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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJoe and Mika laid it out crystal clear: Biden is IN, has the delegates, has done GREAT since the debate, polls are even.
So Joe and Mika on Morning Joe are saying enough is enough. It is done. Biden's not going anywhere and has said so time and time again. He won the primary and has the delegates. He has done very well since the debate, and there is ZERO evidence in the polls that he can't win, the polls being even in this very polarized electorate. They say it comes down to whether people want Trump/Vance or Biden/Harris for America and American policy.
So they say stop the division and the handwringing and get behind your candidate because this continued division is only hurting Biden and the party and helping Trump. It is not Biden hurting the party, it is THEM hurting the party by continuing this FALLACY NARRATIVE that Biden can't win which is simply not true.
And what is the "strategy"? The strategy is to keep doing what he is doing. Biden is OUT THERE doing great events AND he is GOVERNING well. Keep doing these really great events. Keep showing how bad Trump would be versus the Biden/Harris agenda. Keep going after a ceasefire deal in Gaza. Keep managing the border. Keep up the economic policies that are creating jobs and bringing down inflation as we speak. Keep fixing roads and bridges. Keep being a great statesman.
Biden is the nominee, PERIOD. He has been doing VERY well. For those who live and die by polls, there is ZERO polling data to say Trump is absolutely going to win in November, nor is there any polling data to show that anyone else would do any better in November. It is a polarized electorate, and it was ALWAYS going to be close, and it would close with ANY candidate.
Based on how presidential elections REALLY work, we are stronger with our INCUMBENT candidate who has GOVERNED well, has MANY accomplishments as president to run on, and had a clear and smooth primary victory. Changing now would mean utter CHAOS and DIVISION and DISARRAY, all being completely SELF-INFLICTED. It would be POLITICAL SUICIDE all in FOLLY bumbling around in the darkness searching for some FANTASY candidate that does not exist. It would be the very epitome of political ULTRA-STUPIDITY.
Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)Bettie
(19,704 posts)I'd agree with put togehter in that order, but there it is.
Peacetrain
(24,288 posts)we can do it
(13,024 posts)Takket
(23,715 posts)Absolutely dont just mean campaign stump speeches. Press conferences. Oval Office addresses. Get out there on national tv as much as possible. Otherwise the narrative will be this his handlers are hiding him because hes senile bullshit.
If Biden doesnt define the narrative on his health, then someone else will do it form him.
Deek1935
(1,055 posts)mcar
(46,057 posts)"senior staffer" leaks. Biden is the nominee. It is over.
People may have concerns but anonymously airing them to media who desperately want to keep the narrative going helps no one but Trump.
Traurigkeit
(1,290 posts)mcar
(46,057 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)CTyankee
(68,202 posts)If anything, we are re-energized now that Trump has anointed another lowlife, another scum of the earth, another woman-hating filth to the ticket.
They are counting on us to just wring our hands. LETS PROVE THEM WRONG!
Johnny2X2X
(24,207 posts)Media is pushing a narrrative that Trump is ahead really hard. He is not ahead, Biden might be slightly ahead if anything. Do not let the idea of a Trump 2nd presidency become normalized.
Deek1935
(1,055 posts)Johnny2X2X
(24,207 posts)It's spreading like wildfire right now though, even totally non political sites are talking about Trump being back in.
quickesst
(6,309 posts)Well well well... Who'd a thunk it? 🤔
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Also Charlie Sykes.
If you are from WI you know Charlie and hated him.
Now he rocks. Even Michael Steele, too.
CTyankee
(68,202 posts)She is and will be a valuable fighter in this election.
lark
(26,081 posts)I took a chance and watched some of her show yesterday and saw nothing offensively anti-Biden for the first time in awhile. I think she's plenty smart, just got scared because she's in a double journalist household. She willl definitely, along with the other liberal media, be targets if tcf steals this next election. He could never win in a fair fight so fights dirty and cheats all the time.
quickesst
(6,309 posts)but for the longest time all I heard was "Joe scum", and the voices that agreed with it. I thought I was petty then
, and I still think it's petty.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)quickesst
(6,309 posts)Not knowing the details of his transformation, I would rather believe it was an awakening to the danger Donald Trump and his ilk posed. I suspect he would still be a republican had this false cheeto idol not reared its ugly head.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Mika was the one who began pointing out problems with trump. This is why many people quit watching Joe.
Thats why his show is filled with ex republicans.
Recently I began watching more and some shows have been the bomb.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)Seriously, though, I dont think its going to be that close. I think Biden will have a bigger win than last time. The days of landslides are over, but Biden will win solidly.
liberalla
(11,089 posts)and the further tightening of laws re:women's bodies and health, plus the increasing threat from the radical, rabid RW Supreme Court ‐‐----- and of course... DEMOCRACY!
People will find the only logical, reasonable choice is BIDEN!
(and he'll win by a healthy convincing margin)
et tu
(2,387 posts)you know that i should now, so good so good
cause i've got you'- joe!
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)Why would we get rid of him? FDR saved us from Fascism, Joe will too.
PortTack
(35,820 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)karin_sj
(1,370 posts)Glad to see Mika and Joe are using their platform to do what needs to be done right now. I think MSNBC ratings will start to really demonstrate which shows are watched (Lawrence's, Joy's, Katy Phang's and Mika & Joe) and those whose ratings are dropping like a rock (Alex W, Chris, etc., and all the morning shows). Not sure yet where Nicolle and Rachel will land in all this... I hope they pivot to doing all they can to save our democracy and get off the step down frenzy. And their guests too. I'm looking at you John Heillman, Clare McCaskill, Tim Miller, and so many others.
samnsara
(18,767 posts)...and even then it was somehow touted as a + for trump. BUT im glad to read this as i check out DU for anything that needs my attn on tv.
ok, going back to Bones-a-thon....
Katinfl
(816 posts)Don't tune in but I get bits and pieces in the morning. They seem to be the only ones, besides Lawrence, who supports Biden as the nominee. Nicolle is OK, but lately she seems to be supporting nominating someone else. I have pretty much stopped listening to MSNBC altogether because of these views. I'm hoping their ratings go in the toilet because of this.
happy feet
(1,279 posts)w/Lawrence who never veered from Biden..push back against the other commentators and Dem elites.
ScubaSteve
(120 posts)So sick of listening to all the other fucks backing out on Joe.
Go Joe and Mika!
Rocknation
(45,006 posts)Good thing he a had good running mate to turn to...
Rocknation
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)happy feet
(1,279 posts)Thanks for watching and reporting since I haven't watched any MSNBC (or other stations) since the day after the debate EXCEPT for Lawrence ODonnell and occasionally Michael Steele who have been clear eyed, thoughtful and never veered from Biden.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)LexVegas
(6,959 posts)Progressive dog
(7,603 posts)of natural causes. Donald Trump is still pushing a conspiracy theory about it.
chia
(2,817 posts)newsletters from Heather Cox Richardson and Joyce Vance and other analysts I trust. Talking Points Memo, DU of course.
Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)Joe is working his ass off while orange whale doing nothing but playing golf. Makes me fucking sick!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,713 posts)SamuelTheThird
(1,152 posts)They think he should be replaced