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Blue Cape

(351 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:39 PM Jul 2024

This is glass, folks.




I have no doubt this is an injury, I have no doubt he believes it was a bullet I have no doubt this is blood. I also have no doubt this is a shard of glass. Which means the shooter wasn't aiming as much as pulling the trigger. That would change the direction of the investigation would it not?


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This is glass, folks. (Original Post) Blue Cape Jul 2024 OP
Looks like a strand of his combover hair to me tinrobot Jul 2024 #1
Or the hook of an earbud. Straw Man Jul 2024 #6
First of all, gross...his ears... forgotmylogin Jul 2024 #91
The trajectory of blood isn't consistent with the "glass". live love laugh Jul 2024 #127
The teleprompter is clearly standing and looks undamaged lame54 Jul 2024 #2
Could the glass have come from elsewhere? Trump's ear looks barely nicked. PeaceWave Jul 2024 #47
If it had hit the teleprompter wouldn't the sound of the collision have been captured in the audio? diva77 Jul 2024 #72
I've posted this elsewhere Nevilledog Jul 2024 #79
Interesting lame54 Jul 2024 #83
Teleprompters work by reflecting words from a screen below them... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #109
Some random dude's tweet is not a reliable source. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #3
Glass from what? former9thward Jul 2024 #4
Has that been firmly established? RussBLib Jul 2024 #5
They look undamaged to me Liberal In Texas Jul 2024 #45
Look at the top right corner of the one on the right. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2024 #46
Is this the one? crickets Jul 2024 #49
Yep. Them's the ones... Thank you. nt Buns_of_Fire Jul 2024 #52
You're welcome. Much clearer photo down below. crickets Jul 2024 #62
I am Delphinus Jul 2024 #63
Yes, but I'm wondering if the bullet hit him at all. crickets Jul 2024 #65
5.56 isn't hugely powerful DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2024 #94
Thank you for the explanation. crickets Jul 2024 #112
No, Woodwizard Jul 2024 #69
I was equally convinced. Now it appears I was mistaken. DFW Jul 2024 #118
No. It's the edge of the glass. It's a light reflection, not a "chip." Liberal In Texas Jul 2024 #96
Because if Crooks was focused on attempting a mass shooting Blue Cape Jul 2024 #11
And he just happened to pick a Trump rally to do it? TwilightZone Jul 2024 #15
The doctors at the hospital know. Why don't they speak up? Peregrine Took Jul 2024 #28
No need to sign an NDA. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #84
You know what would put such questions to rest? BlueYonder Jul 2024 #7
We posted this at same time! Great minds 😀 FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #12
Yes indeed! BlueYonder Jul 2024 #21
I keep checking the Pgh Post Gazette for any info livetohike Jul 2024 #14
Yep BlueYonder Jul 2024 #18
The injury could be so slight that they can't attribute a cause** misanthrope Jul 2024 #30
Ok BlueYonder Jul 2024 #34
That's up to Trump. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #85
Except it is not up to the doctors. tRump would have to release records / authorize discussion. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #77
Has any Doctor given an update?? If not very strange one would think they should FloridaBlues Jul 2024 #8
A tweet isn't evidence, musicblind Jul 2024 #9
As many of us here with health/medical/nursing backgrounds already observed... 3catwoman3 Jul 2024 #10
The blood was a bright red. OK. But after he MOMFUDSKI Jul 2024 #17
It would, but I don't know how long that takes. 3catwoman3 Jul 2024 #35
It doesn't dry in a matter of seconds. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #86
Oops- forgot to include the link. 3catwoman3 Jul 2024 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jul 2024 #114
What does "not so much aiming as pulling the trigger" mean? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #13
What do you think it means? Blue Cape Jul 2024 #16
Yep. It's obvious. Iwasthere Jul 2024 #32
Lol wait, are you saying the shooter took a ricochet shot, to wound, on purpose? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Cape Jul 2024 #39
He fired an AR toward the stage of one of the most famously loved and loathed men in the world... AkFemDem Jul 2024 #56
Could be anything. hamsterjill Jul 2024 #19
It is absolutely NOT gushing. 3catwoman3 Jul 2024 #36
My daughter has a nearly identical wound - Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #88
Enhance! Sympthsical Jul 2024 #20
Where did the glass come from? All the teleprompters wiere intact. brush Jul 2024 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Cape Jul 2024 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Cape Jul 2024 #24
And you believe the outfit that erased all their texts and emails on J6? brush Jul 2024 #25
So...you trust Trump more TommyT139 Jul 2024 #54
Who said anything about trusting trump? I watched it live on... brush Jul 2024 #60
We've seen the same media TommyT139 Jul 2024 #66
Well, it came pretty damn close OR actually hit Trump, for the shooter not to have DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #99
Or it could be a brain worm making an emergency exit. GreenWave Jul 2024 #26
I believe bullet grazed his ear happy feet Jul 2024 #27
