"we need to get out of our silos, where we only listen to those with whom we agree....."

[brooklynite]

Will people here take that to heart?

How many posts have there been of people saying they won't listen to CNN, or won't listen to MSNBC In the daytime, or won't listen to some evening hosts, because they said something, or had a guest who said something that they disagreed with?

[ms liberty]

1. I READ those with whom I disagree. It's much more palatable than listening to them lie.

Hearing them lie, obfuscate, twist the facts and the truth is infuriating. I live in a rural, red county so I hear more than I want to IRL. i can read their garbage without having my blood pressure go through the roof.

[Rorey]

13. I wish there were consequences for lying

Was it always the way it now is where there are no consequences for lying, and it's simply accepted?

[kelly1mm]

2. The best example of this here on DU is the schizophrenia regarding Jon Stewart. One week he is near God-like,

the next he is a pariah .....

[Demsrule86]

10. Nope. I dislike John Stewart all the time...Colbert too...may Trump and the could go on the road together or something.

[kelly1mm]

21. Perhaps for you that is true but have you not seen the 'OMG turn on Jon NOW!' posts one week

and the 'OMG Jon is DEAD TO ME!' posts the next?

[Demsrule86]

91. He is using his show to help Trump.. So I don't care.

[Crunchy Frog]

86. The two of them got me through the Bush years.

I just wish we had younger versions of them now, because I feel like they've both aged out of the roles that they had back then.

Still love them though, even when I think they're very wrong about some things.

[BootinUp]

88. Entertainers / comedians can play an important role in shaping public ideas

but you can't subscribe to them for their political philosophies because we really don't know what those are. We know they tend to bring up certain issues we are also focused on and can have a unique hard hitting way of shining a light on corruption or whatever.

Even with politicans I often see people suggesting that we know how a politician feels on an issue when it seems clear to me that in some cases at least the politician is only following constituent popular opinion. We shouldn't conflate the two if we are trying to understand politics.

I will leave out the fringier elements for now (Dennis Kucinich etc) who have a different tactic altogether.

[shrike3]

22. I jettisoned Jon Stewart when he decided that since bats in Carlsbad Caverns weren't carrying Covid

Bats in China couldn't have either. If he wants to go down rabbit holes, be my guest. But he'll do it without me watching.

[SocialDemocrat61]

55. Jon Stewart is a rich TV personality

People should be free to agree or disagree with him. Too many are of the attitude that no one in the corporate media can ever be criticized. I am not a sycophant. If someone like Jon Stewart or Jake Tapper or Rachel Maddow says something I think is unfair or untrue, I will criticize them for it, even if I agree with other things they say.

[MaryMagdaline]

3. I haven't listened to TV "news" since 2000

If I watch a program, it will be something to educate myself, such as electric cars vs gasoline engines … which is worse for the environment? Or how economists think we can extend social security or how to grow the economy without blowing up inflation.
I don’t need to listen to people whose values are the complete opposite of mine and who actually want a different outcome.
I want some semblance of income equality. They don’t. I want healthcare for all. They don’t. I want free food for all hungry people. They don’t. They want low taxes. I don’t (unless by some magic, everyone is healthy and prospering with and we have an excess).
If we’re not even going in the same direction, why do I listen to them? And once they start lying about facts, they are useless to me.

[Joinfortmill]

4. For me, it's plain fatigue. Just vote for Joe.

[Kaleva]

8. Yep. Keeping it simple. Vote Blue no matter who

[Demsrule86]

5. I have not listened to any of them...because I am fucked if I will hear them trash Biden and other Democrats but never

Trump. MSNBC had terrible ratings of late and there is a reason...I used to watch multiple shows...now I don't CNN is in the toilet...I can get that kind of coverage on Fox...no thanks. And the reason is ultimately...they are lying to the American people by not telling the truth about Trump...but acting like Democrats' behavior and Republican behavior are equivalent...it is not.

[TwilightZone]

11. "MSNBC had terrible ratings of late" - so has everyone else.

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/week-of-july-1-2024-cable-news-ratings/

[shrike3]

23. Good. Maybe fatigue is setting in.

[Generic Brad]

60. Cable news is to news what MTV is to music

It’s not news.

[Demsrule86]

92. They deserve bad ratings...and I won't watch them as long as they see fit to help Trump...I am done with the media.

[TwilightZone]

6. I occasionally peruse the comments section of places like National Review.

Call it opposition research. It's rather eye-opening and provides some insight into how they think and act. The self-delusion they exhibit can be pretty amazing. Read the comments on any article about Trump's trials and be prepared to wonder at the human mind's ability to detach itself from reality.

it also reinforces my belief that we're never going to change the minds of some and that we just have to find a way to outvote them in November.

