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[LonePirate]

1. Why do people ignore Harris as the obvious replacement?

It’s plain as day to me that she would be the de facto nominee if Biden chooses not to run. Are people just forgetting that we currently have a Democratic VP in office right now?

[edisdead]

3. So then why does Biden have to step down?

She is the VP.

[Walleye]

6. Exactly I don't understand this push. She's already on the ticket.

[ITAL]

14. Because people don't really vote for VP

I mean they should always keep it in the back of their mind (especially this year given the two Presidential candidates' ages), but most don't. So, the "average Joe or Jane" voter doesn't see this as between Trump/Vance and Biden/Harris....they see this between someone who has no morals and someone who has no brain left. it's not fair, especially given how sharp Biden is, but that's how it is perceived.

[edisdead]

25. Oh I think our current Vp is part of the reason for the call

I think that for whatever reasons (some racist, some sexist) that Kamala being the successor to Biden is a very big part of the push.

[ITAL]

37. Perhaps for some

My in-laws, who a year ago rolled their eyes when I brought up Harris as an alternative to Biden, now are begging for Harris instead. I think some people just want something different no matter what. And I love my Mother-in-Law, but some people just throw in the whole Trump era as the same. She literally thought Biden and Trump went at each other in 2016 too...so this would be their third time running against each other. Plenty of folks are just sick of how intertwined they seem to be and want a total break.


Personally, i still think Biden is the best shot --- but people like my in-laws sometimes give me pause with that sentiment.

[edisdead]

59. Got it.

The thread doesn’t really apply to you other than someone would have to convince you as well and I have yet to see anyone put forth a convincing argument that he should be replaced by a named person other than Kamala.

[Biophilic]

76. I have to agree. I have friends who are leery of a woman.

Yup, they are both women. I don't get it either. But they say they will vote for Joe, although they think he is too old, but they aren't sure they'll vote for Kamala. Like I said, I don't get it, but their response is that this country isn't ready for a woman president. Like I said, I don't get it either and they won't discuss it. I don't want to make them angry enough not to vote for anyone so I don't push too hard.

[HUAJIAO]

117. " I have to agree. I have friends who are leery of a woman."

Because men have done such a great job as world leaders.

[Biophilic]

136. Good grief. No.

Their great job got us this mess.

[RobinA]

85. I Agree

I'm not a big Harris fan, but I have no trouble with her as Pres. if Biden kicks. I'd take her over Trump, Vance, Trump and Vance, it doesn't much matter.

[LonePirate]

9. You posted the hypothetical and asked people to name names.

I simply asked why people are forgetting that she exists. I never once called on Biden to drop out.

[edisdead]

26. Right you hijacked the thread

[LonePirate]

33. Stating the obvious is hijacking a thread?

[edisdead]

62. Thread wasn't asking that.

It literally said convince me… Your reply wasn’t in that vein.

I just want to hear the resident “Step Down” folks make a convincing argument starting with who should replace him.

That angered folks for some reason. Odd.

[LonePirate]

72. Your subject line included these exact words "Give me one fucking name."

So yes, your thread was indeed asking that. As such, I gave you the obvious name.

Now you’re asking for a new VP name. Why not Shapiro who is riding a massive wave of support in PA or Buttigieg who is arguably the best communicator and debater in the entire Cabinet?

[edisdead]

94. It said convince me and START with the name.

[BComplex]

113. Well, it just further looks like this thread was flame bait from the first, so if someone is flaming,

go figure! This is obviously a large issue with DU, and some threads seem to be eliciting discussion, while others seem to be starting fights.

I seriously doubt if that's due to an oversight.

[Envirogal]

45. Whoa, that was unnecessary.

She didn’t highjack the thread and she didn’t say for Biden to drop out. Harris would be the only likely alternative. But most know she cannot get elected with this pervasive culture we are still in..

I agree with you, there is no one that can do better in polling and enthusiasm than Joe. That ship sailed a year ago. Now it’s time to coalesce and support Biden and stop Trump and this nonsense of a circular firing squad determined to sabatoge and distract with all of this media hand wringing.

Focus on winning doubters back!

[edisdead]

66. Yes. Not trying to be rude to her.

But that is hijacking a thread. It literally called for those here asking for Joe to step down to provide a convincing argument, and to do so bu first naming the name.

The thread didn’t apply to her. I didn’t mean anything nasty by it.

[Doodley]

132. Aggression isn't helpful.

[FHRRK]

61. I don't think Lone Pirate had the intent of hijacking thread

Just that Harris is the obvious (AND ONLY) option.

Now is someone is suggesting Harris replace Biden at the top of the ticket, then that will become a shit show.

Pukes will immediately start pushing for Biden to retire immediately. Slamming Harris for NOT being a leader if she doesn't push for Biden to resign.

