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lindysalsagal

(22,915 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 10:31 AM Jul 2024

"My Mom's Support For Trump Divided Our Family. Then I Found The Crack In Her MAGA Armor."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/my-mom-s-support-for-trump-divided-our-family-then-i-found-the-crack-in-her-maga-armor/ar-BB1pNPLd?ocid=nl_article_link
Story by Tim Durnin

I pleaded with her not to vote for him. She wouldn’t budge. In the wake of his election, her choice took on the weight of a betrayal. Her blindness to Trump’s white nationalist tendencies was an affront to my wife, who is a proud Latina, and angered my biracial, high-school-aged children.


She voted for Trump again in 2020 but did not embrace the “big lie” that he’d won the election with anything close to enthusiasm. She did defend the honor of her chosen candidate afterward, but her Ultra MAGA armor started to crack when Trump’s attacks were directed at Republican icons like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney and the Bush dynasty. Then Jan. 6, 2021, shook the foundation of her political fortress. The damage was considerable and lasting.


Before saying our traditional grace, she stood up, and the room came to attention. She took a moment to compose herself, and with her signature confidence, said, “I want to apologize.” Looking around the table, she did not falter. “I made a horrible mistake voting for Trump. Had I known then what I know now, I never would have voted for him. I hope you will forgive me.” And it was done.
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"My Mom's Support For Trump Divided Our Family. Then I Found The Crack In Her MAGA Armor." (Original Post) lindysalsagal Jul 2024 OP
Her poker skills convinced ppl to vote Trump? XanaDUer2 Jul 2024 #1
Funny how so many of us knew what he was "then" and so many are just finding out "now"... Wounded Bear Jul 2024 #2
Yeah she voted twice for him XanaDUer2 Jul 2024 #3
Possibly covered in the whole article at link, & not in the 4 paragraph limit in post Hekate Jul 2024 #10
Hi! XanaDUer2 Jul 2024 #11
Back atya Hekate Jul 2024 #12
Wow. Being totally blind and deaf for the period of 2015 until January 6th, 2021 must have really sucked. Aristus Jul 2024 #4
I think that most traditional Republicans had that same reaction Under The Radar Jul 2024 #5
In 2015 the markodochartaigh Jul 2024 #9
The lack of immediate slightlv Jul 2024 #14
Excellent! markodochartaigh Jul 2024 #18
since they had nothing, they had concentrated on Hunter Skittles Jul 2024 #20
But he attacked Mccain , Ted Cruz and many other Republicans before 2016 JI7 Jul 2024 #6
Glad she came around. Hope the kids handled her evolution without too much trauma. Timeflyer Jul 2024 #7
My thoughts on this was Dan Jul 2024 #8
It takes a lot of courage to amit we've been dead wrong about something Warpy Jul 2024 #13
Thankfully my mom remembered when Trump was a lying sack of shit way back in the 80's and never vote for him ever. Crowman2009 Jul 2024 #15
It took "attacks directed at Republican icons like Mitt Romney" to sway your Mom? PeaceWave Jul 2024 #16
I think it has been said that the Reps are going to listen to former Reps kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2024 #19
I cannot forgive people who helped give us Donald Fucking Trump Skittles Jul 2024 #17
I'm the opposite. When people acknowledge fault, I'm typically proud of them. PeaceWave Jul 2024 #21
well good for them Skittles Jul 2024 #22

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
2. Funny how so many of us knew what he was "then" and so many are just finding out "now"...
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 10:41 AM
Jul 2024

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, folks.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
10. Possibly covered in the whole article at link, & not in the 4 paragraph limit in post
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 01:01 PM
Jul 2024

Aristus

(72,187 posts)
4. Wow. Being totally blind and deaf for the period of 2015 until January 6th, 2021 must have really sucked.
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 10:52 AM
Jul 2024

And remaining upright without a functioning brain is a real testament to human perseverance.

Under The Radar

(3,431 posts)
5. I think that most traditional Republicans had that same reaction
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 10:55 AM
Jul 2024

,,,immediately following the January 6th insurrection. But there seems to be a split among them now where apparently a very large and organized back room deal has been struck where many have fallen back in line, pledging loyalty and then a minority of the hardliners are still defiant but now are silent. even our moderate media streams appear to be kissing the ring. This has nothing to do with the debate, this started months ago. It is confusing, and very scary.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
9. In 2015 the
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 12:58 PM
Jul 2024

Republicans were going to have a brokered convention to choose another candidate. But the "traditional", corporate Republicans realized that they could not win without Trump because he was so popular among the 80% of their base who are authoritarians. So they put party before country and chose an authoritarian Strong Leader who was not committed to democracy. After the attempted coup Trump's authoritarian base seemed to waver. It was like a gang who had been caught beating up homeless people. They waited to see what was going to happen. But gradually, in a few months, Trump's authoritarian support went back to about 80% of Republicans when they saw that Trump, the ringleader, was not going to face immediate accountability. Now Trump and his cronies have consolidated their power in the Republican party. And most media know that if the Republicans gain power the media will have a target on their foreheads. A big media corporation cannot reward their shareholders if all they can report on is city manager races.