Looks like hair stuck to an open wound. egduj Jul 2024 #29
In the vicinity of the arrow's tip I see skin, blood, hair, and cartilage RockRaven Jul 2024 #31
it doesn't change much of anything if the actual damage was caused by a bullet or the glass unblock Jul 2024 #33
Some people seem real invested in it not being a bullet EX500rider Jul 2024 #37
Well, if an expert like "Allan dos Panos" says so... AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2024 #40
There's a friggin' photo of the bullet whizzing last his head sir pball Jul 2024 #41
Please notice that the trajectory does not line up with the top of his ear. niyad Jul 2024 #55
More than one bullet was fired. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #75
The implication of posting that image is just that. niyad Jul 2024 #95
Possibly, but I was addressing your observation that the trajectory didn't line up - Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #97
I am guessing he wasn't hit with whatever that was, but I have no idea what actually niyad Jul 2024 #98
I suppose it is possible he was hit with something else - Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #100
My grand son-in-law, a high ranking officer, said agingdem Jul 2024 #42
That is not true at all Zeitghost Jul 2024 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Cape Jul 2024 #58
I didn't see burn marks... agingdem Jul 2024 #74
No it wouldn't DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2024 #116
Just stop w/ the CT. The teleprompters were not shattered, and the pic shows exposed cartilage, not glass Celerity Jul 2024 #44
Thank you for a clear photo, Celerity. crickets Jul 2024 #67
tug and touch that part of your own ear, it is not bone nor is it glass, lolol Celerity Jul 2024 #68
Oh, I know what cartilage is. You're just rubbing it in now. 😆 crickets Jul 2024 #71
not posting that so much for you, but for others, I know you know what cartilage is, lolol Celerity Jul 2024 #73
Thanks for trying to bring facts here. Brenda Jul 2024 #117
There have been been CT currents in certain 'leftish' quarters for ages. Malcolm Nance calls it Blue-Anon, lolol. Celerity Jul 2024 #119
There is little in the way of factual reporting from the media. rzemanfl Jul 2024 #130
Would any Dem leaders/insiders have the scoop on this info? BigmanPigman Jul 2024 #48
Not sure about that. duncang Jul 2024 #50
As far as I can tell there were multiple telepromters. LisaL Jul 2024 #51
Both in front of him, on the other side of his head from the ear that got hit. Think. Again. Jul 2024 #110
Never thought I'd see the day when I have to look at Trump's ear up close Blaukraut Jul 2024 #53
My first thought, as well. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #78
Be grateful True Dough Jul 2024 #89
Doesn't look claudette Jul 2024 #57
Some dude on twitter saying it, doesn't make it so AkFemDem Jul 2024 #59
Who TF cares. There was a mass shooting at a Trump rally. Freethinker65 Jul 2024 #61
I'm leaning toward glass or some other kind of shrapnel, but we'll probably never know. Wingus Dingus Jul 2024 #64
He was addressing the crowd with a speaker in his ear? LearnedHand Jul 2024 #70
It's cartilage. Nothing there for glass to embed in to make a white nick like that. Teleprompters undamaged. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #76
Well then, ForgedCrank Jul 2024 #80
What's with the glass theories? manicdem Jul 2024 #81
Yup, glass from the teleprompter Bilbo Baggins Jul 2024 #82
Apply the mathematical technique of finite differences Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #87
This woman got a bullet to the skull and her head did not explode like you expect Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #90
How is that any better? Groundhawg Jul 2024 #92
I am truly amazed at all the ballistic experts here on DU. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2024 #101
Do you have any questions I Blue Cape Jul 2024 #102
If I did, I would've asked. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2024 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Cape Jul 2024 #104
Will do. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2024 #106
They're not a ballistic expert, more a glass expert. egduj Jul 2024 #105
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2024 #107
Thanks for the close-up jmowreader Jul 2024 #108
The AR-15 Comes in MANY Calibers Rainman4u2C Jul 2024 #111
And except for one caliber, they're all at least as powerful as 5.56 jmowreader Jul 2024 #113
If you say so Rainman4u2C Jul 2024 #125
Not if Zeitghost Jul 2024 #115
Sure looks like glass. Emile Jul 2024 #120
no it does not, it is exposed ear cartilage, and the teleprompters were intact Celerity Jul 2024 #121
I not in any mood to argue, but it looks like glass. Emile Jul 2024 #122
No. It does not. Celerity Jul 2024 #123
Does to me! Emile Jul 2024 #124
that does not make it so................ Celerity Jul 2024 #126
Of course it does. Emile Jul 2024 #129
Looks like the remains of a Halloween blood capsule to me. Autumn Jul 2024 #133
JFK's assassination had the "magic bullet," Trump's the "magic piece of glass." sop Jul 2024 #128
I have been paying little attention the MSM coverage myself. Has there been any doc03 Jul 2024 #131
Nope BlueYonder Jul 2024 #134
Right hand Cinjanik Jul 2024 #132
This is glass, folks wkt_1 Jul 2024 #135