IF WE HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING IN THE LAST MONTH,... this will be the media's sole focus, to get Biden to retire, while criticizing Harris!

Then repukes will make the transition from Biden/Harris to Harris/TBD an issue by taking it to court that funds can't be tranferred. They will judge shop and get it stopped in a lower court, then the appeal process, then to the Supremes. So basically a cloud of uncertainty through election day.

All the while the media will report, "the Democrats' did this to themselves.

[edisdead]

68. Once again and I don't mean to be rude.

I was asking for those that think he should step down to convince me that he should by naming the name of who they think should replace him.

So far nobody has given a name other than Harris. And from there I asked the next question, who would be her running mate. Then how does her being selected change how people feel about the primary being cast aside.

[FHRRK]

93. It's a discussion board

Inhale, becuase I think you are creating division with people who likely agree with you.

the whole fucking thing is a trap to allow the media to focus on Dems in dissaray for the rest of the election, rather than focus on the bat shit crazy repukes.

As I stated, making any change will be a shit show that removes focus from how much people dislike repuke ideas.

IMO, it is way too late to having these discussions. If some Corp Dems can't get in board then they will be the issue.

[aggiesal]

146. Here's the beauty of Harris as VP ...

1) ThE GOP won't attack her, they'll go after Biden.
2) If Biden doesn't make it through his second term, God forbid, Harris take over anyway.

Then she becomes the incumbent and she can sit in the Oval Office for up to 10 years.

[Bettie]

11. If she were an acceptable caniddate to the money people

there wouldn't be an issue.

But she's not the one the donor class wants.

And there is no plan whatsoever.

[shrike3]

22. The knives are already being sharpened for her.

Axios reporter already said, "Kamala Harris has a lot to answer for" regarding Joe in the ticket. That's the direction they're going in: If Kamala has to take Joe's place, then Joe must be incompetent: What did she know, and when did she know it? If she's the replacement she'd better be ready, and so should the party.

[Irish_Dem]

27. Exactly. There is an automatic replacement.

No fuss, no muss.

[Deek1935]

60. Oh, so just "poof in" a replacement and don't the voters a say? Is the Dem party now a dictatorship?

[edisdead]

69. I think Irish was meaning after the election.

[Alpeduez21]

70. It's a little disingenuous to claim the voters had a say

in picking Biden. In my state there was no primary just Biden. This “we all picked Biden as the candidate” is simply a reflection of the fact there has been no choice. Comparable to some authoritarian countries with a very limited choice for leader. This is not a condemnation against Biden but more of a condemnation against the lack of options for choosing our candidate

[edisdead]

97. it is a national election.

Once you secure enough votes you have the win.

Same as any election. If my county voted different from the rest of the counties for governor in my state it doesn’t change the fact that the person with the most votes won.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

130. Our primary in Florida was cancelled. That a lot of people.

At least give us a chance to vote for Biden and show support.

[Irish_Dem]

71. Hi Deek, how ya doing?

One of my favorite newer members.

[bullimiami]

30. A brilliant, very qualified and experienced VP btw.

[ms liberty]

35. Do you really have to ask?

Many of the same people who are so "concerned" about Joe are also of the opinion we should dump Kamala too, and just start over from scratch.

Let's all think about why, and me, the old white southern chick? I'll just wait right here...

[Deek1935]

39. She is behind Biden. Voters would want a SAY. TONS of people would say "SHE CAN'T WIN!" for a host of reasons.

[we can do it]

82. Because she's a big part of their problem with Biden's age, a woman of color. Sickening

[edisdead]

99. This is true.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

86. Because she's already on the ticket

If something happens to Biden she takes over.

[onecaliberal]

115. Gender and skin color. I hope the women in this country are taking note.

[MistakenLamb]

124. because this party harbors deep resentment against black voters

[Butterflylady]

147. Because, she will lose.

Don't get me wrong, she is great, but there are others on the ballot, like Kennedy and such. Also, there are never trumpers, independents, and a lot new voters we can get. If we change now we will lose.

They know Biden, but they really don't know much about Harris.

I don't want to go in an interment camp and you don't want to either.

[edisdead]

5. So no name.

Good job.

[Kaleva]

28. Continue to talk tough while hiding behind fake name

[edisdead]

36. Talk tough?

How am I talking tough?

Strange Non-reply again.

I do have it right yeah? You want Biden to step down but are offering no suggestions on replacement?

[Kaleva]

49. You telling people to shut the fuck up

A typical statement made by a keyboard commando

[edisdead]

74. And a typical response to people that get offended by the word fuck

Don’t try to make me out to be someone making threats on the internet because that is NOT who I am.

I swear a lot in life. So what?

Now who is your name for replacing Joe. Cinvince me that he should be replaced and who would step in. If Kamala who would her running mate be. Convince me that they can win and how they bring a winning team that Joe cannot.

