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JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:15 AM Jul 2024

The media is still continuing their "Biden must quit" mantra, and there is no indication that they will stop until they

achieve their goal, "that Biden steps down".

Any positive news is immediately dashed with a negative poll, or pundit's opinion.

As reported here and elsewhere, there are wealthy democratic donors, BRIBING congressional democrats to try and push Biden out publicly by enticing them with donations to their campaigns. How that can even be legal with the campaign finance laws is beyond me.

Yesterday, the NY Times published one editorial that trump was not fit to be president, after two weeks of non-stop anti-Biden stories how "Biden need to step down", one day later they are back to their "Biden needs to step down" stories, with only a brief mention of a substantive Biden news conference, followed by an enthusiastic large Biden Rally in Michigan.

It seems we are caught in a terrible loop that feeds upon itself. As long as democratic congress people are influenced by "big money" donors bribing them to speak out against Biden staying in the race, this nightmare will not end.

As someone pointed out some of the same congress people who are involved in trying to push Biden out, are the same ones who were trying to push Pelosi out as Speaker, except the stakes are much greater now, we are talking about a President of the United States who won over 3000 delegates, that they are trying to push out.

I have never been so disgusted and dismayed.

This has gone on too long, and it is time for the Democratic leadership in both the House and the Senate to stop the damage that is being done. There are rules that have been setup, and there are big money forces trying to subvert those rules.



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The media is still continuing their "Biden must quit" mantra, and there is no indication that they will stop until they (Original Post) JohnSJ Jul 2024 OP
It's despicable. I refuse to watch. spanone Jul 2024 #1
I guess the NYT have decided that it's the only way they can look 'fair and balanced'. AmIright? flying_wahini Jul 2024 #2
They will stop unless they want to ignore the Republican convention almost entirely ColinC Jul 2024 #3
They will fit it into the narrative while covering the republican convention somehow. I won't be watching either JohnSJ Jul 2024 #4
True. Although it would be a lot more subtle than at least now. ColinC Jul 2024 #8
You are an optimist Colin. I hope you are right. JohnSJ Jul 2024 #10
I am an optimist in this, too. Look at how anger wnylib Jul 2024 #23
There are people in the media and in the party who want to prove they were right Ocelot II Jul 2024 #5
The problem is big money donors are bribing democratic congress people to keep it going JohnSJ Jul 2024 #7
I agree 100% Farmer-Rick Jul 2024 #36
I think it is exactly this also.. they boxed themselves in Peacetrain Jul 2024 #12
I think your comment. as well as Rick Wilson's is on the money peggysue2 Jul 2024 #22
The People's President. Wow. Excellent yorkster Jul 2024 #32
Also could do yorkster Jul 2024 #35
Here is the news that kept me smiling BigmanPigman Jul 2024 #6
The problem is the ENTIRE MSM is entangled in this JohnSJ Jul 2024 #9
And they will all share the same fate... BigmanPigman Jul 2024 #15
From your lips to Whomever's ears. shrike3 Jul 2024 #17
Yep. LisaL Jul 2024 #26
They are not scared of Biden, They ARE scared of Trump PeteyTanker Jul 2024 #29
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #39
I'm in the Florida Panhandle and it's as red as it gets. Phoenix61 Jul 2024 #11
Whoever did that has a lot of courage JohnSJ Jul 2024 #13
They want his scalp and then will say "how can the party win changing horses this late?" Fuckers. themaguffin Jul 2024 #14
Exactly. They'll keep pounding, in a different way. shrike3 Jul 2024 #19
And they will laugh at democrats for falling for it. LisaL Jul 2024 #25
Aren't we supposed to be the party that is not obligated or run by the rich? lees1975 Jul 2024 #16
They're succeeding at driving away viewers C_U_L8R Jul 2024 #18
All the MSM? I would like to think so. JohnSJ Jul 2024 #20
Maybe not all audiences and all media C_U_L8R Jul 2024 #21
Since that's not gonna happen... ananda Jul 2024 #24
Is anyone still paying attention to it? CaptainTruth Jul 2024 #27
If people can't see that T.P.T.B. want to force Biden from the race they are blind. Botany Jul 2024 #28
Adios, WaPo. No renewal from me. Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #30
I hate them all DownriverDem Jul 2024 #31
The party needs to unify LilElf70 Jul 2024 #33
Every time I turn on the TV or radio and they start in on their crap, I turn it off. Midnight Writer Jul 2024 #34
Not just the MSM but all late night shows. BidenRocks Jul 2024 #37
The news cycle will only go for so long Javaman Jul 2024 #38

flying_wahini

(8,277 posts)
2. I guess the NYT have decided that it's the only way they can look 'fair and balanced'. AmIright?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:19 AM
Jul 2024

