There is never ever any good that comes from resorting to violence, over personal grievance ..never

[Peacetrain]

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But being always a half glass full kind of person... Hopefully this is a wake up call to those protecting all the candidates and all their families, how in the world did the shooter get that close??.. I heard a interview on tv from someone there who actually saw the shooter on the roof of the building and pointed it out to police standing by before the shooting happened..

Thinking about what happened to Nancy Pelosi's husband with the hammer attack.. or almost happened to Gov Witmer with that kidnapping plot by those looney tunes.. Or Steve Scalise.. the congressman attacked at a baseball game. I mean seriously someone somewhere had to know something was way off kilter with the people who ended up attacking those politicians

And those people who just wanted to go and cheer their person, and someone is now dead.

We as a country have to do better than this..

Its going to be a long week not only for the country trying to figure out how one party is pulling itself apart because another part of the party wants a new candidate?

And the republicans, what kind of convention is that going to end up looking like? That will be looney tunes also. Can you imagine??

It is definitely going to be a long week.. sigh

[bucolic_frolic]

1. In high stakes complex endeavors you need eyes in the back of your head

Which is to say, you need to do everything you believe prudent and expected. THEN you need someone or a couple of people to review what has been done and ask "What could go wrong?" Point out the vulnerabilities, the flaws, the weak points. I don't think too many organizations do this. But I'd bet people of high achievement do it. I'd bet Buffet and Gates do - for their large investments and projects, I mean.

Why no one overseeing the full footprint of the rally site? Drone cameras overhead? Spotters on 4 corners. Obviously they had snipers to defend the site. It should take intense, high-level, experienced planning to exploit whatever vulnerabilities remain. Not something a 20 year old should be able to penetrate.

[claudette]

2. Agree

But I think if it had bee Biden who was shot, the magats would be whining it wasn’t successful

[AZLD4Candidate]

3. The American Revolution was violence. Sounds strange but it was open insurrection and something good came.

So was the Filipino war for independence, first against the Spanish and then us.
So was the Red Turban rebellion and the Boxer Rebellion against the Qing Dynasty
So was Nat Turner.
So was King Pontiac's War
So was the war to overthrow Qaddafi
So was the French Revolution
So was the Haitian Revolution under L'Overture which was mostly a slave rebellion
So was Little Big Horn
So was the Mexican Revolution against Napoleon's brother
So was WW2 against Hitler, Mussolini, and Imperial Japan.

But those obviously produced nothing good.

Speaking of violence:

Kent State
Police brutality against civil rights workers
Police brutality against union organizers
Police brutality against suffragettes.
Trail of Tears
Long March of the Navajo
Mad Anthony Wayne's violence against the Shawnee and Pawnee
Using murder as capital punishment
Police brutality against minorities

Violence is part of politics. Always has been, always will be. When the State does it, it's okay for the most part in human history.

As the musical 1776 stated, "it's only in the third person, their rebellion, is it illegal. When it's the first person, our rebellion, does it become okay."

A blanket statement like "violence is never good" fails to put in perspective the reasons for it. Many times, being Jewish, on Friday nights, I've heard the question "if you could go back in time and kill Hitler before he became what he was, would you” and people normally say "yes." That's violence.

No, I am not advocating violence, but there have been many times in history, and even here on DU, where violence has been advocated in ways that are acceptable to most. I gave a few examples. I would doubt people here would claim Nat Turner's violence against slave owners was not good. Or that Custer didn't get what he deserved and earned at Little Big Horn. Or that the Filipino's of violence or even the Vietnamese use of violence to get imperial powers out of their country was wrong.

[Peacetrain]

5. you have a point.. I did not make that specific enough.. it was in my head.. but not on paper

thank you.. changed the title..

[Voltaire2]

4. The destruction of Nazi Germany was a good result. NT

[Peacetrain]

6. See post 5

I agree I did not make it specific enough..

[AZLD4Candidate]

7. This I completely agree with