[lees1975]

4. The question shouldn't be to name someone, it should be who is behind keeping this crap going.

Someone obviously considers that Biden is likely to win and is doing everything they can to manipulate it the other way. Let's see, who would that be?

[Walleye]

7. Putin

[edisdead]

10. Meh do we believe Putin has gotten to schiff?

Perhaps by way of media or donors but it doesn’t make sense to me.

Of Schiff really believes this he needs to provide a name or names of people who could pick up the torch. Otherwise his opinion is bullshit.

[Walleye]

16. Putin is behind Trump, everything done in Trump's name is probably approved by Putin

I’m just realizing that Russia’s dictator knows a hell of a lot more about American politics than a lot of Americans who have participated in it

[Deek1935]

48. Schiff killed his own credibility saying "Another candidate would be WAY ahead right now." That is beyond STUPID!

There is ZERO evidence, even in the polls that some people here love so much, that ANY other candidate would be WAY ahead. It is ultra STUPID to make such a claim and shows how empty headed he is. It is a polarized electorate. If Trump committed murder he'd still be getting 46% to 48% of the vote. It is just where we are. How can he be that DUMB?

[redstatebluegirl]

142. Schiff wants to be the nominee.

He is an ambitious sort.

[Attilatheblond]

12. EXACTLY!

And, does anybody know anyone who precipitated is said polling?

[Kaleva]

31. People like the OP keep this thing going.

[edisdead]

40. Nope and you still havent replied.

First, I am not in the media nor am I of particular note that the media would cover me.

I am firmly a Biden voter and have been.

You on the other hand were irked by my post asking for people who want Biden to step down to provide a name. That wasn’t me that got irked by my post. It was You for some reason.

Do you have a name for his replacement?

If not then why reply to the post?

[Kaleva]

53. You are not my boss

And I routinely reply to those I think are full of themselves.

It's entertaining.

[edisdead]

78. So insults.

Got it.

Do you think Joe needs to step down? Who is your replacement choice.

I get pretty worked up about people trying to choose for me and throw away my vote.

Who is your choice?

[Irish_Dem]

32. This is what I want to know. Who is pulling the strings?

Who is behind all of this?

Billionaires who don't like Joe's economic polices?
Helping out the little people?

Putin?

[haele]

57. Big Donors. They run in the same circles. They do business together.

Forgive me, you folks who work hard in those same circles to get donations, but it is true. Abigail Disney goes to the same events that Alice Walton goes to. Their financial advisors are the same.
The CEOs and executives in their charities are pretty much politically flexible interchangeable. Their public affairs people, their legal advisors, all their professional staff are all supposed to be agnostic to the politics outside doing their jobs.
So when those people, whose jobs it is to make sure they get as much money ROI on the sheets at years end tell their wealthy donor, "Biden is going to hurt our bottom line this year, we have to find someone more business friendly so we can fund our [Specialty Disease] Research Charity, Geriatric Hospital Wing or Inner city Arts Center", they're going to want someone that won't hurt pet their projects.
Oddly enough, it seems like the wealthy donors tend to think of politicians as fungible. I could almost agree, seeing politicians come and go depending on the will of the majority of regional voters.
So long as the policies remain somewhat stable, it would be easy to see where someone used to having the final input as to the hiring and firing of top personnel to match their vision of their investment direction might think they have a final say in whom they are going to fund beyond the results of the voters choice in the primary.

Haele

[Bev54]

140. I think it Axelrod and his clan. He has been against Biden for a very long time

[Botany]

8. Joe has all the votes/delegates he needs to be the nominee ....

…. and he has said that he is not dropping out so he will be our man in 2024. End of story.

[Autumn]

13. Kamala Harris? Or is that a fucking worthless opinion?

[Walleye]

17. I would love to see her as president, but Joe doesn't need to step aside, she's already on the ticket

[edisdead]

19. She is on the ticket. There is no need for Joe to drop out.

By saying Harris you are telling me that Joe isn’t fit to be president at the moment.

Is that your opinion?

If you name Kamala that is already ON the ticket you need to name her VP choice.

[Autumn]

23. Leading Democrats are calling for Biden to step down. You think it's going to stop?

Harris is the logical one to step in if Joe steps down.

[edisdead]

43. Ok who is her VP

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In my post I said START with a name. I am not convinced because naming her the replacement means she has to puck a VP.

Convince me.

For some reason my post irked you. Why?

[Mossfern]

116. I think

that a lot of people are misunderstanding you.
Your point is exactly the one I bring up when people opine that Biden should step down.
It's a little late in the game - by a couple of years. The Party should have been grooming someone
if they didn't want Biden.

