Dec 2012 #14
A leaker is not a whistle blower. randome Dec 2012 #18
Oooh foreign national. Ooh, scary. Actually he turned over the info to a global free press. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #21
I understand what you are trying to say. May I ask a couple of questions? Bonobo Dec 2012 #22
Sure. randome Dec 2012 #25
Manning was, and likely is, emotionally disurbed. randome Dec 2012 #26
Thank you for your answers. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #27
"He suffers from gender identity disorder." JDPriestly Dec 2012 #36
He suffers from being confused as to gender. randome Dec 2012 #40
You are referring tama Dec 2012 #29
In a civilized country, Manning's pre-trial treatment PDJane Dec 2012 #7
You know I thought we had this little thing called the 8th amendment... white_wolf Dec 2012 #16
k/r Solly Mack Dec 2012 #17
Mess with the bull you get the horns Egnever Dec 2012 #24
Manning is NO whistleblower railsback Dec 2012 #30
This piece reminds me of a question I asked early on Canuckistanian Dec 2012 #32
This is NOT a "Black and White" issue. NashvilleLefty Dec 2012 #34
Manning and Assange removed the "I knew nothing" defense of those who protect murderers. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #38
On the issues of the crimes leaked, Manning's leaking, and Assange's publishing of those crimes, snot Dec 2012 #39
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. Of course
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:37 AM
Dec 2012
because we know he put whole legions at risk...oh wait, not even the prosecution is saying that.

By the way, I know you got me on ignore but this has to be said...he s being prosecuted out of high embarrassment of what it revealed, including war crimes.

But hey, in your eyes Daniel Ellsberg should have been shot as well, and Mai Lai never happended either.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. A leaker is not a whistle blower.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:14 PM
Dec 2012

Handing hundreds of thousands of classified documents over to a foreign national -without review- is not the same at all.

white_wolf

(6,257 posts)
8. Daniel Ellsberg, the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers, disagrees with you.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:19 PM
Dec 2012

I'll take his opinion over yours.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. Understandable. I disagree with him.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:25 PM
Dec 2012

Ellsberg was an investigative reporter who ferreted out facts. Manning gave hundreds of thousands of documents to a foreign national. I see a clear difference.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. Yes, I had it wrong. He was a military analyst.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:56 PM
Dec 2012

Still, he gathered the facts and compiled the Pentagon Papers. That's not at all on the same level of what Manning did.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
28. And yet Ellsberg does not make that distinction and considers Manning a hero.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:20 AM
Dec 2012

Ellsberg did a remarkable brave act that (and I remember) resulted in gross character assassination and many calls by pundits and citizens like you for his prosecution (and even the death penalty) under the Espionage Act. Nixon tried and failed, thank fucking hank.

I was proud, as a youth, to have stood with Ellsberg. I was proud to stand with Howard Zinn & Noam Chomsky in rejecting Nixon's vision of an authoritarian state and allowing, not only the freedom to reveal what our government does in our name, but the right for any journalistic organization to publish that information.

I am not narrow minded enough to think that Manning needs to be a mirror of Ellsberg. I am as broadminded as Ellsberg to recognize that Manning did a remarkable brave thing and that he deserves support from, not only from American heroes like Ellsberg, from little ol' people like me.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
35. Ellsberg was a government employee who had access
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:49 AM
Dec 2012

to secret intelligence documents. He surreptitiously copied the documents and arranged for their publication. Ellsberg had a high security clearance and was trusted with national security secrets.

white_wolf

(6,257 posts)
3. Speaking of denial. See the two posters above me.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:16 PM
Dec 2012

They would rather hide behind oaths and orders than confront the truth that the U.S. has committed horrible crimes.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
14. How does it stand?
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:33 PM
Dec 2012

As you are giving more legitimacy to the horribly criminal entity than to an exposer of those crimes (jailed and tortured by the criminal entity).

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. A leaker is not a whistle blower.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:42 PM
Dec 2012

The video of a helicopter shooting people in Iraq has more than one interpretation. If you think those specific individuals are guilty of war crimes, then someone needs to make the case. Manning made NO case. He simply gave that video and hundreds of thousands of unreviewed documents to a foreign national.