forgotmylogin

(7,952 posts)
91. First of all, gross...his ears...
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:18 PM
Jul 2024

Second of all, that's quite the slim profile ear monitor he has in there.

Not specifically a problem in general - it's handy for speakers to be able to get cues from event management, but this supports that it may not be obvious he always has someone helping him. Like in the debate when he seemed to come up with weird facts two questions later. Someone was internet researching for him on the fly.

live love laugh

(16,383 posts)
127. The trajectory of blood isn't consistent with the "glass".
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 07:35 AM
Jul 2024

Where’s the blood coming from in the foreear/top of the ear area?

diva77

(7,880 posts)
72. If it had hit the teleprompter wouldn't the sound of the collision have been captured in the audio?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:53 PM
Jul 2024
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
109. Teleprompters work by reflecting words from a screen below them...
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 11:19 PM
Jul 2024

..the red we're seeing in that teleprompter is the red carpet, the image in the upper corner is not damage, it is the reflection of something or someone on or near the carpet.

You'll notice another reflection of something other than the carpet in the diagonally opposite corner of the teleprompter.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
3. Some random dude's tweet is not a reliable source.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:42 PM
Jul 2024

Without independent confirmation, this is just conjecture, at best, and an intentional fake, at worst.

My money is on the latter. We really should stop posting this crap, until it is confirmed by other sources.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
4. Glass from what?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:43 PM
Jul 2024

The teleprompter was not broken. And why would the "direction of the investigation" change?

Liberal In Texas

(16,270 posts)
45. They look undamaged to me
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jul 2024

and there are only two of them. A typical setup is one on the left and one on the right.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
46. Look at the top right corner of the one on the right.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:30 PM
Jul 2024

(I've seen another picture with it circled.) It looks like a chip has been taken out.

crickets

(26,168 posts)
49. Is this the one?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:04 PM
Jul 2024



Also:



From the camera facing side with light reflecting off the surface, the glass looks fine. From the back with light shining through, a layer of glass appears to be chipped away.

crickets

(26,168 posts)
62. You're welcome. Much clearer photo down below.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:09 PM
Jul 2024

From Celerity's post here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19155542

With a crisp photo, the teleprompters appear completely undamaged. What looked like a chip is just an interesting reflection. I really was convinced there was glass involved because of how unlikely seems to graze the ear with ammo from an AR 15 and not cause more damage. He is one lucky SOB.



Delphinus

(12,522 posts)
63. I am
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:11 PM
Jul 2024

very curious how an AR15 could just graze an ear - don't they really eat things up?

crickets

(26,168 posts)
65. Yes, but I'm wondering if the bullet hit him at all.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:19 PM
Jul 2024

I am not a gun person, so those who are please feel free to weigh in.

I'm wondering if the bullet was just shy, but still close enough for the pressure wave around the bullet to cause the damage to tfg's ear. It probably felt like contact and hurt, but if it had actually gotten close enough to physically graze the ear, it seems like he actually would have lost part of his ear and perhaps had some injury to his head as well. Again, I could be full of crap, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.