[Rorey]

7. Also listen to our fellow Americans

I don't yell. I don't argue. I do discuss. I respectfully listen to what someone's priorities are that cause them to support people I don't support. I sincerely want to understand why they have the views they have. Shutting someone down gets us nowhere. I've found that if we can get to a point where we're actually having a conversation, they sometimes will also listen to why I have the views I have. Nobody wants to listen to someone who makes them think that we think they're stupid.

[SalviaBlue]

9. Who are you quoting?

[TwilightZone]

14. President Biden

https://apnews.com/article/biden-trump-shooting-election-2024-704592d02c3421a767112f0bf6d25eb9

[shrike3]

79. Ironic. The very person some say shouldn't run. Yet we're admonished to listen to him.

[totodeinhere]

12. I want to know what they are saying.

Then I construct arguments against them.

[choie]

15. What part of wanting to take rights away from people including the right of what a woman can do with her body

etc. are we supposed to listen to? What part of destroying the norms of our democracy and its processes would you like us to entertain?

We're not talking about a bunch of well intentioned people. We're talking about radical people who want us to go backward. Are you kidding?

[Bev54]

36. It is the dishonesty of the media that drives me crazy with the both sides

I am sorry I am not going to watch a bunch of people who are outwardly rooting for Trump by not doing their job at pushing back at the lies. If they want us to watch they will call out the lies instead allowing them to spew freely. When that day comes, I might start listening again.

[H2O Man]

16. Recommended.

Despite being tempted to respond with, "No! You are wrong! Go away!" ...... instead I'll use a quote from a letter from Rubin, fifty years ago. It's still true.

"Closed minds, like closed rooms, become stuffy."

[BootinUp]

17. Rhetorical Q1: When will the Editorial Board of the NYT do that?

Rhetorical Q2: When will the billionaire donors do that?

[H2O Man]

45. Non-Rjetorical Response.

The OP is about what you, me, and every other individual here will do. It is about keeping an open mind, because in order to win in November, we need to be able to communicate with others who do not think exactly like us.

[BootinUp]

46. I know exactly the intention of this thread.

the DUer who posted the OP is on the Biden should drop out train.

I would be disappointed to learn that you are too.

[sheshe2]

80. Yup.

[BootinUp]

82. I get too emotional though. I mean this subthread is crap

I alienate too often.

Whats funny is that I stopped posting for almost a day for the reasons Biden was talking about. But I still maintain that this OP is not talking about the same thing.

[H2O Man]

84. I have posted

several OPs and commented on numerous others that I support President Biden 100%.

But I listen to everyone with an open mind.

[BootinUp]

85. Cool. I have never thought of myself

As close minded. I subscribe to the NYT and WP if it is a discount deal. I read a wide range of opinion. I am actually more center left than most people here.

But I have been shocked by the pressure on the D party in the last couple of weeks. It has a lot to do with my reactionary posts.

Appreciate your comments.

[H2O Man]

87. I'm an old man

who has been a Democrat my entire "voting age" life. I am on the far left. I subscribe to the teachings of Martin Luthe King, Jr.

I'm also a long retired boxer. Now, like then, I like to win. Coming in second place in a boxing match or election should never be the goal.

And I am retired from acareer working at the county mental health clinic. I know the importance of listening -- even to someone you disagree with. Especially those on your same team.

[BootinUp]

89. Agree.

When I say center left I speak mostly of strategy. Today there are not that many strategies to consider imo.

As far as end goals we are not really different at all I would guess.

[H2O Man]

94. Tour & my goals

are probably very, very close, perhaps enough so to be exact.

When I was young, patience was not one of my virtues. In fact, I can't remember many "virtues" from that era, except that Iwas sincere in believing my generation could and would solve all of the world's problems. Holy cow!

Since then, I have learned that instant gratification rarely comes ..... there are, for example, two cases I worked on that took twenty years for resolution. That with patience, the smallest of creatures can climb the highest of mountains.

In the ring, in 329 fights, I learned not to be over-confident. Yes, I did! Yet I can say with 100% certainty that we can have Joe Biden win, if we all work together towards a common goal.

[emulatorloo]

18. Recommended and bookmarked.

[Deek1935]

19. There's a difference between occasionally hearing a different opinion and CONSTANT biased and unfair punditry.

Where was the media's ENDLESS POUNDING on Trump featuring calls to resign when Trump was convicted of 34 felonies, when Trump used the language of HItler (poisoning the blood....vermin....), when Trump stood in that debate and told crazy lie after crazy lie after crazy lie??? And on and on and on. You are defending biased, push-narrative corporate media BULLSHIT. That is different than listening to an occasional RATIONAL opinion on the opposite side of an issue.

