Lest We Forget: Nicolle Wallace was the Communications Director for George W. Bush

[Joinfortmill]

And it's been showing the past couple of days with her constant drumbeat about people inside and outside of politics wanting Joe Biden to abandon the race. She does this without any commentary regarding the very real risks that exist, if Joe abandons the race, for Trump to win and for our democracy to come crashing down.

Color me disappointed.

[JI7]

1. There ARE people calling for him to resign

What does her reporting that have to do with working for Bush ?

[Funtatlaguy]

7. Wasn't Joy Reid fairly anti gay at one time?

[DURHAM D]

45. No

She just tried to explain the impact of men on the down-low.
It didn't work.

[Funtatlaguy]

46. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/28/joy-reid-apology-lgbt-blog-posts-559178

[Sympthsical]

49. She was out there saying gay men were predators and pedophiles

Source: Am gay man, and I never forget when a prominent media figure slurs us.

I brought it up once a year or two ago, I think, and got juried for my efforts. I guess because a favorite media personality is more important than a dangerous and deadly slur against our community.

And we initially got a non-apology for it with a weak and unbelievable "I was hacked!" spiel.

Pissed me off then. Pisses me off now.

I'm willing to accept that people can evolve on issues - if we cannot encourage people to change for the better and forgive them when they do, then what are we all doing here?

But some people keep claiming it never happened and try to gaslight LGBTers about it. That I won't accept. It happened. She did come around. And I'm willing to leave it alone now. But I won't be told it never happened by her fans.

[markpkessinger]

50. Thank you . . .

. . . from another gay man with a long memory!

[JI7]

8. So what ? She has been very anti Trump

Why the need for conspiracy theories and ulterior motives that make no sense ?

It's fucking Democrats calling for him to resign but nicole mentioning that has to do worn working for Bush ? It just makes no sense.

I get being upset with how media is reporting it but it's happening everywhere.

[madaboutharry]

15. In fairness, Nicolle was so alarmed by Sarah Palin's stupidity

that she did not vote in the 2008 election, She said she was so traumatized by the experience that she had to see a therapist.

I think Nicolle Wallace is coming from a place where it doesn't matter who is on the democratic ticket. She will vote for whoever is nominated. She has said as much herself.

[GreenWave]

16. This is how MSNBC rolls with soft and gentle repug retreads.

When did they punch back hard at T?

e.g. If he had tried that in one of those dictatorships he so worships he would have been summarily shot.

[Deminpenn]

24. Wasn't Maddow a Republican when she was younger?

nt

[live love laugh]

4. The OP explained it ...

she does this without any commentary regarding the very real risks that exist, if Joe abandons the race, for Trump to win and for our democracy to come crashing down.

[JI7]

9. The entire media and Democrats themselves aren't mentioning this

[live love laugh]

11. It's expected that known untrustworthy hosts would do that.

It’s quite the opposite when a deceitful person has acted sympathetically and then shows they aren’t.

[JI7]

19. This is such bs but for some reason there is a need to believe in conspiracy

[bullimiami]

13. I prefer reporting without commentary.

I’m tired of being told what to think.
And I’d really rather not hear a reporters opinion.
I’m pretty much over all these news ‘shows’ and the entire current news format.
I’m dying for someone to return to early days of cnn. Facts, digging up more facts, reporting stories from around the world.
Not 24/7 whateverthefuck and their panels of guests opining about this weeks shiny object.

Yes I don’t forget her past but she has been pretty pragmatic and as not prone to sensationalism as some others.

[live love laugh]

14. It's called context. And it's needed. Furthermore she's been adding it.

So why not now?

[DiamondShark]

44. Good point.

That makes it even more important for us to support Joe Biden every chance we get. Drown out the hyperbole and negative remarks against him.

[live love laugh]

2. And people here trust her. I said a long time ago she is not trustworthy.

[Scrivener7]

36. I think she's wrong on this. But I trust that she's not bought off or corrupt.

I completely disagree with her on this and wish she'd shut the hell up, but that's a different story.

[Funtatlaguy]

5. I think her husband, NYTIMES reporter Michael Schmidt,

might be influencing a lot of her thoughts on this situation.

[JI7]

10. That makes more than saying it's becsuse she worked for Bush

[jimfields33]

33. I could see her MAYBE being more "republican" if the candidate was anybody but trump.

No way does Nicole want to see trump president ever again! So I sincerely believe she’s just giving the news.

[Doc Sportello]

30. My thoughts exactly

He's firmly planted in the beltway club.

[jmbar2]

6. She's married to, and platforms her NYT husband Mike Schmidt

I think she is genuinely afraid of fascism as we all are, but just doesn't realize the risk of joining in on the Biden pile-on. For that reason, I cannot watch her anymore.

[karynnj]

12. It would have been interesting if whemn she and others spoke 9f how Trump could never

have spoken on international policy, she would have said that neither could GWB. We all saw him have a very tough time on his first debate. She is genuinely appalled by Trump and is open that she has "lost" her party.