At some point, it would be nice if we got more information in a formal report to clarify exactly what happened. I'm not holding my breath.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,504 posts)
94. 5.56 isn't hugely powerful
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:48 PM
Jul 2024

They are relatively weak in comparison to most rifle calibers. The bullet grazed his ear. That's it. There would be no other damage as the ear is nothing but skin and cartiliage. The pressure wave from a bullet only matters when it enters a body. Outside of the body it does nothing. Also, if i remember correctly, cartilage is typically white or pale yellow in color as it does not contain blood vessels.

Source: I got a grazing wound to my upper thigh in Iraq. The bullet went through my pocket and grazed my thigh. Bullet was from an AK which fires a larger bullet then the AR. Had no other damage to my thigh.

crickets

(26,168 posts)
112. Thank you for the explanation.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:58 AM
Jul 2024

Your post and one from Bernardo de La Paz have helped me understand the amount of contact needed for the bullet to do more damage. tfg himself has no idea how astronomically lucky he was.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19157292

I think I just watched too many Mythbusters episodes back in the day. 😆

Yikes, I am so glad your thigh wound was not more serious.

Woodwizard

(1,322 posts)
69. No,
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:46 PM
Jul 2024

Soft tissues with little mass it will go through. The round itself hitting bone and deflecting is what does damage to a body.

DFW

(60,186 posts)
118. I was equally convinced. Now it appears I was mistaken.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:38 AM
Jul 2024

And that is very unfortunate. Now he’ll demand the Purple Heart be awarded to him on national TV.

Liberal In Texas

(16,270 posts)
96. No. It's the edge of the glass. It's a light reflection, not a "chip."
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:01 PM
Jul 2024

If a bullet hit a piece of that glass - anywhere along the edge - you'd see a lot of damage if not a completely disintegrated. This isn't like automotive glass or window glass. It's called an Optical Grade Beamsplitter Mirror. It's not made to be bulletproof. And I don't know for sure, something striking any part at a high velocity would take a lot more out of it than a small chip.

More information will no doubt be released in the next day or so and this whole glass shard theory will be put to rest.



Blue Cape

(351 posts)
11. Because if Crooks was focused on attempting a mass shooting
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:47 PM
Jul 2024

that is entirely different from an assassination attempt.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
15. And he just happened to pick a Trump rally to do it?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:49 PM
Jul 2024

These assertions just keep getting sillier. The concept that Trump was just collateral damage is laughable.

Peregrine Took

(7,583 posts)
28. The doctors at the hospital know. Why don't they speak up?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:20 PM
Jul 2024

He probably had them all sign a non disclosure statement so we';; never know they truth.

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
84. No need to sign an NDA.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:51 PM
Jul 2024

HIPAA protects Trump's medical information just as much as it protects yours.

BlueYonder

(28 posts)
7. You know what would put such questions to rest?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:45 PM
Jul 2024

Hearing from the doctors that treated Trump afterwards. Why in the world have we not heard from them?

And why is no one, in the media that I've seen so far, asking about the doctors?

livetohike

(24,282 posts)
14. I keep checking the Pgh Post Gazette for any info
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:48 PM
Jul 2024

on the Drs and there has been none. One would think a Dr (who treated him) would report on a past President’s injury.

BlueYonder

(28 posts)
18. Yep
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:58 PM
Jul 2024

And also the national media. Where are they at on this? Again, I've not heard any major news outlet even mention the doctors that treated Trump. It's like it is a complete blackout about the doctors as far as the media is concerned.

It's really strange.

BlueYonder

(28 posts)
34. Ok
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:27 PM
Jul 2024

then let's hear the doctors say that.

Instead of a complete blackout it appears in the media about what happened at the hospital and what the doctors saw/did.

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
85. That's up to Trump.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:53 PM
Jul 2024

He is under no obligation to authorize release of his medical information, and without his consent HIPAA prevents disclosure by the doctors.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
77. Except it is not up to the doctors. tRump would have to release records / authorize discussion. . . . nt
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:36 PM
Jul 2024

FloridaBlues

(4,668 posts)
8. Has any Doctor given an update?? If not very strange one would think they should
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:46 PM
Jul 2024

If he had stitches, glass, metal, any other injuries?
In this case it would be important for that information. The press would be screaming for medical update for Pres Biden.

musicblind

(4,563 posts)
9. A tweet isn't evidence,
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:46 PM
Jul 2024

but why would it even matter? It doesn't make it any better or worse?