[shrike3]

20. Cable News is pretty worthless.

I haven't watched it in ages, and am trying to get the husband to turn it off. It's not news, it's endless opinion and filler. MSNBC was ridiculous when I turned it on to learn about Trump's shooting. I switched it to CBS, which had a special report. Sane, sober, amd with analysis from an ex-SS when I turned it on. That's what I want, not silliness.

I put the NYT in my rearview mirror after the Judith Miller debacle. Hundreds of thousands died for nothing in Iraq, and no one has been held accountable, including the NYT. Philly Inquirer, LA Times, and wire services. Also, the Guardian. I'm into news, not opinion. I try my best to skip the opinion, especially lately.

[sheshe2]

24. In your OP you are talking directly to DUers. Democrats.

You quoted Biden but did not credit him.

Full quote:

“Here in America we need to get out of our silos, where we only listen to those with whom we agree, where misinformation is rampant, where foreign actors fan the flames of our division to shape the outcomes consistent with their interests, not ours,” Biden said.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-trump-shooting-election-2024-704592d02c3421a767112f0bf6d25eb9

President Biden is talking to the American people, all of them, not just Democrats. I agree with what he is saying, America, needs to wake up and see the clear and present danger of trump, the foreign actors he has joined forces with. and the domestic terrorist, MAGA, that we are facing.They need to see the clear and present danger to our democracy because we are holding on by a thread.

I will not listen to one pundit, politician or mega donor that says Biden needs to step down.

Jeebus! This has nothing to do with CNN and MSNBC.

[delisen]

25. CNN and MSNBC are not interactive

We cannot have a conversation. To watch them is to surrender valuable living time. They are being paid for their time, we are not.

The comunication is all one way. They tell us, we listen. It is unequal. A watcher/ listener becomes frustrated. Frustration leads to anxiety and a logical reaction is to stop/watching. This is a good reaction. It saves our valuable time, decreases anxiety and frees us up to pay attention to family, friends, neighbors. If enough people turn them off, they do eventually take notice because it affects profit.

The format is cheap because the shows are aimed at making a profit. Having talking heads on camera used to be considered bad form . These shows are mostly all talking heads. Very old fashioned.

Sure I can do an online comment but that is probably just tension relief for me with no guarantee it will be taken to heart by the “grand communicators.”

[notemason]

26. I recall you scolding us for not being willing

to listen to the other side when the other side was DeSantis. No thanks.

[RandySF]

27. My cousin's MAGA husband back home

told me he hopes California drops into the ocean. How do I work with that?

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

28. I try listening to those with whom i disagree

Problem is,they have no views upon which we c an agree........

[spooky3]

29. IRL I have a Dem activist friend. She believes the MSNBC hosts

(Except LOD) are deliberately stirring up controversy to drive ratings. Many of her fellow activists are furious with MSNBC’s recent antics. If she’s right, the only way to stop them is to stop watching

[Srkdqltr]

30. A lot of you folks need a hobby, outside in the air.

[Prairie Gates]

63. Yuuuuuup

[Keepthesoulalive]

31. What do I gain

By listening to Fox or Trumps lies. If you want to report news fine I can deal with that, but your opinions and anonymous sources are just gossip and propaganda. I will not cloud my brain with nonsense. The stakes are too high, our country and for many of us our lives depend on what happens with this election.

[brooklynite]

35. Will you listen to opinions you disagree with?

Nicole Wallace
Chris Hayes
Rachel Maddow
Jon Stewart
Stephen Colbert
Rob Reiner...etc

All have been admired here until they stated an opinion or brought up a guest who stated an opinion that people here were angry with.

[Keepthesoulalive]

37. These shows are entertainment

Not news. CNN used to report news but Bernie Shaw is deceased.

[leftstreet]

78. +1

I don't know anyone in the real world who watches that crap

[choie]

39. and, I'm sure it's a coincidence

most, if not all, agree with your opinion that Biden should withdraw from the race. Funny, that.

[sheshe2]

41. I do believe you are correct.

[brooklynite]

61. I've never said Biden should withdraw.

I'll accept your apology whenever its convenient.

That said this is a prime example. Plenty of the voices that HAVE said that were well respected here UNTIL their opinion differed from DU orthodoxy.

[shrike3]

40. Folks around here get a little tired of posts from on high.

This is one of them.

