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highplainsdem

(61,420 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:05 AM Jul 2024

Laurence Tribe: Jack Smith should appeal immediately, has strong case to have Judge Cannon removed





Laurence Tribe 🇺🇦 ⚖️
@tribelaw

Judge Cannon just did the unthinkable: She dismissed the Trump classified documents case on the repeatedly rejected basis that DOJ violated the Constitution’s Appointments Clause by appointing Special Counsel Smith at all! DOJ must appeal right away. On SCOTUS, only Justice Thomas took that view in Trump v. United States. This finally gives Jack Smith an opportunity to seek her removal from the case. I think the case for doing so is very strong.
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Laurence Tribe: Jack Smith should appeal immediately, has strong case to have Judge Cannon removed (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2024 OP
Kick dalton99a Jul 2024 #1
It's not unthinkable in the least. Everyone knew this was going to happen. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #2
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #3
Nice language there AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2024 #7
I agree with Tribe, but... Polybius Jul 2024 #4
"Appeals will last until next year, well after the election" markodochartaigh Jul 2024 #26
Thinking SCOTUS will end up with it after appeal Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #32
These appeals, if they come at all, will be dismissed after January if Trump prevails in November. jaxexpat Jul 2024 #39
Appeals and Indignities yankee87 Jul 2024 #41
A book could/should be written exposing all the unnecessary extra-curricular activities of LEO's Inc. jaxexpat Jul 2024 #43
All of these experts DaBronx Jul 2024 #5
Cannon can see her Supreme Court seat gleaming in the very near future - she thinks. flashman13 Jul 2024 #6
Nope Abstractartist Jul 2024 #22
Unless she is impeached and removed she will be a pain in the butt for the next 40 years. flashman13 Jul 2024 #46
I wonder if judge Michael Luttig, who has been disappointed by the Tadpole Raisin Jul 2024 #8
Vote Emile Jul 2024 #13
Damn Straight!!! nt Tadpole Raisin Jul 2024 #15
Hunter should file his appeal already Johonny Jul 2024 #9
Nope, David Weiss was confirmed by the Senate gab13by13 Jul 2024 #12
The Supreme Court violated the Constitution gab13by13 Jul 2024 #10
Yes DVRacer Jul 2024 #16
He has worked for the DOJ before, had he not been confirmed in any of those jobs? Bev54 Jul 2024 #19
Nope he hasn't DVRacer Jul 2024 #25
Republicans; making up rule since... ? Nt lostnfound Jul 2024 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author gab13by13 Jul 2024 #14
Shoulda been done long ago orthoclad Jul 2024 #17
I am getting concerned of how many judges has the Heritage Foundation got to. Bev54 Jul 2024 #18
After my initial dismay BaronChocula Jul 2024 #20
I don't understand all the legal rules Abigail_Adams Jul 2024 #21
Tribe is right. BUT Tribe isn't a maga 6 justice, is he, and won't consider their overruling the 11th, ancianita Jul 2024 #23
There's no gurantee that it will even GET to SCOTUS FBaggins Jul 2024 #27
So far, every ruling that benefits/restrains the felon has gone to SCOTUS. ancianita Jul 2024 #30
Doesn't matter to me.... RussBLib Jul 2024 #24
Maybe she wants to be removed. moondust Jul 2024 #28
Tribe knows his stuff. But he was never MOMFUDSKI Jul 2024 #29
I Would Expect that Smith Is Prepared for That Deep State Witch Jul 2024 #31
I just got a wake-up call on another site. Smith could appeal and win, then Trump would appeal Vinca Jul 2024 #33
That's what I'm afraid of wryter2000 Jul 2024 #34
We've had special prosecutors forever Jilly_in_VA Jul 2024 #35
Do an Internet search and you can find answers to your questions. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2024 #38
Of course this is a flawed ruling, However, totodeinhere Jul 2024 #36
The prosecutors on MSNBC said Florida law MOMFUDSKI Jul 2024 #37
U.S. security bromeando Jul 2024 #40
She thinks Donnie Fuckjob is a shoe-in to get elected now, so she's paving her way to her Supreme Court chair. NBachers Jul 2024 #42
The Trump documents case being dismissed is actually a "blessing in disguise" for prosecutors. LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #44
The Trump documents case being dismissed is actually a "blessing in disguise" for prosecutors. LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #45
😅 intheflow Jul 2024 #47

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

markodochartaigh

(5,385 posts)
26. "Appeals will last until next year, well after the election"
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:44 AM
Jul 2024

Maybe, maybe not. The voters will decide.