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
10. As many of us here with health/medical/nursing backgrounds already observed...
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:46 PM
Jul 2024

...yesterday, this is a negligible amount of blood from an area of the body that typically bleeds profusely fro even a tiny nick, so this is not a major injury, however it was caused.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
17. The blood was a bright red. OK. But after he
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:55 PM
Jul 2024

got back up the smear of blood on his face was still as bright. Wouldn’t real blood start going brownish as it dries?

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
35. It would, but I don't know how long that takes.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:27 PM
Jul 2024

I found this scientific article when I Googled the topic. If you are interested, scroll down to page 10 and you'll find a picture of the color changes drying blood goes thru. The caption didn't say over what period of time these pictures were taken.

Probably need a forensic pathologist for a better answer than I can supply.

Response to MOMFUDSKI (Reply #17)

Blue Cape

(351 posts)
16. What do you think it means?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:53 PM
Jul 2024

It means that it can't be ruled out that he just wanted to inflict damage, not necessarily specific damage. It makes a world of difference if Trump was hit by a ricochet versus directly aimed at. Both for the investigation and dialing down the nutter rhetoric.

This dude was one of their own. This is their dog that came off the leash, rabid.

Iwasthere

(3,512 posts)
32. Yep. It's obvious.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:25 PM
Jul 2024

Why would they totally ignore people screaming and pointing to the shooter for 4 minutes? Explain THAT.

Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #38)

 

AkFemDem

(2,508 posts)
56. He fired an AR toward the stage of one of the most famously loved and loathed men in the world...
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:57 PM
Jul 2024

Are you seriously suggesting that's just a coincidence?? That he just meant to hit random folks and Trump happened to be there in front of his muzzle? This place is getting weirder by the hour.

hamsterjill

(17,577 posts)
19. Could be anything.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:58 PM
Jul 2024

He could have landed on something when he hit the deck. He could have been stepped on as the SS agents covered him.

But to me, it doesn't look like its gushing blood. Yes, there is blood. But still not what I would consider a whole lot of blood loss.

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
88. My daughter has a nearly identical wound -
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:06 PM
Jul 2024

Not from a bullet, but a tear clean through the cartilage in her ear. There was a fair amount of blood, but it wasn't gushing. Probably similar to what I see in the photo of Trump.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
22. Where did the glass come from? All the teleprompters wiere intact.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:05 PM
Jul 2024

A bullet grazed his ear and continued on into the audience and killed an audience member. Was it glass too that killed him? Another bulltet also wounded a woman in the audience.

Stop the misinformation.

Response to brush (Reply #22)

Response to Blue Cape (Reply #23)

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
25. And you believe the outfit that erased all their texts and emails on J6?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:16 PM
Jul 2024

And how does it being a glass fragment, from intact teleprompters btw, make them any less incompetent? They still allowed a shooter witha long gun get a clear shot at their protectee.

You can go on trusting them. I don't.

TommyT139

(2,357 posts)
54. So...you trust Trump more
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:48 PM
Jul 2024

...than a named reporter whose post got retweeted (thank God) before she removed it, almost certainly for self-protection (and protection of her source).

Joe Biden promised to release all results of his team's investigation. So we'll have to wait.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
60. Who said anything about trusting trump? I watched it live on...
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:06 PM
Jul 2024

MSNBC and saw what happened. He turned his head to the right to address a chart on stage and a bullet grazed his right ear. Not a glass fragment from a teleprompter, which btw, were all IN Front of the podium and intact afterwards. The bullter that grazed his ear continued on and killed an audience membger.

Nothing to do with truisting the orange turd, it's just what happened.

If trump hadn't turned his head to the right ge migh've been killed. A better shot might've killed him too.

Check the video out, it's not hard to find. The shot seems to have come from the his left and rear.

Thanks to the Secret Service's "great job", a 20-year-old shooter got a clear shot at their protectee's head.

And Pres. Biden has to depend on the same competency, or incompetency, for protection.

I'm worried.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
99. Well, it came pretty damn close OR actually hit Trump, for the shooter not to have
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:17 PM
Jul 2024

been aiming at him. If he wanted to inflict random damage and not kill Trump
why was he obviously aiming towards Trump?

happy feet

(1,279 posts)
27. I believe bullet grazed his ear
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:19 PM
Jul 2024

his head was turned all the way to the right so his right ear was turned exactly opposite the teleprompter.

