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Link to tweet
I have no doubt this is an injury, I have no doubt he believes it was a bullet I have no doubt this is blood. I also have no doubt this is a shard of glass. Which means the shooter wasn't aiming as much as pulling the trigger. That would change the direction of the investigation would it not?

tinrobot
(12,062 posts)Straw Man
(6,947 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,952 posts)Second of all, that's quite the slim profile ear monitor he has in there.
Not specifically a problem in general - it's handy for speakers to be able to get cues from event management, but this supports that it may not be obvious he always has someone helping him. Like in the debate when he seemed to come up with weird facts two questions later. Someone was internet researching for him on the fly.
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)Wheres the blood coming from in the foreear/top of the ear area?
lame54
(39,770 posts)PeaceWave
(3,383 posts)diva77
(7,880 posts)Nevilledog
(55,080 posts)
lame54
(39,770 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)..the red we're seeing in that teleprompter is the red carpet, the image in the upper corner is not damage, it is the reflection of something or someone on or near the carpet.
You'll notice another reflection of something other than the carpet in the diagonally opposite corner of the teleprompter.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)Without independent confirmation, this is just conjecture, at best, and an intentional fake, at worst.
My money is on the latter. We really should stop posting this crap, until it is confirmed by other sources.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)The teleprompter was not broken. And why would the "direction of the investigation" change?
RussBLib
(10,635 posts)....that all of the teleprompters were undamaged?
Liberal In Texas
(16,270 posts)and there are only two of them. A typical setup is one on the left and one on the right.


Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)(I've seen another picture with it circled.) It looks like a chip has been taken out.
crickets
(26,168 posts)Link to tweet
Also:
Link to tweet
From the camera facing side with light reflecting off the surface, the glass looks fine. From the back with light shining through, a layer of glass appears to be chipped away.
Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)crickets
(26,168 posts)From Celerity's post here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19155542
With a crisp photo, the teleprompters appear completely undamaged. What looked like a chip is just an interesting reflection. I really was convinced there was glass involved because of how unlikely seems to graze the ear with ammo from an AR 15 and not cause more damage. He is one lucky SOB.

very curious how an AR15 could just graze an ear - don't they really eat things up?
crickets
(26,168 posts)I am not a gun person, so those who are please feel free to weigh in.
I'm wondering if the bullet was just shy, but still close enough for the pressure wave around the bullet to cause the damage to tfg's ear. It probably felt like contact and hurt, but if it had actually gotten close enough to physically graze the ear, it seems like he actually would have lost part of his ear and perhaps had some injury to his head as well. Again, I could be full of crap, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
At some point, it would be nice if we got more information in a formal report to clarify exactly what happened. I'm not holding my breath.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,504 posts)They are relatively weak in comparison to most rifle calibers. The bullet grazed his ear. That's it. There would be no other damage as the ear is nothing but skin and cartiliage. The pressure wave from a bullet only matters when it enters a body. Outside of the body it does nothing. Also, if i remember correctly, cartilage is typically white or pale yellow in color as it does not contain blood vessels.
Source: I got a grazing wound to my upper thigh in Iraq. The bullet went through my pocket and grazed my thigh. Bullet was from an AK which fires a larger bullet then the AR. Had no other damage to my thigh.
crickets
(26,168 posts)Your post and one from Bernardo de La Paz have helped me understand the amount of contact needed for the bullet to do more damage. tfg himself has no idea how astronomically lucky he was.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19157292
I think I just watched too many Mythbusters episodes back in the day. 😆
Yikes, I am so glad your thigh wound was not more serious.
Soft tissues with little mass it will go through. The round itself hitting bone and deflecting is what does damage to a body.
DFW
(60,186 posts)And that is very unfortunate. Now hell demand the Purple Heart be awarded to him on national TV.
Liberal In Texas
(16,270 posts)If a bullet hit a piece of that glass - anywhere along the edge - you'd see a lot of damage if not a completely disintegrated. This isn't like automotive glass or window glass. It's called an Optical Grade Beamsplitter Mirror. It's not made to be bulletproof. And I don't know for sure, something striking any part at a high velocity would take a lot more out of it than a small chip.
More information will no doubt be released in the next day or so and this whole glass shard theory will be put to rest.
Blue Cape
(351 posts)that is entirely different from an assassination attempt.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)These assertions just keep getting sillier. The concept that Trump was just collateral damage is laughable.
Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)He probably had them all sign a non disclosure statement so we';; never know they truth.
Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)HIPAA protects Trump's medical information just as much as it protects yours.
BlueYonder
(28 posts)Hearing from the doctors that treated Trump afterwards. Why in the world have we not heard from them?
And why is no one, in the media that I've seen so far, asking about the doctors?