The other thing about her is she is married to NYT reporter, Mike Schmidt.

As to Biden, if the concern was cognitive powers, as underwhelming as the debate was, a look at the transcript would have shown he was fluid and very knowledgeable. The problem was more he looked old, fragile and exhausted.

Biden is correct that what he does every day acts as a cognitive test. ( He has had neurological tests that his doctor said were normal). The cognitive test that Trump speaks of is essentially a screening test given most often if deficits seem likely. His answers show he has taken initiative on some very tricky problems. On some, like Israel, yesterday he did an amazing job of explaining the problem in such a way that he didn't jeopardize his role pushing both sides toward a ceasefire. On this issue alone, he demonstrates every skill you would want to see. If it fails, it is not that the US did not do every thing they could, but that there might be no common ground findable for the two sides.

[gab13by13]

17. Attacks on Nicolle are self-defeating

No one on cable news has taken on TSF more than Nicolle Wallace. If it weren't for her show I would be so uninformed right now.

She has guests on her show that get it.

She made the decision to do a segment every Wednesday with Marc Elias to talk about how Magats are trying to steal the election. Name me one other cable news show that does that? Marc Elias has explained how Magats are trying to steal the election and what they will do if TSF loses. I guess that is being un-Democratic of Nicolle explaining bad stuff to us. She is just scaring us and she should just bury her head in the sand and talk about GOTV every show for 2 hours.

When Nancy Pelosi was asked if Joe should stay in the race, what was her answer? Wasn't it a similar answer to what Nicolle has said? It's up to Joe was not a yes. When do we start attacking Pelosi?

[JI7]

20. Exactly

[GoreWon2000]

55. Nicole Wallace's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

She's in no position to criticize tRump about election stealing. She worked for Jeb Bush in 1999 and 2000 when the now infamous "felon purge" was going on which illegally removed more than 50,000 mostly African American democrats from Florida's voting rolls. Then, during the Florida 2000 election dispute she transferred to W's election theft crowd and help to spread the big lie that all of the votes in Florida had been counted and recounted. That was never true. Several hundred thousand legally cast Florida votes from 2000 still sit uncounted in the Florida archives. Nicole Wallace is the worst kind of hypocrite. I've never watched her MSNBC show and I never will.

[ScratchCat]

18. She's never fooled me

She's a conservative who fell out of favor with her party just like most of the other talking head personalities on air and is an opportunist trying to pretend she's anything other than a conservative. Yeh, she may have some concerns, and she may be a "never Trumper", but she's no progressive and a I suspect she has checked a straight (R) ticket in every election.

[gab13by13]

21. What was she trying to fool you about?

Where do you go to get your news?

[gab13by13]

22. Marc Elias talked about just winning 3 lawsuits in 3 states,

Anyone else other than me hear about this? They were lawsuits regarding Magats trying to steal the election.

Let me know if you want to know or care about these lawsuits and I will tell you what day and what segment of Nicolle Wallace's show you can go to to learn the information.

[SocialDemocrat61]

23. I actually think that her attitude towards Biden

is more shaped by her husband, Michael S. Schmidt, who works for the New York Times.

[gab13by13]

28. What attitude?

Nicolle Wallace said basically the same thing that Nancy Pelosi said.

"It's up to the president to decide if he is going to run. We are all encouraging him to make that decision because time is running short," Pelosi told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Wednesday. "He's beloved, he's respected, and people want him to make that decision."

Asked about Biden already making it clear he intends to run, Pelosi again suggested that there is a still a decision to be made.

Should we boycott Nancy? I want to do the right thing. Who is influencing Pelosi? Am I wrong to post what Pelosi said?

I don't know why members of the Democratic party turned on Joe. It alarms me, disgusts me, but it is real. The Democratic party needs to do something to be totally united.

[SocialDemocrat61]

31. Read the OP

[gab13by13]

40. I read the OP and I watch Nicolle

and I do not see a drum beat made by Nicolle for Joe to leave the race. I have not seen one quote of Nicolle's on this thread.

I watch freespeechtv.org in the morning, so where should I get my news after 12 PM? I want to do the right thing.

Can I still watch the Marc Elias segment on Nicolle's show on Wednesdays? I can't get that news anywhere else.

[shrike3]

48. But he already has. How many times does he have to say it?

I'm not blaming you. I'm just venting.

[bottomofthehill]

25. Her attitude is based on fear

She has consistently been the harshest of Trump critics. She has been the best show on tv for 5 years running (sorry Rachel fans) She is also smart enough to know that she is fucked if the Trump retribution tour starts on 1/20. She has fears and is expressing them.

[Deminpenn]

27. Yep, fear of Trump becoming president again is what's driving

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her and a lot of the Biden should step down crew. They want to be guaranteed Trump NOT be elected, but that's not possible unless you engage in magical thinking.