RockRaven

(19,373 posts)
31. In the vicinity of the arrow's tip I see skin, blood, hair, and cartilage
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:24 PM
Jul 2024

but if someone wants to more specifically explain what is supposedly glass then go ahead.

unblock

(56,198 posts)
33. it doesn't change much of anything if the actual damage was caused by a bullet or the glass
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:26 PM
Jul 2024

he shot close enough in the direction of donnie either for the bullet to strike his ear or for a shard of glass presumably moving in largely the same direction to strike his ear.

i don't see how this matters in terms of anything of significance. either way, he very likely was trying to kill him.
either way, i suppose one may argue he was trying for a near miss.

unless somehow the bullet was *way* off from donnie and the shard of glass went in a rather different direction and it was clearly a fluke that it happened to hit his ear, it doesn't really matter whether the damaged was caused directly or indirectly from the bullet.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
37. Some people seem real invested in it not being a bullet
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:31 PM
Jul 2024

Not sure why it matters, someone shot at him, he was wounded one way or another and another person is dead.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
40. Well, if an expert like "Allan dos Panos" says so...
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:52 PM
Jul 2024

I always look to foreign A/V producers for my medical expertise.

sir pball

(5,340 posts)
41. There's a friggin' photo of the bullet whizzing last his head
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:59 PM
Jul 2024


Let it go, let it goooooooo…

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
97. Possibly, but I was addressing your observation that the trajectory didn't line up -
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:04 PM
Jul 2024

Which seemed to suggest you believed he was not hit with a bullet because he wasn't hit with that specific bullet.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
98. I am guessing he wasn't hit with whatever that was, but I have no idea what actually
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:14 PM
Jul 2024

caused the injury to his ear. And, given how his "doctors" lie, not sure I would even believe a doctor's report, should there ever be one made public. Shruggggg, call me cynical and suspicious, but nine years of his BS, and msm lying and hysteria, tends to do that.

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
100. I suppose it is possible he was hit with something else -
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:29 PM
Jul 2024

But that would be one heck of a coincidence, that at the precise time bullets were flying around, something else hit his ear (given that the teleprompters were intact after the shots).

The series of 3 photos makes it pretty clear that he reacted to something hitting his ear that was small enough that it wasn't visible in the photos/video, reached up and felt his ear, came away with a bloody hand. That also matches the video of the incident I've seen from other much the same angle.

agingdem

(8,849 posts)
42. My grand son-in-law, a high ranking officer, said
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:02 PM
Jul 2024

Last edited Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:44 PM - Edit history (1)

a bullet from an assault rifle would have exploded Trump’s ear and taken a chunk of his scalp…is that true?

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
43. That is not true at all
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:14 PM
Jul 2024

It nicked him. The injury is consistent with that. 1/4" over and it would have been much much worse.

Response to agingdem (Reply #42)

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,504 posts)
116. No it wouldn't
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:27 AM
Jul 2024

The bullet wouldn't have had enough time to transfer any heat energy that it had. The ear is thin and has little mass. A bullet grazing it would have encountered little resistance so little kinetic or thermal energy would have transferred. It just plows through the bit of skin and cartiliage and continues on its way. A good comparison would be paper targets. Punches holes clean through without destroying the paper or burning it. Also, I've had a grazing wound. No burns, no damage beyond the graze and it was from a larger bullet than what was shot at trump.

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
44. Just stop w/ the CT. The teleprompters were not shattered, and the pic shows exposed cartilage, not glass
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:17 PM
Jul 2024






crickets

(26,168 posts)
67. Thank you for a clear photo, Celerity.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:29 PM
Jul 2024

Because of the poor quality of every image I'd seen before, I truly thought there was a chip out of the back of one teleprompter. With this level of clarity, it's finally obvious to me that it is a reflection after all.

Honestly though, trying to suss out what really happened isn't necessarily buying into conspiracies so much as going through the process of finding literal clarity on the situation. Now, when people start spinning out wacky "it was staged!" theories, I am right there with you. Yowsa. 🙄

Also, I wish it were glass. Cartilage? Ew.

crickets

(26,168 posts)
71. Oh, I know what cartilage is. You're just rubbing it in now. 😆
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:52 PM
Jul 2024

Knowing is one thing. Seeing it is... *hork*

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
73. not posting that so much for you, but for others, I know you know what cartilage is, lolol
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:00 PM
Jul 2024

Brenda

(2,054 posts)
117. Thanks for trying to bring facts here.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 06:32 AM
Jul 2024

This place sure looks like Info Wars sometimes.

