Nicolle Wallace must think Vance is a strong pick.

[Frasier Balzov]

She sounds a little panicky.

I would reassure her that there's nothing to worry about.

Vance does not help Trump except with Already Trumpers.

[lynintenn]

1. he was the one I was afraid of

He. is smart and slimy.

[Elessar Zappa]

2. Yeah but he's not very likable.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Trump sees himself as the charm guy.

He needs a slimy little weasel to do the dirty work.
And bring in cash.

[Irish_Dem]

3. Trump better watch out.

Maybe he has met his match.

[BlueKota]

18. I am kind of wondering whether their egos will clash?

[Irish_Dem]

22. Yes people thought Trump would go for a weaker personalty for that reason.

I am assuming they will clash.

But they are united totally in their ruthless goal of obtaining as much money and power
as possible.

Perhaps Vance will act the subservient role for the time being.

[Claustrum]

26. My thoughts exactly.

I am sure Vance is smart enough to know he has to play along for now, especially if his goal of being the VP is to absorb the MAGA base once TFG is no longer on the scene. He knows he has to play nice with TFG for now.

[Irish_Dem]

29. Exactly. Vance is ruthless and ambitious.

He wants to be POTUS.

He won't rock the boat for the short term.

[misanthrope]

30. That might be a way to sow dissension in Trump's camp

Democrats need to find a way to make Trump feel threatened by Vance. It could come in subtly couched public statements, rumor mills, anything. Trump's ego is his Achilles heel.

[Irish_Dem]

32. I agree, and it would be very easy to do it.

It won't take much to get these two men fighting.

[Attilatheblond]

35. Trump doesn't really wield much power anymore. His money is gone and he relies on others

The ones pulling the strings probably picked Vance. Trump is just another employee of the Fascist Class.

[Irish_Dem]

39. Excellent point. Trump is very easy to manipulate with flattery and money.

[Frasier Balzov]

4. The too-dogmatic is what makes him good for a convention

and bad as a pick for the VP nominee.

[onecaliberal]

7. Independent voters are done with slimy.

They are done with chaos.

[Polybius]

43. Do you have any poll links for that statement?

Not that I'm doubting you, but it contradicts polls I've seen.

[OnDoutside]

6. Who else could he have picked that was "better" ?

That said it's all about Trump.

[Dr. Shepper]

27. Doug Burgam

Could have brought some never trumpers back to the fold. He was who I was afraid of. He’s also my governor. 😕

[OnDoutside]

41. Interesting opinion (and it's why I asked), I'd have put him on the Mike Pence side of VPs though he's

not a Mr Personality is he ?

What I'm getting at is that any other known candidate was ruled out, as opposed to Vance ruling himself in. If you look at his state, it is going to vote red anyway, so where's the advantage ? Plus of course Vance has given Democrats a hit list of attack points against Trump.

[ecstatic]

8. I ventured to their boards to see the reaction

It seems a little mixed with some racism directed towards his wife.

[WarGamer]

11. Just nasty... she's incredibly accomplished.

More impressive than her husband, certainly.

[chowder66]

14. Except that she clerked for Roberts, Kavanaugh and another 6th Circuit judge picked by trump

[WarGamer]

16. accomplished doesn't mean "nice"

summa cum laude at Yale... Masters at Cambridge then a JD at Yale... editor of Yale Law Journal...

Yes she clerked for Barf the Beer Keg Man Kavanaugh and Judge Invisible Roberts... but I'm talking about her bio

[chowder66]

19. Agreed but we've seen a few "accomplished" people on the Supreme Court and in Congress who don't seem

to understand very much at all.

[Nixie]

23. Kamala is also accomplished, but they call her a DEI "hire"

I take it that JD Vance won't be disparaging ethnicity now, since his wife would also be reduced.

[WarGamer]

25. EXACTLY

[Claustrum]

28. This is the reason why TFG was never going with a non-white non-male VP.

If the VP's wife is getting that, imagine if he ever picked Haley.

Now, just what political party is not condemning these statements is beyond me.

[ecstatic]

38. Exactly. There was no way that was going to happen

And gnome was never an option either. They hate women too.

[WarGamer]

9. They're putting all the chips on PA, WI and MI... thinking Vance can help.

I'm not sure if he can generate NEW votes.

[Frasier Balzov]

15. A Trump Mini-Me is not Big Tent.

Vance becomes an exclusionary figure. Maybe a centurion, but only extreme MAGA can love him.

[WarGamer]

17. he certainly won't bring ONE woman to the ballot box.

[Attilatheblond]

36. sadly, some women will vote eye candy

I knew some who were aware Reagan was a dumb jerk, but the voted for him because of his hair. I have been terrified of the general public ever since.

[LexVegas]

10. Wallace about to go under the bus. nt

[Skittles]

13. it's pretty crowded under there now

yes indeed

[yorkster]

31. She is big time pushing Biden must go

in a somewhat manic style, while trying to say that's not what she's doing.

[Skittles]

12. anyone briefly envisioning that POS as president would feel panic

the man is utterly disgusting

[allegorical oracle]

20. TFG liked the "hillbilly" notion of Vance to attract any straggler rubes. nt

[Frasier Balzov]

21. Straggler Rubes is my new favorite band name.

[Self Esteem]

24. It's a bad pick.

It doesn't bring in any new voters and does absolutely nothing to calm the fears of Project 2025. Scott would have been a better pick.

[lastlib]

33. He probably IS a good pick to the repuglikkkans.....

To the rest of humanity, he's as awful as his master. Another deplorable slug of a human.

[Hekate]

34. "Strong" ? I'd have said, "Very dangerous to the country. "

[Sympthsical]

37. He's a Rust Belt pick

It is a bizarrely shrewd choice from Trump. Everyone's been thinking about this from a Beltway perspective, I think. Scott, Haley, Rubio. Those are exactly the kinds of people pundits in D.C. would assume. But I don't see how any of those people would've helped him in the areas he needs to manage for the electoral college.

People from our side saying, "Vance sucks. What a dumb pick!" Remember, Trump doesn't have to win us over - and he's not trying to.

Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, rural Virginia, Georgia.

That's what this is about.

[radius777]

42. Trump already has those voters,

he lost in 2020 due to underperforming in the suburbs, and Vance doesn't help with that, and isn't qualified to be president (a major concern considering Trump's age).

[Sympthsical]

44. It's all about turn out

It's a calculation that Vance will turn out the discontenteds in these states.

Is it a good calculation? We'll find out.

People often forget or never knew that 2020 was a hell of a lot closer than it appeared on the surface. President Biden won the popular vote by 7 million. However, if Trump would have managed to shift around about 50,000 votes across Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona, it would have been a tie in the electoral college. The man wasn't making his illegal phone calls for nothin.

If you go with Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, and Pennsylvania, President Biden took them with a total of about 300,000 votes.

These are thin margins, and that's where the 2024 election is going to land. This is where it's going to be played out. If you keep everything exactly the same as 2020, but Trump can squeeze his base out just a little bit more, we can have a problem.

Like I said, I don't know if this is a good calculation, but I get why he's making it.

[Cosmocat]

46. Correct

this is what my thoughts have been ...

[Cosmocat]

45. correct

nm

[0rganism]

40. She's right to be: he's dangerous, rich, ruthless, and electable

We're in for a really bad time if/when TSF 2.0 moves back into the whitehouse.

[GoCubsGo]

47. Maybe she's having Sarah Palin flashbacks. nt