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RipVanWinkle

(268 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:10 AM Jul 2024

"Something 'FISHY And Suspicious' About Trump Assassination Attempt" Says Security Expert

I have no knowledge of the reliability and accuracy of the YouTube channel nor its guest, international security expert Will Geddes.

We need to wait for the results of the investigation to be made public.

Transcript:
0:00 Really, really interesting to wonder where this is going to go.
0:05 Well, we'll get as is now ready he's an international security expert.
0:08 You may have just hope we will morning to you discussing how earth someone in such an obvious rooftop position with a clear line
0:18 of sight to the former president how an earth they weren't picked up on by the security services, how they
0:24 were able to get on the roof and mount a rifle in such vision and in such clear view of everyone
0:33 and get to the stage where
0:36 they can actually fire shots.
It's it's a standing crystal, I'll be honest with
0:42 you there is something a little bit fishy about the situation because
0:46 ultimately when you're running the protection of a principle, one of the biggest concerns
0:52 that you will always have is if you're taking them into open spaces it could be out either seen,
0:59 promoting talking canvassing whatever it might
1:02 be that wherever you have that event, you want to lock it down and secure it as much as possible.
1:09 And the secret service that will be attached to to President Trump should
1:14 have got all of the highest positions, the overviews that there would
1:19 be of the event space covered and that's not only the spaces that they themselves can then observe everybody who may be
1:26 on the grounds, anybody you might be in the vicinity.
1:29 Anybody you might be as a priority.
1:34 But also on, but also on the city, but also on other rooftops in apartment windows in office windows.
1:40 So there's something a little bits, a little bit suspicious about this.
1:44 When you say suspicious what do you quite mean by that?
1:49 Well it really falls into one of two areas.
1:52 There is either incompetence in terms of the security planning
1:56 or collaboration or collusion in terms of enabling there to
2:01 be a vacuum, a void within the security that could be potentially
2:06 filled.
2:07 I hope it's not, I mean I hope it's neither to be absolutely honest with you
2:11 but at the moment is very difficult to draw any speculation as it's been either one or the other.
2:17 Is there any defence perhaps that the secret service
2:22 can complete on this because apparently it was outside of the perimeter of their remit if you like
2:30 that this shooter was on a roof quite far
2:32 way, apparently from this rally?
2:37 So is that anything they can say that perhaps they couldn't have a seat?
2:44 Not really.
2:45 I think again, I'm finding is really difficult for it to be a defensible position by the secret service unless there
2:53 was such a lapse or there were some breakdown of failure obviously by someone within the who said this down,
2:59 Chris I don't get any bomb.
3:00 I know and have some friends who were in the secret service and they
3:04 are incredibly competent and they're very well rehearsed and very well experienced having had numerous the terms,
3:11 assassination of terms and various different types against all the presidents.
3:16 know that they have their game plan very well set out but the concern is and I don't subscribe to a conspiracy theorist,
3:23 Chris.
3:23 You and I have known each other in a number of years when if you ever heard
3:26 me endorse a conspiracy theory but this is just very, very odd
3:31 that this open position and with rifles, whether it be something which is built to shoot
3:39 with a parabellum from a great distance, there are some serious questions to be asked
3:44 that you try and put your principal into a pocket of security that they
3:58 I know one of the biggest challenges as we've seen in the world where someone right next to the stage
4:03 of where they're talking.
4:05 I think I think we were losing you for just a moment.
4:11 Listen, what really interesting to get your update on this.
4:13 I think we're losing the connection a little bit there, so we'll leave it.
4:16 Thank you so much for telling us what you think of that.
4:22 Again, I don't over conspiracy theories much. I do a little bit, but not note.
4:27 But I can see where we're coming from on that because it is quite staggering.
4:34 If you look at some of the footage, it's quite staggering just the open space that this shooter was from.
4:42 And again, members of the crowd, there's interviews with the crowd off for saying we were pointing
4:46 because saying look, there's this guy over there about to shoot
4:50 at former President Trump, so it's quite staggering that this person was missed.
4:57 So, you know, gross incompetence or something more sinister?
5:00 Well those are going to be the kinds of that will be asked and they're the kinds of questions
5:05 that we will keep asking here on
5:07 talk in the next hour as we have Rich and Palace I yield.