FloridaBlues
(4,668 posts)BlueYonder
(28 posts)livetohike
(24,282 posts)on the Drs and there has been none. One would think a Dr (who treated him) would report on a past Presidents injury.
And also the national media. Where are they at on this? Again, I've not heard any major news outlet even mention the doctors that treated Trump. It's like it is a complete blackout about the doctors as far as the media is concerned.
It's really strange.
misanthrope
(9,495 posts)**
then let's hear the doctors say that.
Instead of a complete blackout it appears in the media about what happened at the hospital and what the doctors saw/did.
Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)He is under no obligation to authorize release of his medical information, and without his consent HIPAA prevents disclosure by the doctors.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,668 posts)If he had stitches, glass, metal, any other injuries?
In this case it would be important for that information. The press would be screaming for medical update for Pres Biden.
musicblind
(4,563 posts)but why would it even matter? It doesn't make it any better or worse?
3catwoman3
(29,406 posts)...yesterday, this is a negligible amount of blood from an area of the body that typically bleeds profusely fro even a tiny nick, so this is not a major injury, however it was caused.
MOMFUDSKI
(7,080 posts)got back up the smear of blood on his face was still as bright. Wouldnt real blood start going brownish as it dries?
3catwoman3
(29,406 posts)I found this scientific article when I Googled the topic. If you are interested, scroll down to page 10 and you'll find a picture of the color changes drying blood goes thru. The caption didn't say over what period of time these pictures were taken.
Probably need a forensic pathologist for a better answer than I can supply.
Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)3catwoman3
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WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)Blue Cape
(351 posts)It means that it can't be ruled out that he just wanted to inflict damage, not necessarily specific damage. It makes a world of difference if Trump was hit by a ricochet versus directly aimed at. Both for the investigation and dialing down the nutter rhetoric.
This dude was one of their own. This is their dog that came off the leash, rabid.
Iwasthere
(3,512 posts)Why would they totally ignore people screaming and pointing to the shooter for 4 minutes? Explain THAT.
WhiskeyGrinder
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AkFemDem
(2,508 posts)Are you seriously suggesting that's just a coincidence?? That he just meant to hit random folks and Trump happened to be there in front of his muzzle? This place is getting weirder by the hour.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)He could have landed on something when he hit the deck. He could have been stepped on as the SS agents covered him.
But to me, it doesn't look like its gushing blood. Yes, there is blood. But still not what I would consider a whole lot of blood loss.
3catwoman3
(29,406 posts)It's not even bleeding heavily.
Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)Not from a bullet, but a tear clean through the cartilage in her ear. There was a fair amount of blood, but it wasn't gushing. Probably similar to what I see in the photo of Trump.
Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)A bullet grazed his ear and continued on into the audience and killed an audience member. Was it glass too that killed him? Another bulltet also wounded a woman in the audience.
Stop the misinformation.
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brush
(61,033 posts)And how does it being a glass fragment, from intact teleprompters btw, make them any less incompetent? They still allowed a shooter witha long gun get a clear shot at their protectee.
You can go on trusting them. I don't.
TommyT139
(2,357 posts)...than a named reporter whose post got retweeted (thank God) before she removed it, almost certainly for self-protection (and protection of her source).
Joe Biden promised to release all results of his team's investigation. So we'll have to wait.
brush
(61,033 posts)MSNBC and saw what happened. He turned his head to the right to address a chart on stage and a bullet grazed his right ear. Not a glass fragment from a teleprompter, which btw, were all IN Front of the podium and intact afterwards. The bullter that grazed his ear continued on and killed an audience membger.
Nothing to do with truisting the orange turd, it's just what happened.
If trump hadn't turned his head to the right ge migh've been killed. A better shot might've killed him too.
Check the video out, it's not hard to find. The shot seems to have come from the his left and rear.
Thanks to the Secret Service's "great job", a 20-year-old shooter got a clear shot at their protectee's head.
And Pres. Biden has to depend on the same competency, or incompetency, for protection.
I'm worried.
TommyT139
(2,357 posts)Clearly there are multiple interpretations.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)been aiming at him. If he wanted to inflict random damage and not kill Trump
why was he obviously aiming towards Trump?
GreenWave
(12,641 posts)happy feet
(1,279 posts)his head was turned all the way to the right so his right ear was turned exactly opposite the teleprompter.
egduj
(881 posts)RockRaven
(19,373 posts)but if someone wants to more specifically explain what is supposedly glass then go ahead.
unblock
(56,198 posts)he shot close enough in the direction of donnie either for the bullet to strike his ear or for a shard of glass presumably moving in largely the same direction to strike his ear.
i don't see how this matters in terms of anything of significance. either way, he very likely was trying to kill him.
either way, i suppose one may argue he was trying for a near miss.
unless somehow the bullet was *way* off from donnie and the shard of glass went in a rather different direction and it was clearly a fluke that it happened to hit his ear, it doesn't really matter whether the damaged was caused directly or indirectly from the bullet.