How come any mention of Building 7 WTC will get scrubbed at DU but Trump "Van Gogh" moment being a false flag is not?

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
119. There have been been CT currents in certain 'leftish' quarters for ages. Malcolm Nance calls it Blue-Anon, lolol.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 07:00 AM
Jul 2024

The grifter CT loon Louise Mensch had a big fanclub here on DU from all that I have seen (some of it via DU search), for example.

Pro-tip to all:

Do some backgrounding.




https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/louise-mensch-my-mind-is-messed-up-after-taking-hard-drugs-7920094.html




rzemanfl

(31,375 posts)
130. There is little in the way of factual reporting from the media.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:11 AM
Jul 2024

It may be that they are not getting facts from the folks that have them. The "glass from the monitor" thing is one of many theories that grew out of the lack of information. Drumpf's lying about the extent of the wound is another factor. I am still puzzled about this whole thing.

BigmanPigman

(55,137 posts)
48. Would any Dem leaders/insiders have the scoop on this info?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:43 PM
Jul 2024

Are Schumer, Newsom or Hillary getting accurate info but are not sharing it right now? I would think they have some connections to get to the bottom of this.

duncang

(3,767 posts)
50. Not sure about that.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:43 PM
Jul 2024

The main thing I have a problem with is he was facing towards his right. The teleprompter was behind and left of him. Seems if it was glass from the teleprompter it would have hit his left side or back of his head.

Blaukraut

(5,998 posts)
53. Never thought I'd see the day when I have to look at Trump's ear up close
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:48 PM
Jul 2024

That being said: Never mind the glass or not glass. Does it look like he's wearing a hearing aid of some sort? That might explain why he bellows all the time. When my mom was losing her hearing, she started speaking louder and louder.

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
78. My first thought, as well.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:37 PM
Jul 2024

During his presidency, it was explained as a translation device. But there was no need for him to be translating anything at the rally.

True Dough

(26,667 posts)
89. Be grateful
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:10 PM
Jul 2024

the shooter didn't graze Trump's scrotum! That would be true marksmanship, however!

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
57. Doesn't look
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:00 PM
Jul 2024

Like glass to me. These wild conspiracies are running rampant and serve no useful purpose.

 

AkFemDem

(2,508 posts)
59. Some dude on twitter saying it, doesn't make it so
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:03 PM
Jul 2024

And maybe just importantly- so what if it was? If Crooks were actually a BAD shot and missed his primary target and hit a teleprompter instead- turning a shard of glass into a projectile that injured Trump, is that somehow less.... attempted assassiny? For his part- I haven't seen any indication Trump's been exaggerating the injury and suggesting its grave or incapacitating. If someone shot at you- and either tipped your ear with a bullet OR hit the glass in front of you and it tipped your ear, would you feel less targeted by a crazed gunman?

It really irks me that people on this site are making me defend the man- but this weird fixation on trying to prove Trumps injury isn't serious or the consequence of a gunman is WEIRD and irrational.

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
61. Who TF cares. There was a mass shooting at a Trump rally.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:07 PM
Jul 2024

If Trump had walked away unscathed, it was still an attempt to kill him and/or his supporters. That is an assassination attempt. The shooter was a 20 yo, not an expert marksman. There was no planning for optics to make Trump look good. This NEVER should have happened. Trump has security. An investigation is warranted.

Right after it happened, and Trump was down, Trump was concerned about people finding out about his shoe lifts, he most likely didn't even know then he was bleeding. He was just normal vain Trump. My 92 yo mom took a fall and there was lots of blood from where she grazed her head. She was cracking jokes, saying she was sorry she fell. Tried to immediately get up (impossible for months to do actually). She had no idea she was even bleeding. It didn't begin to hurt until several hours later and she had horrible bruising for over two weeks covering half way down her face.

