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[LeftInTX]

1. Likely. He looked like an awkward kid.

[Blue Full Moon]

12. Those 2 go hand in hand

The bullying estranges the victim. The ones that bullied him in part are responsible. It is done on purpose. Those wounds don't heal easily. The kid was smart and probably why he got attacked for it. No different than getting attacked for gender indenty or what ever difference you want to insert. Targeting clothes or hairstyles are an easy target. Schools need a way to end this. Blaming the victim is wrong. Cliques need busted up at school. There was a experiment with staggering times for groups. That way there was a break up not all the children were there together. For this young man it is now water under the bridge, but it could help others in the future.
PS I expect better from here on DU for making fun how someone chooses to dress.

[anobserver2]

2. Praying for all those who attended that campaign event, including of course former President Trump

I was very glad President Biden reached out immediately to former President Trump, by phoning him, and glad that they spoke shortly after this tragedy.

[Freddie]

3. Suicide by cop

Also at his age, serious mental illness often manifests.

[Freddie]

17. He was working in the kitchen of a nursing home

According to reports

[womanofthehills]

22. It's reported he was working at a rehab facility

A fellow employee said he was very kind with the residents helping them with their meals.

He had just graduated from a two yr community college.

[Blue Full Moon]

13. Years of bullying

Can cause that. Cruel comments cut like a knife. Then the child starts to think that what is being told to them is the truth.

[npk]

4. Could be true

And well you know the GOP makes it real easy for guns to wind up in the hands of the mentally ill.

[womanofthehills]

25. It was his father's gun & supposedly his

Father believed his son was at the gun range.

[vanamonde]

8. This reminded me of the 1966 UTA tower shooting

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

An excerpt:
Although Whitman's autopsy revealed a pecan-sized tumor in the white matter above his amygdala, the tumor was not connected to any sensory nerves. Nonetheless, some experts believe this tumor may have contributed to the violent impulses which Whitman had been exhibiting for several years prior to the massacre.[3]: 54 [5]

[karynnj]

19. Is it possible that "terrible shot" could be translated as not wanted in our club?

Like yours, my Indiana high school did not have a gun club. Most, maybe all the clubs accepted all kids that signed up. An embarrassing memory is that I seriously considered joining sign painters club in spite of having no artistic skills because I had lots of friends in it ... and had a crush on one of them. There was no thought of being rejected by the club, just that I would be terrible.

[yagotme]

20. Years ago, shooting clubs were quite common.

You would bring in your rifle (generally a .22), lock it in a cabinet at the school range, go to classes, and after school, the cabinet would be unlocked, and then the club would have their practice. My school used to have archery during PE at least until about '79 or so.

[Kaleva]

14. This will disappoint some here if the kid didn't have a political agenda

[sir pball]

15. TBH I've sort of thought this all along, an impulsive suicide by cop

I mean…I have a hard time believing this was premeditated; there's no way he could have known that rooftop would be accessible and unsecured, quite the opposite ("An elevated position inside of 200m with a clear line of sight, no way you're getting there!&quot , I'd guess he decided on the spur of the moment to grab the rifle and go out in a blaze of glory, when he got close in and saw the available sharpshooting perch he figured "why the hell not?"

But that's just my 2¢

[Buckeyeblue]

16. I don't think it was politically motivated. It was another mass shooting

It just happened to be at a Trump rally.

[yagotme]

21. Sometimes, the "taking medication for depression" isn't the problem.

It's when they decide, on their own, to stop taking it. That's when the monster pops up.

[ck4829]

23. Or if they can't afford it, "world's greatest healthcare" for ya

[yagotme]

24. That, too. nt

[Kaleva]

28. I know that to be true from personal experience

[yagotme]

29. Sad when that happens.

Before meds, not doing well, taking meds, better, stop taking meds, worse than before.

[Kaleva]

31. I have to be on full alert when the meds run out

and before the refills arrive.

[yagotme]

32. Sorry you have to go through that.

[ScratchCat]

26. Not to disparage an entire profession

5) Both his parents are employed as: licensed behavioral therapists!!!!

But when I heard this yesterday, it made we wonder about how his parents raised him. Its common for people in this line of work to act "too rational" with children when they are young and to treat them like a patient rather than a child.

We'll probably never know what happened.

[Think. Again.]

27. If trying to kill someone is not considered a clear indication of mental illness...

...then this country is in worse shape than we thought.

[yagotme]

30. You are correct. nt

[democratsruletheday]

35. So he was a Repuke....

his Dad is a Libertarian and his Mom is a Dem. But neighbors reported Trump lawn signs. WTF....

[Model35mech]

36. Ya, well he could'nt have been an alien from a moon of Jupiter.

Even if we might think that makes a good story.

Mental illness is blamed way to often for shootings. Most shooters get away clean and we know NOTHING of their mental health. Only about 38% of gun killings are ever solved as to killer. Making stereotypes when 70% of the data is missing is something of a statistical problem.

BOTH of Crooks parents were mental health providers (although it's unclear to me what credentials they currently held). I kinda, sorta, want to believe that educated, experienced psychological advisors like his parents would have recognized an outstanding problem with their son.

But then he may have been lost among the chaff. 20% of persons in the US experience mental disorders every year. Of that percent less than 1% ever end up in therapy, due to costs, access issues, or repulsion to seek therapy by the disordered. So we can't completely discount the possibility that Crooks successfully hid his problems. Many tens of millions of Americans do that every year.

A 1 in 5 chance that he had a mental disorder makes the meaning of any guess pretty hollow. A huge number of Americans, millions upon millions, have mental disorders every year. We don't have millions upon millions of people gunned down.

Rather less than 6% of known mentally disordered ever commit an act of violence such as hitting or grabbing a person. and much much less than 1% of know mentally disordered shoot someone.