[sheshe2]

42. Preach On!

[JohnSJ]

53. Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

[vercetti2021]

43. Oh you're back

Joyful

[W_HAMILTON]

49. Who were you listening to when you predicted Dean Phillips would win NH?

Certainly not us.

Maybe you should listen more to our opinions, which you certainly seem to disagree with quite a bit, yeah?

[SocialDemocrat61]

54. It does make you wonder

Why someone who has such disdain for the rest of us and our opinions is doing here

[brooklynite]

62. And this has what to do with listening to people you disagree with?

[W_HAMILTON]

72. That you should listen to us more often rather than try to chide us.

[brooklynite]

74. I do listen to you; even when I disagree with you.

See how that works?

[W_HAMILTON]

95. Well if that's the low bar we are setting, I guess we all listen to begin with -- problem solved!

You know all those threads complaining about various news organizations/personalities that you seem to dislike so much? They inevitably have to be listening to them to lodge their complaints, which means they aren't being kept in a silo, which means they, too, are listening while disagreeing! Glad we could solve that, yay!

[DiamondShark]

51. This part,

“...where misinformation is rampant, where foreign actors fan the flames of our division to shape the outcomes consistent with their interests, not ours,” Biden said.

[Takket]

32. i'll listen to anyone that isn't lying to me as clearly demonstrated through fact checking

i don't need to come out of a "silo" so someone can brainwash me

[Deminpenn]

33. I only talk "politics" with people I know share my

views, but I like to engage others in conversation and ask open ended questions. I don't give away my political leanings, but like to propose alternate ways to think about things and point out different perspectives, to put themselves in someone else's shoes.

[alarimer]

34. But CNN and MSNBC are not that useful either

How many times have we noticed their agendas? They are corporate media, so of course they have a slant. They sling a lot of bullshit. It isn’t about certain guests; it’s that the totality of their guest list is from a small slice of the punditry. The quest for ratings above all else means actual journalism suffers. That’s why I tune it out.

This place here is a bit of an echo chamber, true, but open forums don’t really work. The wingnuts drive everybody away.

[Native]

38. i live in a red county in Florida. i couldnt hide from it no matter how hard i tried.

[vercetti2021]

44. I refuse to listen to the fascist fucking media

They've already picked their goddamn side I don't give a shit who they are. Oh and welcome back I guess...

[misanthrope]

47. Come live in Alabama for a while

then tell me what color the silo is where I live.

[DiamondShark]

50. What misinformation are you trying to rebuff?

“Here in America we need to get out of our silos, where we only listen to those with whom we agree, where misinformation is rampant, where foreign actors fan the flames of our division to shape the outcomes consistent with their interests, not ours,” Biden said.

[brewens]

52. I try and look for real journalism. It was only high school but I was on an award winning paper. We won an

excellence award from Columbia for the 13th year in a row the year I graduated.

Our adviser/teacher was a real old school newspaper pro who still covered our state legislature for a Spokane paper.

Crap journalism drives me crazy! Used to be the guys on the TV news came up the hard way. They weren't idiot news models.

[Emile]

56. Where do you recommend we get this other view?

[BigMin28]

57. I listen

I listen and read a variety of news sources. Corporate media are not amongst them, and I am better for it. Corporate media are about
profit, not informing the public.
Also, while in the car, I often listen to am radio, just to see what the wing nuts are talking about. It is a sewer. It is not the left that refuse to listen to other viewpoints. Maybe you should scold the other side. Good luck with that.

[Generic Brad]

58. Perhaps the news outlets should stop actively creating those silos

It’s not our fault the oligarchs scooped up nearly every news outlet and have been relentlessly determined to manipulate us with manufactured news and propaganda. The fourth estate has failed us and no longer report news. Instead they are working to create news. I am under no obligation to trust an entity that has proven itself to be untrustworthy.

[Vinca]

59. Well, if you think I'm suddenly going to "get out of the silo" and watch Fox "news," that would be a no.

Other than being on the same chunk of land between 2 oceans, we have little in common with MAGAs and it'll be a cold day in hell before I do any cozying up to them.

[Prairie Gates]

64. Anger wants a voice / Voices want to sing

Singers harmonize 'til they can't hear anything.

- Vampire Weekend

[Autumn]

65. Love you Joe but I see no need to spoil my beautiful mind

listening to those mother fuckers in the republican party, the fucking so called MSM the media pundits, fucking Trump humpers or any religious nut fucks. Hard pass on your advice. We can not fucking co exist with them or those middle of the road chicken shits.

[Sympthsical]

66. My mind is a talk show

And I am my favorite guest.

