I think he should step down as a candidate in favor of Gavin Newsom. Read whole reasoning before comment.

[Wonder Why]

If he bows out of the race in favor of Newsom, then it will really help the country as that is the most important thing. Newsom has fully supported Biden and could then spend his time attacking the Republican platform. With two candidates that are Democratic Party members, Biden and Newsom guarantee a Democratic victory and Newsom could then turn over his electors to allow them to vote for Biden.

Trump should do this and it would be the first honest thing he has done in his whole life. He gives up all his Republican votes and turns them over to Newsom. Since Trump has not yet selected a VP, he can also select Kamala just as Biden has done. Trump can then spend the rest of his life in a nice quiet cell or room in a good mental institution.

I think this is the best thing that could happen to this country.

[WhiteTara]

1. I don't think Gavin is the answer.

He can't control his own state. Joe is our nominee and all this other is just wind and annoyance. Joe is our nominee and he will win. Most of this is because Kamala is a black woman AND the IRS is collecting money from the uber wealthy and they don't like having to pay taxes. Really odd reasoning on your part.

[SocialDemocrat61]

10. You didn't read the whole op

did you?

[Shrek]

52. Did you read the post? n/t

[we can do it]

2. Stop 🛑

[regnaD kciN]

51. Tell me you didn't read the post...

…without telling me you didn’t read the post.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

58. I dont like it when people screw with our emotions.

I find it cruel. There is too much screwiness going on nowadays. And what about the people who don’t bother clicking on it or don’t read the whole post. I do not find it funny considering the serious nature of what is going on.

I hope you enjoyed screwing with us….

[Jersey Devil]

3. I like Newsom but I think that would bust the Dem coalition right now

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It has to be Kamala imo or huge chunks of the coalition are gonna be pissed.

[brush]

70. I like him too, a great, loyal Dem who supports Joe. This notion is nothing but dream scenario stuff.

There's no "e" on the end ot Gov. Newson's name, btw.

[femmedem]

105. The OP is satire. Read the paragraph

about who should drop out in favor of Newsom.

[The Magistrate]

4. So We've A Comedian In The Ranks....

[Mme. Defarge]

8. Apparently

others haven’t gotten the joke.

[Wonder Why]

13. That's very obvious based on the replies so far. Perhaps I should have said "Read CLOSELY"

[DemocraticPatriot]

66. It isn't very funny.

[tazkcmo]

104. I agree and in poor taste. nt

[Hekate]

74. That's because it isn't funny. At all.

[kcr]

84. Or they didn't find it funny

Because it isn't.

[DoBW]

21. By the way, FDT

[Wonder Why]

32. Thanks for actually reading it.

[Freddie]

5. Not the whole ticket from California

[fishwax]

6. I'd certainly love to see it play out like that

[Wonder Why]

33. Thanks for actually reading it.

[Freethinker65]

7. Nope. Voters would be angry Harris was passed over for a white male.

Biden can campaign as a team with Harris. Biden can campaign as a team with Biden's cabinet.

Biden LEADS a team of qualified, knowledgeable, competent, professionals with years of experience fighting for America's and American's best interests.

Compare that to vindictive self-serving Trump, his often corrupt Cabinet members, and policies that include cuts in services to the poor/elderly/veterans/students along with a fascist wish list playbook.

[MistakenLamb]

44. Yep does the party really count on black voters being their mules for long if they pass on Harris?

[Freethinker65]

73. You forgot Harris is also female. She is also part South Asian and Jamaican.

She is also the CURRENT Vice President, elected to step in to fill the Presidential office if needed. To pass her over at the last minute for anyone now, without giving her a chance, would frustrate lots of voters, not just blacks, South Asians, and Jamaicans, and women, but also everyone who has been second in line to be passed over for promotion, not because of abilities, qualifications, and performance, but because of internal politics.

[Shrek]

53. Did you read the post? n/t

[Skittles]

68. "free thinker"

[Freethinker65]

77. Evidently not beyond the first few sentences. Was it supposed to be satire?

If so, sorry I did not read the second paragraph, which now I assume was intended to be absurd.

Sorry I wasted the poster's time, but when writing the post the way it was written, especially with the title, responses like mine has to be expected.

And reply above about me was uncalled for. Lucky there is an ignore feature.

