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Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:42 AM Jul 2024

Joe and Mika laid it out crystal clear: Biden is IN, has the delegates, has done GREAT since the debate, polls are even.

So Joe and Mika on Morning Joe are saying enough is enough. It is done. Biden's not going anywhere and has said so time and time again. He won the primary and has the delegates. He has done very well since the debate, and there is ZERO evidence in the polls that he can't win, the polls being even in this very polarized electorate. They say it comes down to whether people want Trump/Vance or Biden/Harris for America and American policy.

So they say stop the division and the handwringing and get behind your candidate because this continued division is only hurting Biden and the party and helping Trump. It is not Biden hurting the party, it is THEM hurting the party by continuing this FALLACY NARRATIVE that Biden can't win which is simply not true.

And what is the "strategy"? The strategy is to keep doing what he is doing. Biden is OUT THERE doing great events AND he is GOVERNING well. Keep doing these really great events. Keep showing how bad Trump would be versus the Biden/Harris agenda. Keep going after a ceasefire deal in Gaza. Keep managing the border. Keep up the economic policies that are creating jobs and bringing down inflation as we speak. Keep fixing roads and bridges. Keep being a great statesman.

Biden is the nominee, PERIOD. He has been doing VERY well. For those who live and die by polls, there is ZERO polling data to say Trump is absolutely going to win in November, nor is there any polling data to show that anyone else would do any better in November. It is a polarized electorate, and it was ALWAYS going to be close, and it would close with ANY candidate.

Based on how presidential elections REALLY work, we are stronger with our INCUMBENT candidate who has GOVERNED well, has MANY accomplishments as president to run on, and had a clear and smooth primary victory. Changing now would mean utter CHAOS and DIVISION and DISARRAY, all being completely SELF-INFLICTED. It would be POLITICAL SUICIDE all in FOLLY bumbling around in the darkness searching for some FANTASY candidate that does not exist. It would be the very epitome of political ULTRA-STUPIDITY.



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Joe and Mika laid it out crystal clear: Biden is IN, has the delegates, has done GREAT since the debate, polls are even. (Original Post) Deek1935 Jul 2024 OP
Thank you Joe and Mika.. Peacetrain Jul 2024 #1
And those are words I never thought Bettie Jul 2024 #3
Me either... Peacetrain Jul 2024 #4
Same here. we can do it Jul 2024 #15
As long as he's out there every day he'll be okay Takket Jul 2024 #2
Yes and he has been doing all that for three weeks while Donald Dump road around on his golf cart. Deek1935 Jul 2024 #6
This is why I criticize all these mcar Jul 2024 #5
There were never "leaks", just media lies. Traurigkeit Jul 2024 #12
That is entirely possible. nt mcar Jul 2024 #13
Okay, so let's stop all the handwringing and go to work... its beyond time to stump for Joe & go after that POS tRump!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2024 #7
Yup! Deek1935 Jul 2024 #9
This! mcar Jul 2024 #14
YES! Those repuke jackals are expecting us to be flustered. Let's show them we are NOT. CTyankee Jul 2024 #31
Good to see Johnny2X2X Jul 2024 #8
Media is pure BULLSHIT corporate CRAP. Deek1935 Jul 2024 #10
Agree Johnny2X2X Jul 2024 #19
Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski? quickesst Jul 2024 #11
They have been rocking it for a long time now. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #29
And Nicolle Wallace! Another convert to our cause. She knows the wiles of the repuke party very well. CTyankee Jul 2024 #32
So glad to see that it appears she has jumped off the ditch Biden train. lark Jul 2024 #37
Of course they have.. quickesst Jul 2024 #38
To be fair, Mika changed him. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #40
Ok... quickesst Jul 2024 #41
Maybe but his show with Mika first supported trump LakeArenal Jul 2024 #44
Exactly wryter2000 Jul 2024 #16
I agree. The closer it gets (time wise), the more info that comes out about project 2025 liberalla Jul 2024 #28
'i feel good et tu Jul 2024 #34
Joe is our Roosevelt ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #17
Pleased they are going to do a virtual nomination with the delegates b4 the convention! PortTack Jul 2024 #18
Smart move to be sure!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2024 #36
Good on them! karin_sj Jul 2024 #20
ive been off news for weeks..cept right after trump almost got killed... samnsara Jul 2024 #21
Never thought I would agree this strongly with Joe and Mika. Katinfl Jul 2024 #22
include Michael Steele happy feet Jul 2024 #27
Glad they are behind Biden ScubaSteve Jul 2024 #23
Obama's first debate didn't go that well, either Rocknation Jul 2024 #24
Well, if Joe and Mika said it, it must be true. Renew Deal Jul 2024 #25
Hear Hear happy feet Jul 2024 #26
Thank you, Joe and Mika. You know we live in weird times when I say that. shrike3 Jul 2024 #30
The dead intern guy? nt LexVegas Jul 2024 #33
The intern died in his office Progressive dog Jul 2024 #42
Exactly right. I'm avoiding the news as much as possible, because the noise:signal ratio isn't worth it. Sticking to chia Jul 2024 #35
It shouldn't even be this close Dem4life1234 Jul 2024 #39
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2024 #43
They changed their tune this morning SamuelTheThird Jul 2024 #45

