Right after President Biden's rally in Michigan Chris Hayes and Joy Reid were commenting. Joy Reid seemed to be

[JohnSJ]

really enthusiastic about the rally and President Biden's presentation, while Hayes seemed noticeably subdued.

For me that contrast between those two hosts was noticeable

[LetMyPeopleVote]

1. I saw that also

I changed channels after Joy left

Chris Hayes needs to be fired

[Janbdwl72]

30. I noticed that also and Chris Hayes probably was disappointed he didn't get to criticize Biden.

Joy seems to have far better political instincts than Chris Hayes. He still has some pretty good guests on his program.

I can only hope Chris will think about it a little and modify his views toward Biden a bit. Again, that looks doubtful.

[flamingdem]

2. Chris Hayes threw a wet blanket on Joy's obvious enthusiasm

She seemed sure this was going to change the anti-Biden vibe and he'd stay on. Hayes said - not so soon - keeping the anti-Biden vibe alive. Still, things have improved.

[ananda]

17. Fuck Chris Hayes. The people have spoken!

Nice that Joy Reid is with the people!

[DemocraticPatriot]

33. So is Chris Hayes part of the "weak hands and watery bowels" gang??

Possibly so....

[wnylib]

35. Chris also stumbled over words, corrected himself,

and repeated himself in the short time that he spoke.

I think we should call or e-mail MSNBC to ask when Chris will take a cognitive ability test and if he is going to resign for not being cognitively qualified.

[NJCher]

39. Lol

Yes, indeed, I noticed it, too—in addition to saying the perfectly obvious: history is not yet written.

A big time tv host telling us this? Cringe.

[SheilaAnn]

3. He always strikes me as a wet blanket. He's lost a lot of followers and is trying to figure out how to get them

back. He's using the wrong approach. When will he stop talking?

[japple]

19. You are so right. He has lost the ability to hear what the public is saying. Joy still hears

what people are saying.

[BComplex]

26. Joy doesn't just hear it, she feels it, too. She's totally pissed that the media has piled on

the Biden/Harris "Bully Biden to Back Out" brigade. You can see it in her, and in what her guests are saying.

[NJCher]

40. I loved her positive reaction

And that is putting it mildly. She was sparkling. Happy that Biden put on such a rousing rally. I couldn’t help but be joyous myself. Emotions are contagious, but Chris’s face looked like he couldn’t wait for her to shut up.

Which means he wasn’t listening. He was planning what he was going to say, not listening.

SheilaAnn also notes this on this thread.

[Captain Zero]

38. Bring back Overman in his time slot

At least through the election.

Help Hayes find a place in Tuscany to be a wino.

[Wounded Bear]

4. Hmmm, I didn't see it that way...

I liked what Chris said about Biden delivering what the campaign core message was. Talked about Biden laying out his 100-day plan, and praising him for going on the attack against trump.

[somaticexperiencing]

5. How can you not be enthused after that speech? Unless you're dead. Or Republican. Or compromised.

i keep wondering how the obvious answer is so hard to miss.

Kamala Harris is also out there kicking ass.

We have them both.

What's the f'ing problem?

[Music Man]

6. Maybe I don't watch enough Chris Hayes

But I am watching now, and he has spent quite a bit of time highlighting how great Biden's economic record is and what a paradox it is that his approval ratings are low. And he's definitely no fan of Trump.

I don't need a host to be giddy. If Chris Hayes is the type of person we want gone, then we are in dire straits.

But again, only an occasional watcher here. Great minds can differ

[NJCher]

15. I've always been a fan of Chris's, but

I don't like the bend he's taken on Biden's speech gaffes, which I think are given an inordinate amount of attention. Everyone makes gaffes like this, including professional anchor people.

Take a look at my analysis of Chris's gaffe tonight.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219143945

[shrike3]

16. Chris was the one pushing the Tara Reade story four years ago.

Maybe he's a Sanders fan that still holds a grudge?

[DemocraticPatriot]

34. Don't go there.

I'm a 2016 Sanders fan who voted in the 2020 primary for Joe Biden...

[wnylib]

36. See my #35 near the top of this thread.

[PatSeg]

22. I really like Chris Hayes

His coverage of the Biden administration has been excellent. He frequently does segments on the economy that are very informative.

I haven't been happy with him the past couple of weeks however. If he was a bit subdued tonight, perhaps it was because he may realize he was mistaken recently. Hopefully, sanity is starting to return.

[BComplex]

27. I'm a long time fan and supporter of Chris Hayes, but he jumped right on top of the "Bully Biden to Back Out" brigade.

It was right after the debate that Chris started down that dark path. I was blown away by him and Alex Wagner, both, but it was Rachel that totally blew my mind. I thought she was smarter than that.

We just quit watching any of the prime line up except Joy and Lawrence. Life is too short and too precious to spend it watching a kamikaze tactic to presidential elections.

[brakester]

29. Biden and the Ochre Abomination are tied...

is a more nuanced way to put it, rather than "his approval ratings are low."

[kimbutgar]

7. I've given up on msnbc for the time being.

Love Joy but I can’t watch that network anymore until they stop attacking president Biden.

[chowder66]

9. I've been sticking with Lawrence O'Donnell. He's been terrific through this.

[FloridaBlues]

14. Me too mostly Lawrence

[Janbdwl72]

32. Yes, Lawrence is the man!

I really enjoyed watching his discussions with the legal eagles on the trials and all legal developments.

And he seems to be supportive of Biden.

[godsentme]

8. That was exactly my sense too

Joy was joyful! Chris subdued. I waited for him to join in with the excitement but, nope. I already changed it to the shark week channel.

[NJCher]

11. it was hilarious

when during his speech at the Detroit rally, Biden was mocking trump over his shark and boat remarks and said trump wouldn't even be able to watch Shark Week, poor guy!

[Tumbulu]

10. Yes, but if you turned over to CNN

Some “Democratic” operative was going on and on about how none of the major Democratic elected officials were there. And that is why it proves that Biden has no chance.

I kid you not- not a joke!

[shrike3]

18. Um -- we the people want Biden.

I think we matter just as much or a little more than "major Democratic officials."

[Tumbulu]

20. I agree!!!!!

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. They both seemed positive to me. Nt

[Cha]

13. LOL Thanks for reporting form TV land, John...

[StarryNite]

21. I noticed the difference between them too.

There will be those who don’t want to see Biden succeed. And when he does great they won’t be happy.

Go Joe!

[colorado_ufo]

23. Biden came loaded for bear

and Trump got both barrels!

[highplainsdem]

24. Some video here. Look at the difference between Chris and Joy's expressions:

Link to tweet

[Nixie]

25. We saw that, too! Joy was in the moment and was roused

by Biden's obviously effective messaging about Trump while being cheered by an excited crowd.

But Chris Hayes wasn't having it. Went right into obsessing when Biden was going to be forced out.

Pissed us off ! It was a confirmation the media are the main fans of this narrative.

[PortTack]

28. Reid was not good following the debate...flip floppers!

[TasminCat]

31. Chris Hayes is pushing for the long shot of replacing Biden with Bernie.

Hold on to your dreams Chris!

[3catwoman3]

37. Seriously? Bernie Sanders is 82.

[TasminCat]

42. I know. I'm joking. But Chris was always a big Bernie supporter.

[NJCher]

41. No way

Bernie would not take him up on that.

[ecstatic]

43. Hayes is probably overthinking it

concerned about teleprompters etc

We have moved on, Chris! Biden is running. End of story. And now Biden needs to do exactly what he's doing, which is to energize the base so that the base can energize Independents.