Why all the agida over whether it was glass, or a bullet graze?

[LuckyCharms]

He was shot at.

More importantly, people in the crowd died/were injured.

If it was a bullet graze, he's lucky to be alive.

If it was shattered glass from the teleprompter a few feet away, he's still lucky to be alive.

I'm not understanding why the argument.

[unblock]

1. indeed, a distinction without a difference.

[hlthe2b]

2. Yes... A distraction once we confirmed that gunshots were fired in his direction...

[rzemanfl]

10. I don't think the shooter had a plan to kill the ex-fireman. Do you?

Whether the shot was aimed at TSF or the general area makes a big difference IMHO.

[hlthe2b]

14. No, of course not.

If you have seen that phenomenal set of photos posted several times, the sequence captures the actual bullet whizzing by Trump's left ear but catching the top of his right when he turned his head slightly while gesturing toward that chart he had up.

He was not a skilled marksman so the sad "collateral damage" is likely just that or an attempt to increase his "notoriety" for this act.

[rzemanfl]

17. I have never seen a picture of a bullet in flight.

I will have to look for those later. I can't visualize a bullet missing one ear but grazing the opposite one.

[hlthe2b]

18. You cannot imagine head movent at the moment? Really?

The series of photos have been posted here multiple times. They are from a professional photographer and the one was incredibly well timed to have captured that.

[rzemanfl]

21. Considering the speed of a .223 round vs. the speed of a 77-year-old man's neck,

I find it hard to imagine. I am done with my evening meal, etc. and will find those pictures if this storm does not kill my Internet access.

[hlthe2b]

23. You are confusing conscious (deflective) movement with that already in process. Ridiculous.

Maybe learn some forensics (including angles between head and ear positions) before making such bold definitive statements about bullet trajectories. Decades of seeing GSW patients in the ER and working with both investigating detectives and the medical examiner have taught me a thing or two. And so, I do not make such bold assumptions but rather respect their expertise and in-depth (computerized) analyses.

[rzemanfl]

22. 300 yards from the muzzle a .223 bullet is still traveling over 2,000 feet per second or around

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1,300 miles per hour. The photos I have been able find so far show a white line against the blue sky. It could be a bullet; it could be the bullet's condensation trail (they leave them sometimes), or it could be something else.

On edit, the 5.56 NATO cartridge has higher chamber pressure than the similar .223. Muzzle velocity is not much different.

[pwb]

3. Bullet proof glass is hard to see. If it was hit

it would shatter. That is my guess, the teleprompters are not protection.

[rzemanfl]

4. If it was glass, the 20-year-old was shooting into the crowd.

If it was a bullet, it was an assassination attempt.

Shooting into crowds is common among nutjobs with AR-15s. The shooter may have even believed he was helping TSF.

At least that's my take.

[LuckyCharms]

7. I contend that both scenarios indicate an assassination attempt.

He was shooting in the extreme close vicinity of Trump.

He was either a poor shot, or his aim was stressed due to the encounter with the local cop who climbed up the ladder and then had the gun pointed at him, after which the shooter fired at Trump.

[rzemanfl]

13. I think missing by an inch is stronger evidence of an assassination attempt than missing by a couple of feet.

We will never know.

[ecstatic]

9. I don't think we'll ever know because the cops were on to him

in the moments right before shooting. There was no time to perfect his aim at that point. For all we know, he could have been in the beginning stages of schizophrenia and thought he was protecting trump somehow.

[petronius]

5. Yeah, I don't get it at all. Maybe just an attempt to minimize the event, like it doesn't

count if the injury was 'just' glass.

[Srkdqltr]

6. There are people who obsess about everything, absolutly everything.

[Kali]

8. for his martyrdom

a bullet is more "impressive" as would a more substantial hit, say in the shoulder. getting nicked in the ear by a piece of glass is not as "cool" for the clown who is ALL about self-promotion.

and to be honest when I first heard the glass rumor I kind of chuckled for the exact same reason.

to be fair (an I really hate to be when it comes to him) any injury or just being in the presence of bullets flying is pretty terrifying in reality. but the optics of a glass cut on tip of ear vs bullet ripping through flesh is clear. which sounds more heroic?

[Maeve]

11. Good explanation

And I hate being fair to tsf, too

[Freddie]

12. I don't think he'd have been released from the hospital so quickly

If he had a bullet wound.

[chowder66]

16. It didn't do much damage. You examine, clean and stitch it up if stitches are needed.

It grazed his ear. Maybe took out a bit of it but there isn't much else to be done.

[brush]

15. Right. Either way, just shows how imcompetent the Secret Service is.

[doc03]

19. Simple Trump can claim he survived a gunshot wound, he will give himself a

Purple Heart and a Silver Star. Maybe even the CMH.

[SocialDemocrat61]

20. I don't care how his ear was injured

The point is it was injured in an assassination attempt. Violence is completely unacceptable regardless of who it’s directed at.