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"Something 'FISHY And Suspicious' About Trump Assassination Attempt" Says Security Expert (Original Post) RipVanWinkle Jul 2024 OP
(MSNBC) Just Saw A Guy Who Was Interviewed By The BBC WiVoter Jul 2024 #1
He told police, and the police thought the secret service guys were handling it FakeNoose Jul 2024 #18
Sloppy WiVoter Jul 2024 #19
were the former Uvalde cops hired to do policing here? Takket Jul 2024 #24
Putting a pin in this because the fact that they didn't secure rooftops is just a screaming CousinIT Jul 2024 #2
I keep wondering about that Tree Lady Jul 2024 #26
They have to make sure the person is a threat. If they had shot and killed an innocent person their life would have Quixote1818 Jul 2024 #37
If, IF it is true the shooter was only 130 yards away .... Then something psycho wrong. 4139 Jul 2024 #3
He was about 400 feet/125 meters away obamanut2012 Jul 2024 #5
I'm at a Costco waiting for it to open; looking at took line ... 4139 Jul 2024 #7
Yeah, Pretty Close ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #36
yeah, that's really crazy ... that's shorter than it is from my front porch to the corner ... can't fishwax Jul 2024 #20
What I thought odd The Blue Flower Jul 2024 #4
Don't make me defend him, but that seemed like a natural reaction, and likely one the SS has coached him to do Emrys Jul 2024 #10
I was thinking bdamomma Jul 2024 #22
IMO, it's reasonable to doubt that a bullet caused Trump's ear injury. RipVanWinkle Jul 2024 #15
He held his ear before he ducked down Polybius Jul 2024 #33
I'm pretty certain he's had his share of, let's say, 'unpolite' mail. My guess is he knew what it was pretty quick WesternWind Jul 2024 #16
Actually, high-powered rifle bullets don't "whiz" by William Seger Jul 2024 #25
Another poster suggested that the bullet actually hit the teleprompter FakeNoose Jul 2024 #21
OMG MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2024 #34
He touched his ear, looked at his fingers and saw the blood. That's when he dropped. ms liberty Jul 2024 #29
I worked in Newark, N.J. 1966. I worked in the Military Park building. He spoke in Military Park. 3Hotdogs Jul 2024 #6
+1, and this rooftop was less than 500 feet away from podium !!! This is a huge miss by SS uponit7771 Jul 2024 #14
Living former presidents bottomofthehill Jul 2024 #8
Former Presidents bottomofthehill Jul 2024 #9
They use to, see my post above Tree Lady Jul 2024 #27
Slightly different Polybius Jul 2024 #31
Who picked this location for the Rally.... Historic NY Jul 2024 #11
Two teams of SS -- that may have been part of the problem William Seger Jul 2024 #17
"I have no knowledge of the reliability and accuracy of the YouTube channel nor its guest," WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #12
Yeah, I got vibes of a setup to get Dear Leader not fooled Jul 2024 #23
Another tell tell sign when Convicted Felon is still referred as president MagickMuffin Jul 2024 #30
Thanks. MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2024 #35
I don't give Benedict Donald any benefit of the doubt, NONE ... he is an asshole who doesn't care who gets killed uponit7771 Jul 2024 #13
The video didn't imply it was Trump Polybius Jul 2024 #32
The movie "Shooter" comes to mind. They show in detail what it should take to even try and get a shot at a president. brewens Jul 2024 #28
The President has far greater security then a former president does Kaleva Jul 2024 #38
That transcript is basically incoherent. niyad Jul 2024 #39

WiVoter

(1,573 posts)
1. (MSNBC) Just Saw A Guy Who Was Interviewed By The BBC
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:18 AM
Jul 2024

He told local police that he saw the guy on the roof with a gun and they seemed to hesitate & said “The next thing, five shots rang out.”