EX500rider
(12,583 posts)Not sure why it matters, someone shot at him, he was wounded one way or another and another person is dead.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)I always look to foreign A/V producers for my medical expertise.
sir pball
(5,340 posts)
Let it go, let it goooooooo
niyad
(132,440 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)It doesn't have to be THE bullet.
niyad
(132,440 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)Which seemed to suggest you believed he was not hit with a bullet because he wasn't hit with that specific bullet.
niyad
(132,440 posts)caused the injury to his ear. And, given how his "doctors" lie, not sure I would even believe a doctor's report, should there ever be one made public. Shruggggg, call me cynical and suspicious, but nine years of his BS, and msm lying and hysteria, tends to do that.
Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)But that would be one heck of a coincidence, that at the precise time bullets were flying around, something else hit his ear (given that the teleprompters were intact after the shots).
The series of 3 photos makes it pretty clear that he reacted to something hitting his ear that was small enough that it wasn't visible in the photos/video, reached up and felt his ear, came away with a bloody hand. That also matches the video of the incident I've seen from other much the same angle.
agingdem
(8,849 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:44 PM - Edit history (1)
a bullet from an assault rifle would have exploded Trumps ear and taken a chunk of his scalp is that true?
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)It nicked him. The injury is consistent with that. 1/4" over and it would have been much much worse.
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agingdem
(8,849 posts)DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,504 posts)The bullet wouldn't have had enough time to transfer any heat energy that it had. The ear is thin and has little mass. A bullet grazing it would have encountered little resistance so little kinetic or thermal energy would have transferred. It just plows through the bit of skin and cartiliage and continues on its way. A good comparison would be paper targets. Punches holes clean through without destroying the paper or burning it. Also, I've had a grazing wound. No burns, no damage beyond the graze and it was from a larger bullet than what was shot at trump.
Celerity
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crickets
(26,168 posts)Because of the poor quality of every image I'd seen before, I truly thought there was a chip out of the back of one teleprompter. With this level of clarity, it's finally obvious to me that it is a reflection after all.
Honestly though, trying to suss out what really happened isn't necessarily buying into conspiracies so much as going through the process of finding literal clarity on the situation. Now, when people start spinning out wacky "it was staged!" theories, I am right there with you. Yowsa. 🙄
Also, I wish it were glass. Cartilage? Ew.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)crickets
(26,168 posts)Knowing is one thing. Seeing it is... *hork*
Celerity
(54,407 posts)Brenda
(2,054 posts)This place sure looks like Info Wars sometimes.
How come any mention of Building 7 WTC will get scrubbed at DU but Trump "Van Gogh" moment being a false flag is not?
Celerity
(54,407 posts)The grifter CT loon Louise Mensch had a big fanclub here on DU from all that I have seen (some of it via DU search), for example.
Pro-tip to all:
Do some backgrounding.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/louise-mensch-my-mind-is-messed-up-after-taking-hard-drugs-7920094.html


rzemanfl
(31,375 posts)It may be that they are not getting facts from the folks that have them. The "glass from the monitor" thing is one of many theories that grew out of the lack of information. Drumpf's lying about the extent of the wound is another factor. I am still puzzled about this whole thing.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)Are Schumer, Newsom or Hillary getting accurate info but are not sharing it right now? I would think they have some connections to get to the bottom of this.
duncang
(3,767 posts)The main thing I have a problem with is he was facing towards his right. The teleprompter was behind and left of him. Seems if it was glass from the teleprompter it would have hit his left side or back of his head.
LisaL
(47,423 posts)NT
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Blaukraut
(5,998 posts)That being said: Never mind the glass or not glass. Does it look like he's wearing a hearing aid of some sort? That might explain why he bellows all the time. When my mom was losing her hearing, she started speaking louder and louder.
Ms. Toad
(38,637 posts)During his presidency, it was explained as a translation device. But there was no need for him to be translating anything at the rally.
True Dough
(26,667 posts)the shooter didn't graze Trump's scrotum! That would be true marksmanship, however!
claudette
(5,455 posts)Like glass to me. These wild conspiracies are running rampant and serve no useful purpose.
AkFemDem
(2,508 posts)And maybe just importantly- so what if it was? If Crooks were actually a BAD shot and missed his primary target and hit a teleprompter instead- turning a shard of glass into a projectile that injured Trump, is that somehow less.... attempted assassiny? For his part- I haven't seen any indication Trump's been exaggerating the injury and suggesting its grave or incapacitating. If someone shot at you- and either tipped your ear with a bullet OR hit the glass in front of you and it tipped your ear, would you feel less targeted by a crazed gunman?