Chaps my ass bad.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
3. They will stop unless they want to ignore the Republican convention almost entirely
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:19 AM
Jul 2024

Which I might prefer

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
4. They will fit it into the narrative while covering the republican convention somehow. I won't be watching either
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:22 AM
Jul 2024

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
8. True. Although it would be a lot more subtle than at least now.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:29 AM
Jul 2024

Which would hopefully help people to forget about it.

wnylib

(26,217 posts)
23. I am an optimist in this, too. Look at how anger
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:30 AM
Jul 2024

at the media and st anti Biden people in our own party has galvanized Biden supporters. The more the pundits and politicians attack Biden, the stronger the grass roots support gets.

Ocelot II

(130,811 posts)
5. There are people in the media and in the party who want to prove they were right
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:25 AM
Jul 2024

when after the debate, they decided Biden was too old and feeble and immediately called for him to withdraw. Instead of waiting for more information on his condition or watching subsequent appearances to see if he still seemed ill or impaired, they stuck their necks out - in the case of the media, maybe they were chasing the big scoop or at least more clicks; as to the politicians, maybe it was fear or maybe it was opportunism. In any event, a bunch of damn fools got on that bandwagon and kept it rolling. Now that Biden has made multiple appearances in which he seemed just fine, thank you very much, they are stuck with either having to admit they were wrong or keep riding the bandwagon. Since nobody, and especially beltway pundits and politicians, wants to admit to being wrong, they'll keep at it. We have to push back as hard as we can.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
7. The problem is big money donors are bribing democratic congress people to keep it going
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:29 AM
Jul 2024

Farmer-Rick

(12,713 posts)
36. I agree 100%
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 12:36 PM
Jul 2024

And they are paying journalist extra bribes to trash Biden.

The money is coming from the Russian people's tax rubles converted into bribes for corrupt media pundits and social media emperors.

Since the butcher Putin has access to all of Russia's wealth, he uses it for more than just building his pampered ass a golden palace to meet with Clarence.

This is why Pedo Trump wants to be dictator. He wants access to all our tax dollars and all our little girls.

peggysue2

(12,553 posts)
22. I think your comment. as well as Rick Wilson's is on the money
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:29 AM
Jul 2024

The media ran the narrative and they're now loathe to walk it back.

I had that distinct sense the other day when I caught a few moments of Alex Wagner and Chis Hayes, the lukewarm, qualified comments on President Biden's press conference, and then the rousing rally in Michigan. Or Axelrod's comment that the reason he and others have been critical is because of the 'cloistered' nature of President Biden's presidency and campaign which in my mind means they have felt 'set aside' without proper access and respect. That's certainly the reason someone like Peter Baker has noted: Joe Biden hasn't been suitably available to the press.

They've had their fee-fees hurt, their egos not stroked enough. It's payback time.

Add that to the over-the-top theatrics of a Donald Trump who writes the stories himself with every outrage, cruelty and adolescent move. Agent Orange produces revenue in an era when the MSM is in decline, competing with every blogger, internet site, podcast etc. for clicks and eyeballs. Kahn's comment at the NYTs that democracy is a partisan issue and his vision for the paper during a second Trump Administration is a tell, an expansion of staff to cover every ridiculous move, every childish, vindictive action.

Oh, the joy!

As for donors? My son just finished a hiking tour with a high-end DC lawyer who has a lot of contacts and relationships within that world. Her perspective? That a number of donors express true indignation that Biden did not 'keep his word' about being a transitional president, a one-termer. I suspect President Biden's lean to the progressive side of politics has rankled them. Too much status quo shaking, too much talk about raising up the poor and middle-class. Not enough deference.

Someone mentioned yesterday that Joe Biden is the People's President. I think there's some truth in that and the uppity-ups do not like it.

We're teetering on the edge of genuine disaster with the threat of Agent Orange and his Flying Monkey Brigade taking over in November.The people who will be hurt the most are the middle-class, the poor and the vulnerable. Those who think their money, status and profession will protect them are dead wrong.