[bottomofthehill]

54. Her fear is well founded. She is a HIGH profile Trump antagonist.

She has been on TV since 1/6 licking the ever loving shit out of Trump. Many keyboard commandos have been doing the same but in a private echo chamber. She is still the best show on TV.

[lark]

26. Yes, I have lost faith in her, starting the night of the debate. She is no longer must see for me.

Sad. Luckily Lawrence has stepped it way up and he's my go to these days.

[gab13by13]

32. What did Nicolle say that is different than what Nancy Pelosi said?

[lark]

35. I didn't watch the Nancy clip but was sooo disappointed in what I heard.

WTF????????

[gab13by13]

42. I quoted Pelosi, post 28.

I have not seen one Nicolle Wallace quote. I watch her and I have not seen a drum beat from her for Joe to step down, maybe I missed it.

[BigmanPigman]

29. She also said she is afraid for her safety

and her family's if tRump wins. However, I don't think that is an excuse for starting to shift in the other direction with a large TV audience. The fucking moron has said often that he will harm his "enemies". Scare tactic or threat?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219131321
"I guess Tim Snyder has peeled a layer of skin off of me, and I'll just say it," Wallace confessed. "I'm scared of Trump doing the things that he said he's going to do. I'm not scared of the things he hasn't thought of yet. I'm scared of him completing the projects that are underway. Because in a two-journalist household, we're high-risk, right? And I think, Ruth, your admonition and Timothy Snyder's explanation of what fear does, you know, fear creates a frenzy. Fear makes the brain adapt ahead of time, makes people give power away to the authoritarian as a sort of hedge."
"She confessed that she's seeing it happen all around her in the media and politics."

"Let's just be brutally honest and keep that faith with our audience even when they don't like the things that we cover and the things we talk about," Wallace continued. "But the threat of authoritarianism, that's almost too soft. Fascism is a closer description of the retribution and brutality that Trump is promising and saying out loud. Which — again, is to say nothing of what he hasn't telegraphed yet."
"It made her wonder how to get through the coming months. The Republican Party platform just softened the language on choice and marriage equality, but Wallace doesn't buy it."
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-revenge-2668703373/

[lark]

38. Changing the Dem nominee makes her less safe.

SMDH, lost in frustration and anxiety.

[themaguffin]

34. Oh ffs. Stop it. Just stop it. jfc.

[gab13by13]

37. People who don't know what it's like to get death threats,

need to step back a pace or two.

Michael Cohen plans to leave the country as will many others.

A 2nd TSF presidency will be a Pinochet-style presidency. Those camps spread across the country won't just be for undocumented people.

[radical noodle]

39. The last couple of times I've watched her

she's spent a good deal of time talking about Project 2025. She hasn't spent any more time on Biden's age than anyone else. I can't think of anyone in the media who has spent more air time tearing down trump than she has.

[gab13by13]

43. How many Nicolle Wallace quotes have you seen in this thread?

I haven't seen one.

[GoreWon2000]

56. Her past work for the Bush brothers speaks louder than her words now.

[True Dough]

47. Some folks seem to believe

that the media should reflect what they read here on the DU and nothing more. It's never going to be that way, nor should it be.

Of course we don't want reckless attacks on Joe while Trump essentially gets a free pass despite being evil personified. But if any journalist dares to suggest that Biden's time might be up or if they quote someone who feels that it would be best to move on to another nominee, it's "off with their heads!"

So much for a free press! That said, I realize some of its' not "free" because it's been corporatized. However, there are still outlets that I trust.

For the record, I'm perfectly happy to carry on with Joe Biden. I don't know if he can get through four more years, but if he can't then Kamala Harris and the Dems surrounding her will serve us well and will spare us the nightmare of a second Mango Mussolini administration (and maybe the end of democracy).

That said, I'm not going to "cancel" every reporter or news anchor who questions things or is dubious about the status quo. It is a key part of their job!

[Bluethroughu]

51. Joe is going nowhere!

He's going to continue to win and get older.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. If you're looking for demons you might find some that aren't there.

[Sympthsical]

53. This is getting silly now

I don't watch cable news, so I'm not familiar with Wallace's show in any way.

But I am familiar with DU and the praises it has sung about her in the age of Trump and the many people who claim she's one of the best - if not the best - parts of MSNBC for them. Maybe only Rachel Maddow is held in higher esteem here.

So she's reporting and engaging on some unpleasant stuff that is happening - and the rest of the globe is absolutely discussing these same things and saying these same things.

But nah, she needs to be thrown overboard now?

At the rapid clip journalists and media are being thrown into the wood chipper, people are going to be left with MeidasTouch and some guy's livejournal as their sole news sources.

The impulse to only hear the most pleasant and agreeable takes on the world is not a good one. In fact, I'd argue it's a very destructive one. How do people solve problems when they engineer an environment in which they never have to know about them?