CousinIT

(12,365 posts)
2. Putting a pin in this because the fact that they didn't secure rooftops is just a screaming
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:20 AM
Jul 2024

oversight on the part of the Secret Service and/or security. If people were pointing at the gunman on the roof and SS did nothing?

Tree Lady

(13,107 posts)
26. I keep wondering about that
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:39 AM
Jul 2024

I went to Reno with my mom decades ago and old man Bush was talking at convention center across the street from my high rise hotel I was staying in. I had direct view of it but windows didn't open. There were guards on all rooftops nearby I showed them to my mom. And he was a former president also at the time not the current one. But not long after he lost to Clinton.

I think the SS screwed up security.

Quixote1818

(31,147 posts)
37. They have to make sure the person is a threat. If they had shot and killed an innocent person their life would have
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 11:24 PM
Jul 2024

been fucked. Crooks was sneaking up a slanted roof. The SS who were behind Trump were probably just alerted to look in that direction as they have a 360 degree view. They probably didn't see him until right before he fired and then they had to be 100% sure he was a threat and had a gun. They were probably a split second too late. However, not having someone in that area is huge oversight though. That's the one thing that stands out for me. But from what I have heard, it's the local police who are supposed to guard the outer perimeter.

4139

(2,008 posts)
7. I'm at a Costco waiting for it to open; looking at took line ...
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:35 AM
Jul 2024

400 feet is f-ing close.

The Secret Service counter snipers should’ve been ON THAT ROOF to look for bad guys

ProfessorGAC

(76,144 posts)
36. Yeah, Pretty Close
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 11:02 AM
Jul 2024

When I went to rifle competitions, I did the scopeless division.
175, 350 & 500 feet were the three ranges they used.
500 feet is not very far for a rifle, even without a scope. Hard, but hardly impossible.

fishwax

(29,346 posts)
20. yeah, that's really crazy ... that's shorter than it is from my front porch to the corner ... can't
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:15 AM
Jul 2024

conceive of how that would be outside the security perimeter for an event like this. The Secret Service definitely has some explaining to do.

The Blue Flower

(6,407 posts)
4. What I thought odd
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:26 AM
Jul 2024

drumpf touched his ear, then immediately dropped. This coward has never been in combat. I'd expect there to be a moment of him puzzling over what just happened, then dropping.

Emrys

(8,977 posts)
10. Don't make me defend him, but that seemed like a natural reaction, and likely one the SS has coached him to do
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:47 AM
Jul 2024

Many of the people on the bleachers behind him also got down as best they could in a crowded space. It was chaos, and we know what was happening with hindsight, but they didn't.

I wonder if seats that close to Trump will be in less demand in future rallies?

bdamomma

(69,354 posts)
22. I was thinking
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:26 AM
Jul 2024

that this incident may detour the cult from attending another outside rally, but they are too propagandized not to attend. They will still go to see their convicted felon cult leader.

RipVanWinkle

(268 posts)
15. IMO, it's reasonable to doubt that a bullet caused Trump's ear injury.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:04 AM
Jul 2024

The ear injury could have been caused by something else.

Polybius

(21,633 posts)
33. He held his ear before he ducked down
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:48 AM
Jul 2024

So that would eliminate him getting cut because the SS piled on top of him. But you are right, it could have been from something the bullet hit.

WesternWind

(4 posts)
16. I'm pretty certain he's had his share of, let's say, 'unpolite' mail. My guess is he knew what it was pretty quick
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:07 AM
Jul 2024

You don't have to be in combat to know when someone's shooting at you. Trust me. You pick up someone is shooting at you really fast. Your butt puckers and everything! You don't need coaching to get down, not at all. Bullets whizzing by really do speak for themselves. When you hear them, they say, "DUCK!!!"