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
3. And those are words I never thought
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:48 AM
Jul 2024

I'd agree with put togehter in that order, but there it is.

Takket

(23,715 posts)
2. As long as he's out there every day he'll be okay
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:48 AM
Jul 2024

Absolutely don’t just mean campaign stump speeches. Press conferences. Oval Office addresses. Get out there on national tv as much as possible. Otherwise the narrative will be this “his handlers are hiding him because he’s senile” bullshit.

If Biden doesn’t define the narrative on his health, then someone else will do it form him.

 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
6. Yes and he has been doing all that for three weeks while Donald Dump road around on his golf cart.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:53 AM
Jul 2024

mcar

(46,057 posts)
5. This is why I criticize all these
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:52 AM
Jul 2024

"senior staffer" leaks. Biden is the nominee. It is over.

People may have concerns but anonymously airing them to media who desperately want to keep the narrative going helps no one but Trump.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,518 posts)
7. Okay, so let's stop all the handwringing and go to work... its beyond time to stump for Joe & go after that POS tRump!!
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:58 AM
Jul 2024

CTyankee

(68,202 posts)
31. YES! Those repuke jackals are expecting us to be flustered. Let's show them we are NOT.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 12:18 PM
Jul 2024

If anything, we are re-energized now that Trump has anointed another lowlife, another scum of the earth, another woman-hating filth to the ticket.

They are counting on us to just wring our hands. LETS PROVE THEM WRONG!

Johnny2X2X

(24,207 posts)
8. Good to see
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:02 AM
Jul 2024

Media is pushing a narrrative that Trump is ahead really hard. He is not ahead, Biden might be slightly ahead if anything. Do not let the idea of a Trump 2nd presidency become normalized.

Johnny2X2X

(24,207 posts)
19. Agree
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:46 AM
Jul 2024

It's spreading like wildfire right now though, even totally non political sites are talking about Trump being back in.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
29. They have been rocking it for a long time now.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 12:12 PM
Jul 2024

Also Charlie Sykes.

If you are from WI you know Charlie and hated him.

Now he rocks. Even Michael Steele, too.

CTyankee

(68,202 posts)
32. And Nicolle Wallace! Another convert to our cause. She knows the wiles of the repuke party very well.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 12:20 PM
Jul 2024

She is and will be a valuable fighter in this election.

lark

(26,081 posts)
37. So glad to see that it appears she has jumped off the ditch Biden train.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:46 PM
Jul 2024

I took a chance and watched some of her show yesterday and saw nothing offensively anti-Biden for the first time in awhile. I think she's plenty smart, just got scared because she's in a double journalist household. She willl definitely, along with the other liberal media, be targets if tcf steals this next election. He could never win in a fair fight so fights dirty and cheats all the time.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
38. Of course they have..
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:19 PM
Jul 2024

but for the longest time all I heard was "Joe scum", and the voices that agreed with it. I thought I was petty then
, and I still think it's petty.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
41. Ok...
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 06:50 PM
Jul 2024

Not knowing the details of his transformation, I would rather believe it was an awakening to the danger Donald Trump and his ilk posed. I suspect he would still be a republican had this false cheeto idol not reared its ugly head.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
44. Maybe but his show with Mika first supported trump
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 12:24 PM
Jul 2024

Mika was the one who began pointing out problems with trump. This is why many people quit watching Joe.