[al_liberal]

9. Newsom told Ronnie D

“There’s one thing, in closing, that we have in common, [which] is neither of us will be the nominee for our party in 2024”

[Stuckinthebush]

11. Step over Harris?

Not a chance. We'd lose so much support. Now, Harris could see if Gavin wanted a VP slot, but right now the torch would pass to Kamala for the most seamless transfer.

Of course, Joe is still in it so right now it is a mental exercise. But no harm in mental exercises!

[Shrek]

55. The OP has nothing to do with Joe or Harris

Did you read it?

[Stuckinthebush]

103. Welp. My bad

I did not fully read it. I believe in owning my screw ups. Doh!

[Chakaconcarne]

12. Gavin will have his day

If the Big Democratic donors have their way, it could be sooner than later...

Biden is on a roll in this country and he and his administration are doing well for us all. If he is confident, we must trust him.. He knows what's going on with all of this... I feel we owe it to him, personally.

[SocialDemocrat61]

14. Amazing how many didn't bother to read the whole op

[Hekate]

75. Pity, that

Amazing what a waste of time the whole exercise was

[WarGamer]

15. Newsom is unelectable nationally...

As for the joke... I didn't really get it.

[JohnSJ]

109. Absolutely right, and I am from California and voted for him as Governor.

He isn’t particularly popular here in California, and completely wasted the surplus Jerry Brown gave us putting us back into a deficit that Arnold helped put our state in.

But your main point is right on, nationally he would have a big problem winning.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. I cannot reply without getting myself banned from DU.

[Skittles]

65. did you read it?

seriously

[sinkingfeeling]

71. Yes, I did.

[Wednesdays]

18. You might want to delete your OP

Or, at the very least, re-write the headline or something.

The majority of responses indicate they aren't reading and/or comprehending your message.

[Wonder Why]

24. The whole purpose was to get people to actually read a post.

I hinted at this in the title: Read whole reasoning before comment.

I gave a bigger hint in the first paragraph: With two candidates that are Democratic Party members

I said it explicitly in the second paragraph: Trump should do this and it would be the first honest thing he has done in his whole life. He gives up all his Republican votes and turns them over to Newsom

And I didn't even write a long mystery novel with the plot revealed only at the end.

[SocialDemocrat61]

26. Not your fault

You clear said people should read the whole post.

[Doodley]

31. I am sorry, but I don't understand what you mean when you say, "Trump should do this."

[Shrek]

80. Trump should drop out and be replaced by the Governor of California

A much more appealing Republican ticket.

[Wonder Why]

34. I can't answer for them. My post i clear enough if one reads it. Thanks for reading it.

[Skittles]

100. LOL

idiocy everywhere

[Blue Dotty]

22. Ah ha ha ha

Don't quit your day job kid 🤣😂

[Wonder Why]

35. I'm to old to have a job because I'm Donnie's age and he's too old. But Biden isn't. Much sharper than I am. Thanks for

reading it.

[BlueInPhilly]

23. STOP

Please just STOP and support your president.

[Srkdqltr]

25. People want magic. Sad

[madaboutharry]

27. Newsom has no right to waltz onto a presidential ticket.

That would certainly piss a lot of folks off, including me.

Secondly, there is a quirk in the electoral college that is the reason that there are never presidential and vice-presidential candidates from the same state.

https://www.history.com/news/can-the-president-and-vice-president-be-from-the-same-state

[ColinC]

30. The OP is suggesting that the two main candidates be Democrats

And Trump step down with Gavin replacing him.

[Wonder Why]

36. Another winner who actually read the post.

[Mossfern]

39. Seems like a fantasy to me

I did read the entire OP and I'm still trying to understand it.
I don't think that the GOP would endorse Trump giving over his delegates to Biden, nor do I think
that the Democratic Party would accept Trump running as a Democrat?

Maybe someone can explain it, because I just don't get it.
I'll go back and read it a third time and if it's clearer, then I'll come back and edit this post.

[niyad]

28. sighhhhhhh. It is too early in the morning and too friggin' hot!!!

[ColinC]

29. I'm not saying it was me but there's a strong likelihood somebody will accidentally hit the alert button before reading

…it.

Hopefully the jurors read the whole thing.