The space is designed to reinforce insularity. You've got a breeze and a bladder, and I don't think we need to do experiments to surmise the results.

[ecstatic]

67. Thing is, I've been there and done that.

I used to love the back and forth with liars and cable news hosts who slightly enabled con artists like trump.

Unfortunately, I can't do that anymore because it makes me physically ill. Listening to bullshit raises my blood pressure and causes extreme nausea or worse.

However, those of you that can do it safely and without contributing to their ratings should do so. Obviously we need to know what everyone is saying.

As far as the bubble of information that I receive--it's not like that for me. I don't automatically swallow whatever is told to me. I don't agree with everything that is mentioned, even on my favorite shows.

Out of habit, I usually Google / fact check most new information that is presented or just take it with a grain of salt. The one exception to that is sometimes posts that I come across on DU where I react first before getting all the facts. But even then, at least one person in the thread will set the record straight.

[msfiddlestix]

68. golly gee that's a worn out tiresome meme. If "outside our silos" are fascists Nazi's we are to listen to their concerns

with open minds and hearts?
white priders, misogynists. religious extremists etc etc, I will not give any space or opportunity to "engage".

[DFW]

77. No, NOT their concerns. I don't give a rat's ass about their concerns.

But yes, listen to what their opinions are, and on what they base them. It's the best way to build our counter arguments.

They do exactly the same with us, and was told this by none other than Richard Viguerie, who is the Prince of Darkness as far as politics goes. When I talk to him, Richard listens attentively. He then tells me why I'm full of shit, but he registers every word I say, and forgets none of it.

[msfiddlestix]

97. Well, you have the patience of a saint, or at least far more than I possess!

quite admirable, and I respect your intentions to try.

I just don't possess that skill set. Especially patience. and I find it extremely hard to tolerate what I view is outright stupidity.
hattip to you though!

[DFW]

98. My wife tells me it's one of the reasons she married me

It sure wasn’t for my movie star looks

I don’t tolerate stupidity well, either, but I try to suffer through it if I feel the intellectual capacity of the stupid person in question has been reached or exceeded.

[msfiddlestix]

99. your post makes me smile...

I have an allergy to maggat and other cult follower ideas and rationalizations. Just their words put me in a state of revulsion and disgust.
I think I had been exposed to way too much of it growing up in the south 3/4 of a century ago. Still fighting the civil war.

Northern California has been my home for over 50 years. I take some measure of comfort to the degree that element exist here,t I'm not surrounded by it.

[shrike3]

69. This quote comes from the guy your donor circle is "concerned" about.

Just sayin'.

[sheshe2]

96. Oh snap! ☝️

[yardwork]

70. I think listening to all-day infotainment IS a silo.

Those aren't sincere opinions. They're marketing spots.

[Hugin]

71. Yep...

They sell soap and “medicine”.

[Emile]

73. Judge Cannon has a political bias.

Someone needs to talk to her.

[DFW]

75. Listen? Sure, I listen.

I have friends in Congress with whom I disagree on certain current issues. Some have requested I keep our conversations private, and I always respect such requests.

I am even friends with a man I consider to be a (unfortunately very successful) very dangerous right wing strategist and fundraiser since the Reagan days. His name is Richard Viguerie, and he is a very smart far right nut case if ever there was one. He is, much to my consternation, also a very personable, friendly guy, whom I usually see once a year at New Year's. Last year was the first time in over 20 years I didn't see him due to family issues (his, not mine). He'll be 91 this year, and he's as sharp and as active as ever.

[brooklynite]

93. Not sure I'd consider Viguerie terribly dangerous at this point.

I will agree that he's personable and friendly.

[BeyondGeography]

76. I do that here every day

[planetc]

81. I'm confident that I'm in compliance with Pres. Biden's request.

I never agree with everyone who posts on DU. Some people, a lot, others, occasionally. As for our secondary sources, so far, George Takei's score is 100% agree.

[maxsolomon]

83. I've spent decades building and perfecting this silo. It protects my grip on sanity.

My social media has zero MAGAts. I moved to a city without MAGAts 30 years ago. I don't have MAGAt friends. I don't see * signs unless I go miles and miles out of town. Nowadays, I can barely stand to watch the news, read the newspaper, or, frankly, read DU.

The only MAGAts I've got in my life are relatives: my Dad, and my Aunt/Uncle/Cousins. I avoid the latter and I try not to discuss politics with my Dad. He's 88 and has rejected every argument against Republics made by his 4 flaming Liberal children and their offspring and has since 1980.

[mcar]

90. Getting out of our silo doesn't mean subjecting ourselves to non-stop BS