That’s why his show is filled with ex republicans.

Recently I began watching more and some shows have been the bomb.

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
16. Exactly
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:28 AM
Jul 2024

Seriously, though, I don’t think it’s going to be that close. I think Biden will have a bigger win than last time. The days of landslides are over, but Biden will win solidly.

liberalla

(11,089 posts)
28. I agree. The closer it gets (time wise), the more info that comes out about project 2025
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 11:55 AM
Jul 2024

and the further tightening of laws re:women's bodies and health, plus the increasing threat from the radical, rabid RW Supreme Court ‐‐----- and of course... DEMOCRACY!

People will find the only logical, reasonable choice is BIDEN!

(and he'll win by a healthy convincing margin)



karin_sj

(1,370 posts)
20. Good on them!
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:48 AM
Jul 2024

Glad to see Mika and Joe are using their platform to do what needs to be done right now. I think MSNBC ratings will start to really demonstrate which shows are watched (Lawrence's, Joy's, Katy Phang's and Mika & Joe) and those whose ratings are dropping like a rock (Alex W, Chris, etc., and all the morning shows). Not sure yet where Nicolle and Rachel will land in all this... I hope they pivot to doing all they can to save our democracy and get off the step down frenzy. And their guests too. I'm looking at you John Heillman, Clare McCaskill, Tim Miller, and so many others.

samnsara

(18,767 posts)
21. ive been off news for weeks..cept right after trump almost got killed...
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 11:02 AM
Jul 2024

...and even then it was somehow touted as a + for trump. BUT im glad to read this as i check out DU for anything that needs my attn on tv.

ok, going back to Bones-a-thon....

Katinfl

(816 posts)
22. Never thought I would agree this strongly with Joe and Mika.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 11:10 AM
Jul 2024

Don't tune in but I get bits and pieces in the morning. They seem to be the only ones, besides Lawrence, who supports Biden as the nominee. Nicolle is OK, but lately she seems to be supporting nominating someone else. I have pretty much stopped listening to MSNBC altogether because of these views. I'm hoping their ratings go in the toilet because of this.

happy feet

(1,279 posts)
27. include Michael Steele
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 11:53 AM
Jul 2024

w/Lawrence who never veered from Biden..push back against the other commentators and Dem elites.

ScubaSteve

(120 posts)
23. Glad they are behind Biden
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 11:16 AM
Jul 2024

So sick of listening to all the other fucks backing out on Joe.

Go Joe and Mika!

Rocknation

(45,006 posts)
24. Obama's first debate didn't go that well, either
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 11:18 AM
Jul 2024

Good thing he a had good running mate to turn to...


Rocknation

happy feet

(1,279 posts)
26. Hear Hear
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 11:51 AM
Jul 2024

Thanks for watching and reporting since I haven't watched any MSNBC (or other stations) since the day after the debate EXCEPT for Lawrence ODonnell and occasionally Michael Steele who have been clear eyed, thoughtful and never veered from Biden.

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
42. The intern died in his office
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 07:00 PM
Jul 2024

of natural causes. Donald Trump is still pushing a conspiracy theory about it.

chia

(2,817 posts)
35. Exactly right. I'm avoiding the news as much as possible, because the noise:signal ratio isn't worth it. Sticking to
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 12:45 PM
Jul 2024

newsletters from Heather Cox Richardson and Joyce Vance and other analysts I trust. Talking Points Memo, DU of course.

Dem4life1234

(2,533 posts)
39. It shouldn't even be this close
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:57 PM
Jul 2024

Joe is working his ass off while orange whale doing nothing but playing golf. Makes me fucking sick!

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