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
14. The lack of immediate
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 01:27 PM
Jul 2024

Accountability hurt us in a lot of ways... and the longer he remains unaccountable, the worse it will be for us, IMO. The farther from the event, the less people remember of it... or have a chance to play mind games with themselves that they didn't see what they really saw. Garland really let us down, and so did Congress. This country just isn't set up to realistically handle a crook like trump, imo. The courts give way too deference for the rich and connected... the richer the more deference. They're also way more concerned with threats than they are with saving the country. Maybe that's realistic, but if u can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Public servants serve the public, and we aint been served!

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
18. Excellent!
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:35 PM
Jul 2024

Two points. We have different groups in society, one group is the military, mostly drawn from the working class. This group is often asked to literally put their lives on the line, even though the working class doesn't get much out of our society. We have an elite class, of course many of them are either disinterested in the problems of those beneath them, or are outright authoritarians. But there are many elites on the left or in the middle. How can we not ask these people who have gotten so much from our society, often for generations, to stand up against authoritarianism? Also we have a governing/ judicial class, also frequently well-heeled, whose job it should be to prevent insurrectionist activity. How can they not feel obligated to stand up against authoritarianism? Certainly both of these elite groups will be better protected than Joe Soldier. What happens when those who have gotten the most out of a society won't stand up for the continuation of an orderly and civil society? Will this class just take what they have sucked out of us and flee to another country, that is what most of the Russian royalty did.

And point two: immediately after the coup attempt it looked as if many corporations were not going to give money to those politicians who helped with the coup. But after a few months they realized which way the wind was blowing and resumed supporting both sides (pro-democracy and pro-autocracy). Since corporations are people, and some of the wealthiest and least legally accountable people, and the main way that we can influence these über-people is with our dollars I think that we missed a huge opportunity there. The maga people understand this, look at their actions against Target because of Pride, or against the beer company.

Skittles

(171,710 posts)
20. since they had nothing, they had concentrated on Hunter
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 09:03 PM
Jul 2024

then unfortunately, Biden gave them exactly the excuse they needed

JI7

(93,616 posts)
6. But he attacked Mccain , Ted Cruz and many other Republicans before 2016
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 11:03 AM
Jul 2024

So him going after Republicans was nothing new. So this doesn't make sense to me.

Dan

(5,179 posts)
8. My thoughts on this was
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 12:51 PM
Jul 2024

The only way I would have heard about “Mom’s” apology would have been antidotal from family members that would have attended her dinner.

Given that the person narrating this event was involved in a multi-racial family environment with kids, there would have been no way that ‘grand-mother’ would have been in their lives.

Forgiving and forgetting - not really strong in my vocabulary - especially since in some ways, we continue to live with the choices people made in 2016. The damage is on-going.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
13. It takes a lot of courage to amit we've been dead wrong about something
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 01:19 PM
Jul 2024

and even more to apologize to the people we've antagonized over it.

Plus, a lot of families are so split that they no longer "do" the holidays, even if Mom is the only one who knows how to cook a turkey.

America is going to need a hell of a lot of healing.

It's starting slowly because I'm happy to report Limbaugh is still dead.

Crowman2009

(3,524 posts)
15. Thankfully my mom remembered when Trump was a lying sack of shit way back in the 80's and never vote for him ever.
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 01:33 PM
Jul 2024

Don't know why anyone who was a grown adult during that time decided to be an ignoramus with regards to that corrupt asshole.

The only reason the orange bastard managed to stay out of prison was due to having friends in high places.

PeaceWave

(3,383 posts)
16. It took "attacks directed at Republican icons like Mitt Romney" to sway your Mom?
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 01:49 PM
Jul 2024

Yeesh. So much for empathy in your family. My Mom voted for Trump back in 2016. All it took for her to realize she'd made a mistake was seeing children at the border in cages and separated from their parents. Mom saw that and audibly said "That bastard" and that was that for Trump.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,283 posts)
19. I think it has been said that the Reps are going to listen to former Reps
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 05:45 PM
Jul 2024

than the Dems. That makes sense.

PeaceWave

(3,383 posts)
21. I'm the opposite. When people acknowledge fault, I'm typically proud of them.
Fri Jul 12, 2024, 10:55 PM
Jul 2024

How else can we grow as people and as a society unless we encourage them when they turn themselves around?

Skittles

(171,710 posts)
22. well good for them
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 05:42 PM
Jul 2024

all it took was disgracing themselves and their country

we'll be paying for that fucked up nonsense for A LONG TIME

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