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I don't know about you, but I'm frazzled trying to keep track of data & sources. Apologies that many of these are on X. Please feel free to add links & other sources in comments.
Video from just before shooting to car leaving (02:39)
Link to tweet
Video BBC eyewitness interview (07:29)
Link to tweet
Video SS snipers on rooftop (00:11) thanks to superpatriotman
Link to tweet
Fast frame photos, NYT
Link to tweet
Damaged teleprompter as source of glass shrapnel - Debunked. See post #8
POTUS statement
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/13/statement-from-president-joe-biden-6/
VP statement
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/13/statement-by-vice-president-kamala-harris-2/
Obama statement
Link to tweet
@BarackObama
There is absolutely no place for political violence in our democracy. Although we dont yet know exactly what happened, we should all be relieved that former President Trump wasnt seriously hurt, and use this moment to recommit ourselves to civility and respect in our politics. Michelle and I are wishing him a quick recovery.
7:44 PM · Jul 13, 2024
AP Live Updates
https://apnews.com/live/election-biden-trump-campaign-updates-07-13-2024?taid=66930e723162580001097
...and, of course 🙄
Condemnation Pours Out After Trump Rally Shooting. So Do Heated Allegations.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/07/trump-rally-shooting-reaction-republicans/
ultralite001
(2,430 posts)or "F**k"... "F**k"...
crickets
(26,168 posts)crickets
(26,168 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 14, 2024, 12:03 AM - Edit history (1)
eta: overhead pic of rally dais/bleachers layout for perspective
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219150986
Link to tweet
@Thomasfidy
People are going to thank the Secret Service, but, although Im glad they got President Trump out of there alive, it was an absolute failure.
This is the apparent layout of the scene.
Two snipers can be seen in video widely circulated on 𝕏 perched on the (relative) east side of the roof on the red barn behind Trump, with their rifles trained on a rough relative vector of 220 degrees to 270 degrees (southwesterly).
With the shooter being in the relative bear of 250 degrees (not relative to the Secret Service Snipers LOS, but rather the rally stage relative to relative North in the google satellite image orientated here.)
The shooter, who was reportedly on the western side (relative) of the roof, which is raised and out of LOS of the SS snipers, but in LOS of the eyewitness in front of Brenckles Farms & Greenhouses.
That witness reportedly notified police and tried to communicate to the SS on the barn roof that there was an armed gunman.
The communications do not appear to have been timely and/or effectively relayed, and the SS sniper team reacted to shots fired once the sniper came in to view to make his shot attempts.
Then, the screen service dove on Trump, can be heard giving commands to move on ready on you, move and then they dont move.
Instead, other officers decked out in gear rush the stage and block the egress route momentarily.
Then, the SS finally pull Trump up, and instead of picking him up and carrying him out, they patiently wait, with his head at times exposed, as Trump pleads to put his shoes back on.
Then, after he does that, they again let him expose himself (albeit the shooter appears to be neutralized at this point) so that he can pump his fist and jazz up the crowd.
Bullets can travel through hands, other heads, and body parts.
Again, Im glad they got Trump out safe, but for any trained operator it was a poor display.
Hats off to the SS sniper for hitting his shot and neutralizing the assailant, but the entire thing reeks of incompetence.
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10:53 PM · Jul 13, 2024
brush
(61,033 posts)crickets
(26,168 posts)Cha
(317,811 posts)crickets
(26,168 posts)He was registered Republican.
Link to tweet
Confusion regarding Act Blue donation has been cleared up. He did make a $15 donation. Prior tweet replaced.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19154868
Link to tweet
@JuddLegum
This claim has 1K retweets in less than 30 minutes and it's false
Determining the truth requires careful research
Don't use "TruePeopleSearch"
Look at the ACTUAL FEC FILING and the voter registration
Both have the same address and ZIP Code
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3:28 PM · Jul 14, 2024
Sorry for the sources. I had a better one but can't find the link.
Trump Gunman Was Loner Who Wore Hunting Gear to School
https://archive.ph/kHxpG (Daily Beast)
The classmate told CBS affiliate KDKA that Crooks also often wore hunting outfits to school. He provided the affiliate with photos of Crooks in school wearing a Bethel Park High School hoodie.
Crooks graduated from Bethel Park High School in 2022, where he earned a $500 award for achievements in math and science, according to a Bethel Park Journal report. The Bethel Park School District told KDKA it would cooperate with law enforcement officials in their investigation.
Trump shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks was loner relentlessly bullied in high school: classmate
https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-was-bullied-loner-classmate/
https://archive.ph/vc6n3 - for those who don't want to give clicks to NYPost.
Thomas Matthew Crooks was killed by the Secret Service on Saturday evening after he opened fire at the Butler Farm Show grounds, grazing Trump and killing another attendee.
Crooks who graduated from Bethel Park High School in 2022 was a loner who was relentlessly bullied, former classmate Jason Kohler told KDKA.[snip]
He didnt seem like really weird or anything. I would have pegged him as a Republican, one former classmate told The Post in the aftermath of the shooting on Saturday.
What was Thomas Crooks thinking to bring himself to do this? What a waste of a young life. So sad.
eta:
Link found! (After all that...ugh) A few more details in the following article.
Classmates describes Donald Trump shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, as bullied loner
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/presidential-election/2024/07/14/6694214fe2704edc5b8b45dc.html
Thomas Matthew Crooks parents: Who is the Trump shooter's family? What they do?
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/presidential-election/2024/07/14/6693d31a268e3e414c8b458f.html
Yikes, I feel so sorry for his parents.
crickets
(26,168 posts)Quality of original photos was crap - having seen clearer photos, it's obvious the teleprompters are undamaged. The glass story appears to be garbled and erroneous, from information received in the early "heat of the moment" just after the shooting.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19155542

