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highplainsdem

(62,134 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:02 PM Jul 2024

Lawrence O'Donnell: If we lived in a democracy, Clarence Thomas would be the only Republican on the Supreme Court &

Judge Cannon wouldn't be a judge because ...

in a democracy the candidate with the most votes wins.

That's why no other democracy in the world copied our Electoral College.



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Lawrence O'Donnell: If we lived in a democracy, Clarence Thomas would be the only Republican on the Supreme Court & (Original Post) highplainsdem Jul 2024 OP
Maybe Polybius Jul 2024 #1
Yep! Why Lawrence would say something so easy to jimfields33 Jul 2024 #3
But Lawrence was correct DeeDeeNY Jul 2024 #11
Popular Vote mean nothing Polybius Jul 2024 #15
So W would have run again in 04 SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #6
I don't think that matters democrattotheend Jul 2024 #8
But he wouldn't have been President in 04 SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #14
Perhaps, since it was hyper close, and he would have disputed his 2000 loss Polybius Jul 2024 #16
Well, we live in a Republic. maxsolomon Jul 2024 #2
A republic is a form of democracy. Republicans are morons. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #10
Rigged from the beginning. moondust Jul 2024 #4
I've always understood it was to prevent Virginia from dominating elections underpants Jul 2024 #5
'merica. Not like the brochure. twodogsbarking Jul 2024 #7
America doesn't have the highest democracy index because of low voter access in Texas and Missouri uponit7771 Jul 2024 #9
The Electoral College... GiqueCee Jul 2024 #12
National Popular Vote Interstate Compact bmichaelh Jul 2024 #13

DeeDeeNY

(3,953 posts)
11. But Lawrence was correct
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 02:58 PM
Jul 2024

W would most likely not have run in 2004 after losing the 2000 election to Gore, which would have been the case if there was no electoral college.
Gore received over half a million more popular votes than W.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
15. Popular Vote mean nothing
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 01:48 AM
Jul 2024

If W lost Florida by 200 votes in 2000, he may have ran again in 2004. Gore may have also lost 2004 to Romney or McCain, who in turn would have appointed similar (or even the same) Justices. No way to tell.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
8. I don't think that matters
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 02:34 PM
Jul 2024

He might or might not have, but either way, he won the popular vote in 2004.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,634 posts)
14. But he wouldn't have been President in 04
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 03:19 PM
Jul 2024

to run for re-election if the popular vote winner in 2000 had become president.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
16. Perhaps, since it was hyper close, and he would have disputed his 2000 loss
Tue Jul 16, 2024, 01:50 AM
Jul 2024

Like I also said to the other poster:

Gore may have also lost 2004 to Romney or McCain, who in turn would have appointed similar (or even the same) Justices. No way to tell.

maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
2. Well, we live in a Republic.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:09 PM
Jul 2024

As Republicans constantly remind us.

2 antiquated institutions disenfranchise millions:
1. Electoral College (why are there 2 Dakotas, anyway?)
2. The Senate.

SunSeeker

(58,274 posts)
10. A republic is a form of democracy. Republicans are morons.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 02:49 PM
Jul 2024

That's like saying a lemon is not a fruit, it's citrus.

moondust

(21,286 posts)
4. Rigged from the beginning.
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 12:14 PM
Jul 2024

I suppose the "owners" were scared the poor would begin voting and unite to throw the bums out (and maybe take their stuff), similar to what the French peasants had recently done. The EC was a bit of insurance against that happening.

GQP: The rigging in our favor shall continue.

underpants

(196,489 posts)
5. I've always understood it was to prevent Virginia from dominating elections
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 01:20 PM
Jul 2024

Which they did anyway at the beginning.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
9. America doesn't have the highest democracy index because of low voter access in Texas and Missouri
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 02:35 PM
Jul 2024

bmichaelh

(1,180 posts)
13. National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 03:05 PM
Jul 2024

Getting rid of Electoral College would require Amendment to the Constitution.

However, there is a way, that some states are trying to circumvent it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

They would award their electoral votes to the candidate that wins the national popular vote.

Currently, they have only 17 states and DC (209 electoral votes)
So, I think the compact only goes into effect if they have at least 270 electoral votes.

Whether, some state would challenge it and it would be declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS is another matter.

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