In the end, fascists go after everyone until there's nothing left but a withering howl.









yorkster

(3,878 posts)
32. The People's President. Wow. Excellent
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 12:05 PM
Jul 2024

message and BUMPER STICKER.

Somebody with the savvy and network should do it.

Thx peggysue2

BigmanPigman

(55,301 posts)
15. And they will all share the same fate...
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:40 AM
Jul 2024

They're digging their own graves. The Dem base is angry at the M$M, all the media. Many have already tuned it out. We are much smarter than they give us credit for. That was their biggest error in judgment and the insulted Dems will not forget. Go bankrupt M$M, ASAP.

Phoenix61

(18,853 posts)
11. I'm in the Florida Panhandle and it's as red as it gets.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:32 AM
Jul 2024

I’ve seen one Trump bumper sticker.

TRUMP
PUTIN
Make America Fascist

Really, in the Walmart parking lot.

themaguffin

(5,260 posts)
14. They want his scalp and then will say "how can the party win changing horses this late?" Fuckers.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:36 AM
Jul 2024

lees1975

(7,089 posts)
16. Aren't we supposed to be the party that is not obligated or run by the rich?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:41 AM
Jul 2024

If they want to use their big bucks as a bribe to get what they want, they need to be told, impolitely, to go jump off a cliff and take their money with them. We don't need them. It appears that small donations are pouring in as they never have before.

It's clear, if these people are trying to hold back their contributions because they want Biden out, that they don't see Trump as an existential threat to American democracy. So cut the losses and move on to the real issue. If they're not committed to the real cause here, then we don't need them. They are only insterested in control, not in saving American democracy.

C_U_L8R

(49,431 posts)
18. They're succeeding at driving away viewers
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:43 AM
Jul 2024

At least that's what sinking ratings indicate. Way to go, media. Maybe they should resign.

C_U_L8R

(49,431 posts)
21. Maybe not all audiences and all media
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 10:50 AM
Jul 2024

Some seem to savor and profit from their daily dose of bullshit. But others prefer to stay well away from manipulative crap. Yet another feature of our great divide. perhaps one day this fever will break. Meanwhile.

ananda

(35,283 posts)
24. Since that's not gonna happen...
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:36 AM
Jul 2024

I predict that it will cause more people to vote for Biden!

CaptainTruth

(8,226 posts)
27. Is anyone still paying attention to it?
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:43 AM
Jul 2024

I've been there, seen that, & I'm done with it. I'm over it. If they keep going they just look like bigger fools.

Botany

(77,528 posts)
28. If people can't see that T.P.T.B. want to force Biden from the race they are blind.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:45 AM
Jul 2024

The man, President Joe is doing an awesome job.

We have the #1 economy in the world, unemployment is @ a something like a
70 year low, inflation was in negative numbers last month, the rivers in th the
Pacific Northwest will run free in the future, and just last week every gay American
who was forced from the military and given dishonorable discharges records will
be cleaned up thanks to President Biden.

Attilatheblond

(9,018 posts)
30. Adios, WaPo. No renewal from me.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 11:58 AM
Jul 2024

Yeah, I figure the more subscribers they lose, the more employees they will can. I feel that. But those people can decide whether or not to have freedom or be under the corporate thumb. There are other ways to make an honest living doing honest reporting.

LilElf70

(1,588 posts)
33. The party needs to unify
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 12:07 PM
Jul 2024

Until they do, it gives the media gas for the car. Get the dems to unify behind Joe. It's pretty obvious by now that he is not going to quit. When will the 10% of dems get back on track, unify, so we can move forward? Yes, this has gone on way too long.

Midnight Writer

(25,529 posts)
34. Every time I turn on the TV or radio and they start in on their crap, I turn it off.
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 12:11 PM
Jul 2024

If they have a story to report, they should report it, whether I like it or not.

But this 24/7 drumbeat, repeated over and over again, is insane. They have no new evidence, and very little old evidence. They just keep bringing on pundits to re-hash the same talking points we have all heard a thousand times before.

Javaman

(65,860 posts)
38. The news cycle will only go for so long
Sat Jul 13, 2024, 12:59 PM
Jul 2024

It’s already pissing people off. If they continue, the media will suddenly find them selves on the outs.

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