[Wonder Why]

38. No comment.

[ColinC]

42. ...

:

[maxrandb]

37. Ah, the Dems very own fake elector scheme?

When does this carnival ride from hell end.

I don't blame the poster. I blame social media for ensuring everyone's drunk uncle gets a shot at fame.

[lame54]

40. Newsom wants Biden

[beaglelover]

41. I'm quite sure Gavin would not agree to run this time. No hopeful for 2028 will throw themselves under the bus this

time around should Biden decide to leave the race.

[Model35mech]

43. Your first sentence has no evidence in its support and none follows

It appears you assume the premise of the first sentence is God's Truth.

It isn't known to be so

In what way(s) will Biden bowing out to Newsom (rather than no one else or someone NOT Newsom) help the country?

IMO it's ok to post such stuff but it isn't very convincing

[Wonder Why]

48. I never said a negative word about Biden. I warned people in the Title to read it all. The first paragraph was a big

clue: With two candidates that are Democratic Party members, Biden and Newsom guarantee a Democratic victory and Newsom could then turn over his electors to allow them to vote for Biden.

And the second paragraph spelled it out. Neither was more than a couple of sentences.

[Model35mech]

50. Another assertion without evidence, because, I didn't say you did.

[Wonder Why]

54. Sorry, I misunderstood.. I took this sentence as an indication because nowhere did I say anything about Biden bowing out

In what way(s) will Biden bowing out to Newsom (rather than no one else or someone NOT Newsom) help the country?

If I had said that, it would have been a criticism of him and would not only be improper but would have taken away from my full support of him and my belief that he is sharp enough to know what he can do and he has made the correct decision IMHO.

[Model35mech]

59. Um, reread ALL of your subject line.

"I think he should step down as a candidate in favor of Gavin Newsom."[

You may not have written the word s bowing out, but you said the equivalent: Biden should step down And I didn't present bowing out as a direct quote of your post.

But, to quote Howard Dean "AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wonder Why]

93. Please show me where I said Biden. Is there any place I said "he" is Biden?

[ColinC]

108. What an interesting case study this exchange is...

“You said this.”

“ I didn’t say you said this”

“But you said this.”

“I’m not going to tell you where you said this.”

[MistakenLamb]

45. ,

,

[Sympthsical]

46. Oh, what a crafty and cruel test

"How far does someone read before assuming the rest and forming and publishing an opinion about it?"

The sneakattacks!

[Wonder Why]

49. Humor is sometimes naughty. I plead guilty to that.

[pwb]

56. I read it. Twice.

It sounds divisive to me.

[debm55]

57. What? Is this a joke?

[brush]

60. Gov. Newsom would make a great president but it's not wise of practical at this late date...

to leap frog over VP Harris if Joe decides to step down (something I done agree with). The price the party would pay in divisiveness in not worth, nor is the ridiculte from the rethugs and the punditry that woulf follow.

IMO, nice to imagine but not but strictly dream scenatio stuff.

Same with Gov. Whitmer of Michigan...nice to think of but that only.

We'll likely see both governors and VP Harris contending in 2028, that is if we defeat the orange, criminal turd this November.

GOTV, everyone.

[58Sunliner]

61. What? All fruits and nuts?

[maveric]

62. Can Gavin and Kamala be n the same ticket?

Both being from CA?

[Celerity]

64. Yes, BUT Harris would not be able to claim CA's 54 EVs, so the ticket would need to rack up at least 324 EVs, otherwise

a likely Rethug-controlled Senate would vote in a Rethug VP.

[Celerity]

63. the OP has massive flaws, see below

the OP stated:

With two candidates that are Democratic Party members, Biden and Newsom guarantee a Democratic victory and Newsom could then turn over his electors to allow them to vote for Biden.

Trump should do this and it would be the first honest thing he has done in his whole life. He gives up all his Republican votes and turns them over to Newsom. Since Trump has not yet selected a VP, he can also select Kamala just as Biden has done. Trump can then spend the rest of his life in a nice quiet cell or room in a good mental institution.

That said, Trump cannot force the Rethug convention to nominate Newsom. They would NEVER nominate a Dem.