It really irks me that people on this site are making me defend the man- but this weird fixation on trying to prove Trumps injury isn't serious or the consequence of a gunman is WEIRD and irrational.
Freethinker65
(11,203 posts)If Trump had walked away unscathed, it was still an attempt to kill him and/or his supporters. That is an assassination attempt. The shooter was a 20 yo, not an expert marksman. There was no planning for optics to make Trump look good. This NEVER should have happened. Trump has security. An investigation is warranted.
Right after it happened, and Trump was down, Trump was concerned about people finding out about his shoe lifts, he most likely didn't even know then he was bleeding. He was just normal vain Trump. My 92 yo mom took a fall and there was lots of blood from where she grazed her head. She was cracking jokes, saying she was sorry she fell. Tried to immediately get up (impossible for months to do actually). She had no idea she was even bleeding. It didn't begin to hurt until several hours later and she had horrible bruising for over two weeks covering half way down her face.
Wingus Dingus
(9,173 posts)LearnedHand
(5,499 posts)Snort. Guess his handlers are feeding his lines so he won't sound as crazy.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)The longer streak in the photo is his dyed blond hair.
ForgedCrank
(3,096 posts)that changes everything then.
manicdem
(536 posts)Does it make it any better if he was getting shot at and it was shattered glass rather than a bullet? Not seeing it.
Bilbo Baggins
(26 posts)I thought that when I first saw it.
Teleprompter? Probly
Then, when his ear was still there on his skull, in the picture, it was clear.
An AR-15 bullet would not have left an ear standing at that spot and he would not be standing with a fist in the air screaming fight
Are we being fed another pile of orange swill?
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Imagine the bullet flying by one nanometre from his ear. His ear hairs feel air turbulence.
Now imagine it one millimetre closer. It will just skim the surface of the skin. It doesn't matter how much kinetic energy it is carrying, that energy will not get transferred en masse to the flesh. But it will abrade the skin one millimetre deep.
Now, a couple of millimetres lower. The earlobe is only a few millimetres deep before you reach the white cartilage. The mechanical force bulldozes the flesh out of the way above the cartilage. Again the energy is not transferred deep into the flesh.
For there to be enough penetration to blow off an ear, it would have to half an inch closer to the skull. The exploding apple pictures that we are all familiar with are from deep penetration to the core. That is when the kinetic energy of the bullet is transferred to the apple, sending violent shock waves through it and exploding it.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Groundhawg
(1,218 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)Blue Cape
(351 posts)can help you with?
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)Like I said, I'm truly amazed at all the ballistic experts here on DU.
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MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)egduj
(881 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)I see what you did there.
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)I don't think it was glass, at least not from a teleprompter - we know the teleprompter screen was not broken as there are pictures of both teleprompters still intact on the internets, those are made of tempered glass which breaks into non-harmful little pieces when it shatters, and seeing as how the shooter was on a rooftop the bullet would have gone DOWNWARD, meaning if it would have broken the prompter screen the chunks would have hit him in the belly.
I definitely know it wasn't a bullet because there's not enough damage to the side of Shitler's head. The shooter was found with an AR-15, which fires either .223 or 5.56mm ammo. (There's a difference; 5.56mm has higher chamber pressure so you don't fire it in a gun labeled for .223; on the other hand, a gun labeled for 5.56mm will safely fire .223 cartridges.) This ammunition would have torn the living shit out of Trump's ear and left a nice furrow in the scalp behind his ear.
Rainman4u2C
(58 posts)These are just a few stock calibers from 1 company.
https://imgur.com/a/ar-calibers-WXPPTfi
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)Rainman4u2C
(58 posts)300 Blackout
350 Legend
450 Bushmaster
458 Socom
50 Beuwulf
9mm
22LR
45ACP
40S&W
At the muzzle ALL have less velocity and energy than a 5.56.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)It grazed him, as all evidence seems to suggest.
Emile
(42,289 posts)Celerity
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Emile
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(42,289 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)sop
(18,619 posts)doc03
(39,086 posts)news conference buy the medical facility that treat the TSF? I haven't heard anything.
Media hasn't even talked about or asked about this either. It's like a complete blackout by everyone concerning anything to do with the doctors who treated Trump
Strange isn't it? Very strange.
Cinjanik
(63 posts)Watch tfg slap at his ear, hard. When he brings his right hand down, he flicks something off of his fingers. Did he injury himself?
wkt_1
(10 posts)Thank you for your detailed observation. After conducting a Sentence Analysis and a thorough Spell Check, it's clear that the injury is genuine, and there is strong belief it was caused by a bullet. The presence of blood and a shard of glass suggests that the shooter may not have been aiming precisely, but rather indiscriminately pulling the trigger. This insight indeed warrants a shift in the direction of the investigation.
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