Attilatheblond

(8,664 posts)
32. Thinking SCOTUS will end up with it after appeal
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:59 AM
Jul 2024

And they won't do a damned thing until Putin gets all the docs he can and that wouldn't be until TCF is beaten and loses all his attempts to overturn 2024 results.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
39. These appeals, if they come at all, will be dismissed after January if Trump prevails in November.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:54 PM
Jul 2024

Our DOJ, our legal system is absolutely powerless to prevent Fascism. There is no law against Fascism in the Constitution. Only an orderly tally of votes which prove Biden prevailed can help us now. We are paying the price of excusing corruption as it infects the roots from city hall to the Oval Office. Over the last 50 years, incrementally, like erosion, ice breaking mountains of exposed bedrock into gravel and sand, just enough graft to tip the scales; is on the verge of toppling our whole experiment into history's trashcan.

The first day 4th class mail became as golden as first class, you knew it was wrong. The first time you received fraudulent advertising in your mailbox, you knew it was wrong. The first time you noticed improper signage at your polling place, you knew it was wrong. The first time you saw octogenarians frisked and searched at the airport; you knew it was wrong. The first time you knew corporate crooks and tax cheats "skated", you knew it was wrong. The first "for profit prison" was wrong and, in your gut, you really knew it then, didn't you? The first time you saw political candidates actually out and out lie, unchecked, on TeeVee (and still get elected), you knew it was broken and hanging by a thread.

We've adapted by ignoring the indignities and insults to our sense of right and wrong. Too many little improprieties to which we've accustomed ourselves have acuminated like plaque in the arteries of our society. Now it's a monster and will not obey.

Social Security, it was a nice dream, a nation that retires with dignity........or at all, if Trump prevails, our nukes are Putin's nukes.

yankee87

(2,799 posts)
41. Appeals and Indignities
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 01:13 PM
Jul 2024

What you stated is spot on. I would also include DUI checks. I have zero expectations that courts will ever side against the wannabe dictator.
Is this how our country ends?

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
43. A book could/should be written exposing all the unnecessary extra-curricular activities of LEO's Inc.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 02:13 PM
Jul 2024

Maybe start with how they didn't/couldn't say "no" to donated military vehicles and weaponry handouts from a generous federal government. Do they see a need to stock up their arsenals for "military" warfare in the streets? The sheer stupidity is deafening. They don't get psych or IQ evaluations, but they damn sure get armored personnel carriers to haul their marginally house-trained boys in blue with bad attitudes around spreading mayhem and fear at whim.

Yes, this is the way the US could be going down. People will call it a step forward and I suppose it could look like it was to a generation 30 years from now struggling to stem the mad fight to claim the last acres of habitable territory on a terminally overcrowded and climatically doomed planet. It will then, after all, be way to late to contemplate the criminally naive notion that it didn't have to be that way.

Abstractartist

(441 posts)
22. Nope
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:28 AM
Jul 2024

Not when Joe Biden is elected for his second term. Trump will be replaced as the right wing zealot leader and Cannon will fade into absurdity and obscurity.

Tadpole Raisin

(1,977 posts)
8. I wonder if judge Michael Luttig, who has been disappointed by the
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:18 AM
Jul 2024

Supreme Court rulings but up to now has refrained from saying they are corrupt, will now do so.

These so called conservative justices for whom he was a mentor and an icon of conservative philosophy, no longer give a rats ass to him or the colleagues of his generation. They’ve got the power now and are primed to use it. They will force the Constitution to fit their hard right religious beliefs and no one can stop them.

I know we’re not at SCOTUS yet but it is going there and people have to stop being appeased by the rancid scraps they throw us and call it food.

We need to win the WH, senate, and House of Representatives and expand the court to match the number of circuit courts. And don’t give a shit about R’s screaming about packing the court. I’m tired of dems always seeming to be on their heels and on the defensive.

gab13by13

(31,922 posts)
10. The Supreme Court violated the Constitution
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:23 AM
Jul 2024

when it gave presidents absolute immunity, why should I believe it will do any differently in this case?

I believe that special counsels are supposed to be Senate confirmed. Just because they haven't been doing that all of the time still gives this Supreme Court a better argument than what it just did with immunity.

DVRacer

(734 posts)
16. Yes
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:35 AM
Jul 2024

That is the key difference Jack Smith has not been confirmed by the Senate. I get some may want to overlook it but that is an important step. We definitely do not want a Trump DOJ to be able to without Senate approval to start Special Counsel’s investigations into everyone he hates. The bad news in this case means all the evidence is spoiled.