Plus Harris cannot receive the electoral votes from CA in re her being on the same ticket as Newsom, as they are from the same State, thus, IF the Newsom ticket won, there would be perhaps be no VP with 270 (unless the Newsom ticket wins with at least 324 EVs, as you have to subtract CA's 54 EVs from Harris' EVs), so a likely Rethug Senate would choose a Rethug VP for Newsom.

[waterwatcher123]

67. Do you really think Republican states would roll over and allow Dems to put someone new on the ballot (not a chance)?

The Democrats would be lucky to have a new candidate on the ballot in half the states (Republicans will slow walk it or fight it in the courts). It is a prescription for disaster up and down the ticket to replace Biden with less than four months to go until the election. He is a good position to win overwhelmingly regardless of what the media says. He will win all the same traditional blue states and likely carry those that were close last time. Biden won Arizona by 10,547 votes in 2020. Arizona had over 110,00 people vote for Haley in the primary. These are not people going back to Trump in the general election. A significant portion will sit it out or vote for Biden (enough to carry the state). Both Nevada and Arizona also have reproductive rights amendments on the ballot (both of which will drive turnout and votes for Democrats). North Carolina is so close that Democrats have a good chance to flip it (especially since Trump only carried it by 75,000 votes in 2020 and almost 250,000 people voted for Haley in the primary). Georgia might be a challenge since Republicans control the election machinery. Biden carried Georgia by 11,779 votes in 2020. However, some 77,000 people voted for Haley or an alternative in the primary.

This circular firing squad has to stop. The only that will destroy our chances in 2024 is paranoia (fear) on the Democratic side. There were chances for different candidates in the primary. If the Democratic insiders force through a different candidate, it will be viewed by lots of Democrats as a Coup d'état.

[SamKnause]

69. No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't read a word of your post and the answer is NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After reading your post.

The answer is NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of the comments are suggesting the post is suppose to be funny.

I find nothing humorous about the post.

[Mossfern]

76. Rec'd

Fortunately I have a bunch of time to waste today - the weather being what it is and my back doing what it does.
Tends to make me a bit cranky.

[Wonder Why]

99. I disagree with some posts and I respect your right to do so. You did

not find it funny. Fine.

As to my post that trump should step down and turn his republican votes over to Newsom who then becomes the republican candidate attacks the repugs and attacks the repug then turns over his electors to Biden - is that what you're saying no to? If so, fine also. I respect that opinion too. But both of us want Biden to stay in the running and win.

[Hekate]

72. Newsom was not elected in the primaries. Was he? Joe Biden was. And there is no mechanism to do as you wish.

The only person who would have access to Biden’s war chest, iirc, would be Kamala Harris, and I don’t even know if that is so unless he dies.

Who is going to be able to raise all that money by tomorrow, or even next week? I know that I did not give consent for my donations to be swapped around willy-nilly on the basis that some people panicked.

Governor Newsom's going to run for President in 2028. Let’s make sure there’s still a country he can run for.

Meanwhile, two presidential candidates both have teams and both have plans. One is a decent man who has surrounded himself with decent people and a great VP. The other one is a monstrous felon with a diseased brain whose team and plan are embodied in Project 2025.

Our choice.

[Xavier Breath]

78. Ignore Harris and we will definitely lose.

She is the only replacement option.

[Shrek]

83. Harris is already running as Biden's VP candidate

Why would she agree to replace Trump and run against Biden?

[Xavier Breath]

86. The op suggests a replacement scenario where Biden steps aside.

I was pointing out the logical replacement only if that were to happen.

[Shrek]

91. The OP suggests no such thing

The OP is about Trump stepping aside in favor of the Governor of California.

[Xavier Breath]

95. Well...that's not convoluted at all.

But, in fairness, I guess I was warned by the op to read the whole thing first.

[lanlady]

89. She'd be great debating Trump

I think she pretty much won the Democratic debates back in 2020. She was darn good. Not my candidate of choice at the time (I was for Warren) but I give her credit. It's the attorney in her. She knows how to argue.

[Xavier Breath]

92. She'd tear him to shreds, no doubt.

She'd counter every lie and then remind the audience of all his bullshit.

[ananda]

79. Disagree.

Biden is doing just fine.

If it aint broke, no reason to fix it.

That's what republicans do.