Even if everyone was to agree that the helicopter shooting constituted a war crime, it has absolutely no impact on Bush and the gaggle of buffoons who led us to invade a country that did us no wrong.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
21. Oooh foreign national. Ooh, scary. Actually he turned over the info to a global free press.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:55 PM
Dec 2012

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
22. I understand what you are trying to say. May I ask a couple of questions?
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:56 PM
Dec 2012

1. Manning does not have any "standing" for making a "case" as you put it. He was in a privileged position to be able to access information not available to most people and so he released it. How is that NOT blowing a whistle? Simply because he did not, himself, pour through it all?

2. You seem to feel that if Manning had gone through all the documents and picked and chosen what "case" he wanted to present, then THAT would make the difference between him being a "leaker" and being a "whistleblower". Can you understand why that difference toes not mean much to the rest of us? Maybe as a military man, you are focusing on some concept of secrets that need to be kept and so you tend to condemn him for revealing them while the rest of us are focusing on the crimes that are being kept secret so we tend to focus on them and laud him for revealing them. Make sense?

3. Do you not see why it is important to protect people who reveal hidden crimes being perpetrated by the govt.?

4. Do you agree that soldiers should NOT follow orders that they know to be immoral?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. Sure.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:02 AM
Dec 2012

1. There are very specific yet wide-ranging avenues to avail oneself of Whistle Blower protection. You don't give information to a foreign national like Assange.

2. By dumping those hundreds of thousands of documents to Assange, he could easily have put soldiers' lives at risk. As far as I know, that didn't happen but we may never know if that's the case or not. And it's a piss-poor risk to take if the objective is to reveal war crimes. Why risk the lives of soldiers who had nothing to do with the alleged war crime?

3. OF COURSE it's important to protect whistle blowers. That's why we have such things as whistle blower protection acts, an enhancement of which Obama signed recently.

4. Yes, I definitely agree that soldiers should not follow orders that are immoral. So far as I know, Manning was not ordered to do anything immoral.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
26. Manning was, and likely is, emotionally disurbed.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:10 AM
Dec 2012

He suffers from gender identity disorder. He assaulted a superior officer and he was found huddled in a fetal position on the floor after having carved the words 'I want' into a chair with a knife.

That state of mind is definitely NOT the right state of mind to be making decisions about dumping classified information.

His superiors are also culpable in this as they put him in a position where this could occur when they should have known better.

I think he needs to be sentenced but shown some leniency.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
36. "He suffers from gender identity disorder."
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:51 AM
Dec 2012

Do you mean he "suffers" from being gay?

What in the world are you talking about?

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
29. You are referring
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 12:26 AM
Dec 2012

to arbitrary legal definitions of a state that you admit is horribly criminal and using those arbitrary definitions to justify the horrible treatment of a fellow human being who has spoken truth to power about the crimes. In other words you are replacing your conscience and compassion with loyalty to criminal entity. How does that make you different from mafia loyalist?

white_wolf

(6,257 posts)
16. You know I thought we had this little thing called the 8th amendment...
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:39 PM
Dec 2012

but I guess that was thrown out along with the 1st, 4th, and 5th.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
24. Mess with the bull you get the horns
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:57 PM
Dec 2012

I have a hard time having any sympathy for this guy.

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
30. Manning is NO whistleblower
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:11 AM
Dec 2012

I wish people would stop tying this punk to people who put their lives on the line, knowing full well that what they're doing is the right thing to do. As the Manning correspondences show, this was just a sad little kid seeking attention.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
32. This piece reminds me of a question I asked early on
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:31 AM
Dec 2012

Why the delay in bringing the trial and the Manning's defence?

I know that Manning's counsel has put forth many motions before the trial, but Jesus, these should have been dealt with long ago.

If the charges are SO egregious and SO cut and dried, why the delay?

What it tells me is that the administration is not so interested in the "whistleblower" aspect so much as the desire to illegally PUNISH Manning.

Let the man speak. And if he has something damaging to say, then so be it. We all know he's losing his freedom whatever happens here.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
38. Manning and Assange removed the "I knew nothing" defense of those who protect murderers.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:16 AM
Dec 2012

Of course, those that believe that the people in a democracy should not know what their government does are frightened and are trying (vainly) to silence those who would expose the corruption of the DOD, "intelligence community", the bankers and the politicians.

snot

(11,848 posts)
39. On the issues of the crimes leaked, Manning's leaking, and Assange's publishing of those crimes,
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:21 AM
Dec 2012

. . . and on the issues of the U.S.'s subsequent persecution of the leaker and publisher of its crimes,
I stand with Manning and Assange.

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