Response to lostnfound (Reply #11)

Bev54

(13,397 posts)
18. I am getting concerned of how many judges has the Heritage Foundation got to.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:48 AM
Jul 2024

Does he take the chance that the 11th circuit may have also been tainted by them, or just start over in a new jurisdiction? The country is on its knees now, either stand up or fall over.

BaronChocula

(4,386 posts)
20. After my initial dismay
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:26 AM
Jul 2024

my second thought was that this would not end well for the felon's accomplice on the bench. I hope Mr. Tribe and I are right.

ancianita

(43,243 posts)
23. Tribe is right. BUT Tribe isn't a maga 6 justice, is he, and won't consider their overruling the 11th,
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:30 AM
Jul 2024

based on Clarence Thomas' reasoning re special counsel's basis in law. This is a legislative SCOTUS, and they won't stop with their Immunity ruling.

FBaggins

(28,698 posts)
27. There's no gurantee that it will even GET to SCOTUS
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:46 AM
Jul 2024

The 11th can be pretty red depending on the panel... and if TFG wins in November, DOJ would drop the appeal.

The real danger here is that the ruling probably forces yet another roadblock on the DC case - as the judge there has to at least consider the same question.

ancianita

(43,243 posts)
30. So far, every ruling that benefits/restrains the felon has gone to SCOTUS.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:52 AM
Jul 2024

I appreciate the pragmatic timeline constraints you present, but when Biden likely wins, these cases will proceed.

RussBLib

(10,541 posts)
24. Doesn't matter to me....
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:32 AM
Jul 2024

....if we try the orange plague after he loses the election.

Gotta keep a sharp eye on these plotters. Who knows what they will try to pull. All this "unity" shit from Trump is bull. He lies about everything.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

moondust

(21,260 posts)
28. Maybe she wants to be removed.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:51 AM
Jul 2024

Perhaps she knows she's not qualified to handle this case and doesn't want all the attention focused on her ineptitude.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
29. Tribe knows his stuff. But he was never
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:51 AM
Jul 2024

able to realize what others are capable of. He is old school abide by the laws. That is gone now

Deep State Witch

(12,691 posts)
31. I Would Expect that Smith Is Prepared for That
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:55 AM
Jul 2024

I would expect that Jack Smith is prepared for this kind of ruling. I would imagine that we'll hear something from them soon.

Vinca

(53,751 posts)
33. I just got a wake-up call on another site. Smith could appeal and win, then Trump would appeal
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 11:59 AM
Jul 2024

to the Supreme Court and Uncle Clarence and the other cult judges would probably side with him.

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
34. That's what I'm afraid of
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:10 PM
Jul 2024

And if his justices found for him, that would kill the case before Judge Chutkin.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,257 posts)
35. We've had special prosecutors forever
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:28 PM
Jul 2024

This is nothing new. So Loose Cannon is in error.

I have questions about her anyway. Where did she go to law school? What was her place in her graduating class? What was her score on the bar exam, and how many times did she have to take it? We deserve to know these things.

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
36. Of course this is a flawed ruling, However,
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:51 PM
Jul 2024

there is a silver lining. If this ruling stands then Hunter Biden should have his case dismissed also.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
37. The prosecutors on MSNBC said Florida law
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:53 PM
Jul 2024

should open the case there. Bypass DOJ and do it from the State level. We wait

bromeando

(169 posts)
40. U.S. security
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:54 PM
Jul 2024

"Judge" Cannon thinks it's ok to steal government documents. Trump harmed our national security.

NBachers

(19,365 posts)
42. She thinks Donnie Fuckjob is a shoe-in to get elected now, so she's paving her way to her Supreme Court chair.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 01:38 PM
Jul 2024

LetMyPeopleVote

(178,357 posts)
44. The Trump documents case being dismissed is actually a "blessing in disguise" for prosecutors.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 03:01 PM
Jul 2024

What I have been most worried about is Cannon letting this case go to trial and then dismissing after a jury had been selected and double jeopardy had attached. Cannon had not ruled on a ton of issues that she could have used to dismiss this case after jeopardy had attached.

AG Garland can refile using a regular US Attorney if he wants or can appeal


LetMyPeopleVote

(178,357 posts)
45. The Trump documents case being dismissed is actually a "blessing in disguise" for prosecutors.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 03:13 PM
Jul 2024

What I have been most worried about is Cannon letting this case go to trial and then dismissing after a jury had been selected and double jeopardy had attached. Cannon had not ruled on a ton of issues that she could have used to dismiss this case after jeopardy had attached.

AG Garland can refile using a regular US Attorney if he wants or can appeal


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