[jmowreader]

81. Cthulhu eat me now

The OP's idea is:

1. Trump - not Biden, but Trump - withdraws from the race and allows Gavin Newsom to take his place on the ticket.

2. After the election, Newsom cedes any electoral votes he gains to Joe Biden, allowing Joe Biden to win election with 535 electoral votes.

I see three problems here, although it's an entertaining plan.

Problem 1 is the most obvious: it would require a sense of honor to do this, and Trump doesn't have any. Trump wants to go back to renting golf carts and selling $8 water to the Secret Service.

Problem 2 is there are lots of right-wing splinter parties like the Libertarians and the Constitution Party that would be delighted to run a candidate who might win some EV this time in November. Up here in the Redoubt you could put Jesus Christ and Satan on the ballot and the RWNJs would vote for the devil if he had an R next to his name. They arguably plan to do that exact thing in November but I'm not talking bargain-basement demons like Trump here, rather the real deal.

Problem 3 is I don't think ceding EV to another candidate is legal.

[maxsolomon]

82. Trashing

for l@meness

[lanlady]

88. Two Californians on the same ticket?

That's not a good idea in my opinion.

I'm liking the idea of Harris/Whitmer if Biden bows out. It'll energize young people & women throughout the country. And Whitmer, I hope, will guarantee that Michigan stays blue.

The people who would never vote for a woman (let alone two women) are going to vote Trump anyway, so no loss there.

[Hope22]

85. Even the title is enough to trigger! N/t

[consider_this]

87. poorly written joke, or fever dream? not sure which...

don't take my critique as personal, but seriously - the first paragraph makes zero sense without the second, and then you have to re-read the first to decipher? You made it too hard to get your point or idea or your joke (not sure what it is) - and frankly, with the roller coaster of 'replace or not' sentiment flying around here -well, i suggest you 'read the room' before posting something like this.

I get crazy ideas of things to say about 30 times more often than i would post them. my motto has been 'edit thyself' (but I did not do it this time - oops!)

[Wonder Why]

97. Of course the first paragraph makes no sense without the second. That

was the reason for the second sentence in the title. And I read the room. A lot of people here and everywhere, including myself, read their own biases into a post on the net instead of reading what was posted.

There was a claim from 60 years ago when I was a kid where the teacher's difficult exam had a warning at the top to read all the questions before answering any of them and a few did and got up and turned in the exam and walked out. The last sentence told them not to answer any questions but to do what a few did.

I have no complaints about anybody who didn't follow my request but they might want to think about what they did which was to read words that were not there. I'm not even upset with anyone who filed an alert. But that's their choice, not mine.

[consider_this]

98. just FYI

I did read your entire thing the first time out. I am telling you how it read to me = ball 'o confusion. Took me multiple rereads to figure out what was going on. And by then, it wasn't funny, or a good idea, or anything that could ever happen in the waking world, so just telling you that. There is a reason authors write and rewrite, comedians as well.
I'd like to know if you intended this a joke, or to mess with people, or to really suggest TSF would ask Newsom to be the repug candidate. I honestly do not know what you were trying to get across. would you tell me so I can check my own perceptions or reading skills (not kidding). NOT trying to start any argument, just would like to know. Thx

[senseandsensibility]

90. I had my alert finger ready til I read to the end

well, actually I figured it out halfway through.

[Wonder Why]

94. Thanks. 👍

[WhiteTara]

96. I was looking for more to read

If that's it. I read that, didn't take long, and Gavin is not the answer. Joe is the answer. I've seen this movie for decades, and I'm not going for it again. I'm ridin' with Biden.

[doc03]

101. I don't think is electable in any swing state. nt

[Blue Full Moon]

102. I got it😄

Good one

[calguy]

106. I like Newsome for 2028

Your scenario is nothing but a pipe dream with a zero chance of happening.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

107. This is starting to make more people consider Newsome now.

It is backfiring if this was REALLY intended to just be a joke.

[texasfiddler]

110. $7.00 per gallon gas.

That is what the Media will push if he is our last minute change. He will have his issues too. By the way I like him. Biden/Harris 2024. Plus we lose over 200 million in the bank?

[Indykatie]

111. I Think Newsom Was Criss-Crossing the Country as an Introduction Tour

Campaigning for Biden was good for Biden but he benefitted greatly with his early trips around the country.