LearnedHand

(5,499 posts)
70. He was addressing the crowd with a speaker in his ear?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 07:52 PM
Jul 2024

Snort. Guess his handlers are feeding his lines so he won't sound as crazy.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
76. It's cartilage. Nothing there for glass to embed in to make a white nick like that. Teleprompters undamaged.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:35 PM
Jul 2024

The longer streak in the photo is his dyed blond hair.

manicdem

(536 posts)
81. What's with the glass theories?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:38 PM
Jul 2024

Does it make it any better if he was getting shot at and it was shattered glass rather than a bullet? Not seeing it.

 

Bilbo Baggins

(26 posts)
82. Yup, glass from the teleprompter
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:46 PM
Jul 2024

I thought that when I first saw it.
Teleprompter? Probly…
Then, when his ear was still there on his skull, in the picture, it was clear.
An AR-15 bullet would not have left an ear standing at that spot and he would not be standing with a fist in the air screaming “fight”

Are we being fed another pile of orange swill?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
87. Apply the mathematical technique of finite differences
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 09:03 PM
Jul 2024

Imagine the bullet flying by one nanometre from his ear. His ear hairs feel air turbulence.

Now imagine it one millimetre closer. It will just skim the surface of the skin. It doesn't matter how much kinetic energy it is carrying, that energy will not get transferred en masse to the flesh. But it will abrade the skin one millimetre deep.

Now, a couple of millimetres lower. The earlobe is only a few millimetres deep before you reach the white cartilage. The mechanical force bulldozes the flesh out of the way above the cartilage. Again the energy is not transferred deep into the flesh.

For there to be enough penetration to blow off an ear, it would have to half an inch closer to the skull. The exploding apple pictures that we are all familiar with are from deep penetration to the core. That is when the kinetic energy of the bullet is transferred to the apple, sending violent shock waves through it and exploding it.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
103. If I did, I would've asked.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:54 PM
Jul 2024

Like I said, I'm truly amazed at all the ballistic experts here on DU.

Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #103)

jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
108. Thanks for the close-up
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 11:06 PM
Jul 2024

I don't think it was glass, at least not from a teleprompter - we know the teleprompter screen was not broken as there are pictures of both teleprompters still intact on the internets, those are made of tempered glass which breaks into non-harmful little pieces when it shatters, and seeing as how the shooter was on a rooftop the bullet would have gone DOWNWARD, meaning if it would have broken the prompter screen the chunks would have hit him in the belly.

I definitely know it wasn't a bullet because there's not enough damage to the side of Shitler's head. The shooter was found with an AR-15, which fires either .223 or 5.56mm ammo. (There's a difference; 5.56mm has higher chamber pressure so you don't fire it in a gun labeled for .223; on the other hand, a gun labeled for 5.56mm will safely fire .223 cartridges.) This ammunition would have torn the living shit out of Trump's ear and left a nice furrow in the scalp behind his ear.

 

Rainman4u2C

(58 posts)
125. If you say so
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 07:26 AM
Jul 2024

300 Blackout
350 Legend
450 Bushmaster
458 Socom
50 Beuwulf
9mm
22LR
45ACP
40S&W

At the muzzle ALL have less velocity and energy than a 5.56.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
131. I have been paying little attention the MSM coverage myself. Has there been any
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:14 AM
Jul 2024

news conference buy the medical facility that treat the TSF? I haven't heard anything.

BlueYonder

(28 posts)
134. Nope
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 04:10 AM
Jul 2024

Media hasn't even talked about or asked about this either. It's like a complete blackout by everyone concerning anything to do with the doctors who treated Trump

Strange isn't it? Very strange.

Cinjanik

(63 posts)
132. Right hand
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 08:25 AM
Jul 2024

Watch tfg slap at his ear, hard. When he brings his right hand down, he flicks something off of his fingers. Did he injury himself?

wkt_1

(10 posts)
135. This is glass, folks
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 04:30 AM
Jul 2024

Thank you for your detailed observation. After conducting a Sentence Analysis and a thorough Spell Check, it's clear that the injury is genuine, and there is strong belief it was caused by a bullet. The presence of blood and a shard of glass suggests that the shooter may not have been aiming precisely, but rather indiscriminately pulling the trigger. This insight indeed warrants a shift in the direction of the investigation.

Given the evidence, we should reevaluate the circumstances surrounding the incident. Additionally, the overall statement, upon Text Editing, maintains coherence and clarity. The Paragraph Count remains appropriate for the conveyed informatio

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