I mean, who really knows about this sort of stuff. I have learned to just wait and see and often the first few days are meaningless. The FBI really does do great work. Most of the time. I know they have their detractors but for the most part the men and women who work there are amazing. They're too Republican by and large but all in all a great group of people. I, for one, am gonna give them some time to do the work. This has got to be crazy for them, imagine trying to figure this mess out with the entire world watching! They won't get any pressure from me right now. In a few days though, there are a lot of questions that need answering.

FakeNoose

(40,739 posts)
21. Another poster suggested that the bullet actually hit the teleprompter
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:18 AM
Jul 2024

... and a piece of glass from the teleprompter flew up and dinged his ear.

Also I'm pretty sure those lecterns are designed to be bullet proof. The Secret Service would have trained Chump to dive behind the lectern if there's ever a threat. So he did it not because he fell down, it was a purposeful act.

ms liberty

(11,074 posts)
29. He touched his ear, looked at his fingers and saw the blood. That's when he dropped.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:52 AM
Jul 2024

I zoomed in on the video last night when I rewatched it, bc I was looking at that too.

3Hotdogs

(15,148 posts)
6. I worked in Newark, N.J. 1966. I worked in the Military Park building. He spoke in Military Park.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:34 AM
Jul 2024

Day before the speech, SS. in our office.

We were directed to pull the shades down and keep the windows closed.

SS were on rooftops across the street.


The point is, the rooftops of the nearby buildings were ALL occupied by SS people.

bottomofthehill

(9,354 posts)
8. Living former presidents
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:39 AM
Jul 2024

Carter
Clinton
Bush
Obama
Trump
Does anyone think they clear rooflines when former presidents move or speak.
There is one President, one continuity of government person. Formers are not treated the same as Presidents. There are not enough people in the secret service.

bottomofthehill

(9,354 posts)
9. Former Presidents
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:40 AM
Jul 2024

Carter
Clinton
Bush
Obama
Trump
Does anyone think they clear rooflines when former presidents move or speak.
There is one President, one continuity of government person. Formers are not treated the same as Presidents. There are not enough people in the secret service.

Tree Lady

(13,107 posts)
27. They use to, see my post above
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:43 AM
Jul 2024

I saw SS on roof tops where old man Bush was talking decades ago after he was president.

Polybius

(21,633 posts)
31. Slightly different
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:42 AM
Jul 2024

The security detail gets heavily bumped up when one unofficially clinches the nomination of a major Party.

Historic NY

(39,807 posts)
11. Who picked this location for the Rally....
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:47 AM
Jul 2024

and why. The place was surrounded by cops, state police, ems, SS , but a lone guy wandering around the perimeter with an assault style rifle is ignored. Trump has two teams of SS

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,668 posts)
12. "I have no knowledge of the reliability and accuracy of the YouTube channel nor its guest,"
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:53 AM
Jul 2024

These things are pretty easy to research actually and it's generally good internet hygiene to do so. TalkTV is a Murdoch operation and apparently Sebastian Gorka was on that show as well sooooo....

not fooled

(6,624 posts)
23. Yeah, I got vibes of a setup to get Dear Leader
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:33 AM
Jul 2024

I started wondering about the guest.

And, as an aside NBC was running a special program on the matter when I tuned in just now, in which the mayor of nearby? town Slippery Rock was interviewed. A trumper who was at the rally, he said the rhetoric "from the left" unfairly targeting trump as a wannabe fascist who will get rid of democracy and women's rights might have led to this. What a maroon!

MagickMuffin

(18,219 posts)
30. Another tell tell sign when Convicted Felon is still referred as president
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:35 AM
Jul 2024


Whenever I hear anyone still refer to him as president I know whoever says it is maga.


Polybius

(21,633 posts)
32. The video didn't imply it was Trump
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:44 AM
Jul 2024

The guy said it was likely incompetence of it was purposely allowed to happen. I think it was incompetence.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
28. The movie "Shooter" comes to mind. They show in detail what it should take to even try and get a shot at a president.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:44 AM
Jul 2024

You'd think this guy had no escape plan. In Shooter it was to set up the hero and they had to get away. If he did have an escape plan, even a stupid one, it will be interesting to find out.

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