Is this a question worth asking about the shooter?

[Blue Cape]

Last edited Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:06 AM - Edit history (1)

Crooks is first seen walking around a magnetometer with a laser rangefinder, at about 5:40 p.m. leaves the venue, circles around to the back of the maintenance facility and climbs the roof as Trump starts talking.

Who starts their scouting and execution for such an act 40 minutes after Trump was supposed to begin his presentation?

Donald Trump will be holding a rally at the Butler County Farm Show grounds this Saturday — just days before he is set to be crowned as the Republican nominee in Milwaukee.

Doors for Trump's appearance are set to open at 1 p.m. Saturday; Trump himself is scheduled to speak at 5 p.m.

https://www.wesa.fm/politics-government/2024-07-12/donald-trump-butler-pa-rally

[marble falls]

1. Firing up the woooo are we? "Up and to the left, up and to the left." Please let there be no grassy knoll.

[John1956PA]

3. He assumed Trump would be at least a half hour late.

He thought that that he would take his position while Trump was part way through his long speech, while the crowd would be looking at Trump rather than glancing around at their surroundings.

Note, all of the foregoing is conjecture on my part. I am simply advancing a possible explanation.

ON EDIT: I am sorry that I mistakenly replied to your post. I meant to reply to the OP.

[Irish_Dem]

7. This makes sense.

He would want to minimize his time on the rooftop.

Much better to arrive late.

The audience is focused on the speakers.
Not looking around.
Not noticing him climbing up to the rooftop.

And he is not on the rooftop long before he starts shooting.
Minimizes his exposure.

[Irish_Dem]

11. And maybe something delayed him.

So that added to his agitation and mistakes.

[BoRaGard]

27. You'd have to be a damn fool to not ask questions

The Felon/Rapist has lied to you (and us) a thousand times. Should we accept without question this latest incident? Should we not wonder at all why there has been no medical report of how the Felon was treated? Should we not ask about the security failures?

Not for me. I think it would be stupid to trust the guy. So I am asking questions. I'm glad the OP is also asking questions.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. "Who starts their scouting and execution for such an act 40 minutes after Trump was supposed to begin his presentation?"

Crooks did, apparently?

[allegorical oracle]

6. What do you expect for a 20-yr-old who wasn't even able to make his school's shooting team?

[marble falls]

23. Even Oswald had a good day on the range once in a while.

[lapfog_1]

4. I am hoping that within a month or two

we get a complete picture of the shooter's motive ( if possible ) as well as a second by second account of what the shooter, the witnesses, the local and state police and the Secret Service movements and communications were. We deserve this because we need to know what could or should be improved for the next outdoor rally by a candidate. And we need to knock down all conspiracy rumors, etc. If there was or is an ongoing coverup of something, I hope that this forensic details report tamps them down or ends in arrests ( if there was something nefarious going on ).

[Irish_Dem]

8. I agree we need full disclosure for the reasons you cite.

Don't know if we will get it or not.

Especially if the results make the SS look bad.

[MaryMagdaline]

15. It seems that SS already has procedures and they were all ignored

- from securing the perimeter to knocking Trump to the floor the second there was a shot. This security was a total mess.

[stopdiggin]

5. what 'point' are we trying to make here? -(nt)-

[Irish_Dem]

10. Crime scene investigation talk.

Trying to look at the evidence and facts, and figure out what happened and how.

[stopdiggin]

12. god spare us from the amateur sleuths

'Cause by golly they'll get to the bottom of this mess! And don't forget to check in on Billy Bob's blog site, or uncle Jimmy's Facebook feed!

[Irish_Dem]

14. It is hobby and harmless.

People enjoy using their brains to solve problems and figure out mysteries.

I see some hobbies which don't make sense to me, but I respect to each their own.
And if it causes no harm, not my business anyway.

[stopdiggin]

18. I disagree that it is harmless

this kind of insistence on 'conspiracy' is clearly a rabbit hole for many.
And as evidence - just check out how quickly (and persistently) wild theory and speculation has taken shape on this site.
It's not healthy at all - either individually, or collectively.

[Blue Cape]

20. So now you don't like facts?

Sounds like a you problem.

[stopdiggin]

21. Facts?? Where did I ever (in several posts above) pan facts?

What I'm clearly skeptical of - is the continuous trolling for speculation and innuendo.
And the post you are responding to was pretty straightforward in that regard.

(Are you connected to this case in any capacity? And if not, why would I be interested in your amateur speculation/investigation?)

[stopdiggin]

26. frankly I don't see any purpose to the question

Who starts their scouting and execution for such an act 40 minutes after Trump was supposed to begin his presentation?

Unless there was an 'implication' involved? I don't know - was there?

So, returning to the original, "Is this a question worth asking ?"
I guess my answer is still, "What's the point!?" And, "None that I can see."

[The Magistrate]

9. Could Have Just Been Confirming Earlier Observations

He lives there, and Google Maps on satellite view can be quite informative.

[Emrys]

13. "Crooks is first seen walking around with a magnetometer"

I don't know if this a typo or a misunderstanding.

There were reportedly security magnetometer stations at the entrance to the rally site, and Crooks first attracted attention by loitering near one, so delete "with" and your statement would be correct.

[yagotme]

16. I read somewhere that it was a range finder.

My info is just as good as any other amateur detectives out there, lol.

[tetedur]

17. I heard from CNN (John Miller) he raised some eyebrows because he had a range finder

when he went through the magnetometer. He didn't have his gun but must have gone back to his car and then gone to the building that was not within the secure perimeter.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/16/us/video/john-miller-shooter-actions-before-trump-rally-sot-ebof-digvid

[Think. Again.]

19. This just isn't as interesting as people want to make it.

A gun-humping republican shot at another republican.

None of that is surprising.

[marble falls]

24. It's just another blip in the TFG saga. No real significance past selling newpapers.

[Fiendish Thingy]

22. No, it isn't worth asking

It’s a distraction from the goal of defeating Trump in November.

[MartyTheGreek]

28. Brainstorming Building the case. Why was the transmitter battery out & away from the device?

Someone mentioned his Google activity? What movies did he watch? Recent life crisis? Nursing homes can be depressing! Dad didn't live there.

When and what inspires the cult followers to eventually turn on the demigod? Someone mentioned in thread, the turnout was nearly half the size it was in 2022. Are the Hannibal Lectors now crawling out of the woodwork? Check the report yesterday on Alex Jones and what he said 5 months ago!

It's all crazy shit, but these things need to be in the hopper!