[Funtatlaguy]

126. She would pick former NC GOV Cooper or KY GOV Beshear.

[SCantiGOP]

141. Your post has irked a lot of people

Because it is bombastic and pretentious.
As RBG said:
“Fight for the things you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you.”

[Mad_Machine76]

20. What about HER VP?

[Autumn]

24. I would think she would select a VP. nt

[Mad_Machine76]

42. Of course she would

but does that cause issues with ballot access? Why don't the people who want Biden to stand aside have a viable plan all ready to go?

[Autumn]

77. You should call any of the 19 or 20 elected Democrats who are calling

for Biden to stepdown and ask them if they have a viable plan all ready to go. That's their job.

[edisdead]

81. Are you calling for Joe to step down?

If so who is your choice and how do they win. Convince me.

[Mad_Machine76]

92. They don't seem to reaalize

They have called Biden to resign without gaming the whole thing out, which is totally ridiculous.

[Autumn]

96. Maybe they have the whole thing planned out and they are just getting

enough on board.

[Doc Sportello]

125. Enough on board right up until November?

By then or before Biden will have been damaged enough by people in his own party he won't stand a chance.The problem here is we have have elites in our party and in the media who think they are smarter than they really are. And some regular folks who think they are right. History has shown they are quite often wrong.

[edisdead]

46. Ok who is that going to be?

Once again I said start with a name. And I said convince me. Who would be her running mate. How does her being named the replacement undemocratically affect whatever polling shows for her.

Convince me that you want Biden replaced with her.

If you don’t then why reply to the thread?

[Autumn]

73. Whoever she wants to chose. I think Pete Buttigieg would be good.

It's a discussion forum I can reply to any thread I wish to. No I do not want Biden replaced, I do not think Harris can win against Trump, and I would never waste my time trying to convince a closed mind of anything.

Have a nice day.

[edisdead]

83. So why did you reply?

If it didn’t apply to you why did you reply?

[Autumn]

88. Because I can and I'm opinionated. nt .

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[edisdead]

102. But you haven't even addressed the post at all.

The post literally called for people to convince me that Joe should drop out and to name a name of who would take his place.

You don’t believe he should drop out but are vehemently arguing in favor of those that would force him out?

[Autumn]

121. You forgot to change your OP. I did suggest a VP for Harris. Pete Buttigieg.

[flamingdem]

15. Does Adam Schiff think he'll run for Potus in 2028?

Rumors only but at least there's some logic there. Also, some connection to Steve Schmidt with his the use of "pass the torch".

[Irish_Dem]

34. How do you run for president after tearing up your party during

a crucial election?

[Harker]

44. Especially if losing that election could mean the de facto end of that party...

At least we know what Trumpsky means when he speaks of "unity."

[Irish_Dem]

47. And the end of democracy.

Seems like a risky gamble to me.
But what do I know.

[Harker]

56. You know plenty, and you know the stakes.

We'll need all the oars in the water.

[Irish_Dem]

91. Yep it is pedal to the metal or we lose it all.

[Klarkashton]

87. Easy. He knows he'd be guaranteed a huge soap box

As defacto loyal opposition. All the free press he could ever dream about.

[edisdead]

103. Sems will never ever get all the free press

We barely get any press. Ever.

[Klarkashton]

107. If trump was elected they would be looking for man bites

Dog stories.

[JustAnotherGen]

79. He's disqualified himself

With me.

[FakeNoose]

104. Doubtful

He's running for Senator in California this year. If he wins (and I hope he does) he'll still be in his first term as Senator 2028. Most candidates want to notch up a successful re-election before jumping into the Big Show - running for President, that is.

I believe Adam Schiff might be thinking about it for the future, but not 2028.

[shrike3]

18. I've said this elsewhere: the party leadership has to s$#t or get off the pot.

This endless leaking is not helping.

[wryter2000]

21. Most Biden-should-step-aside types have realized

that Biden is going to be the nominee. Period. Nothing is accomplished by putting him down.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

29. Millions voted for Joe Biden to be our candidate. Voter disenfranchisement is what the GOP does.

[Goodheart]

38. I suggest nobody respond to this trap.

[edisdead]

50. Whatvtrap are you talking about?

If someone believes that Biden should be replaced I would love to hear them name a name and convince me that he should do it.

Come on out and say it.

Is it a trap for me to ask people to convince me of their plan?

[pwb]

41. That is quit a choice you give us?

No puke can beat Joe. Lots of Democrats could beat trump.

[edisdead]

52. Name one.

Donyou think Joe should be replaced? If not, why reply to the thread? It doesn’t even apply to you so why reply.

If you do think he should be replaced “Lots of Dems” isn’t an answer. Name one.


So far in this thread I see 1 name. Kamala. Thats it.

[pwb]

55. I did any Democrat.

You think you can just run over people here with demands. You sensationalize Trump with this question.

[edisdead]

89. Oh sure.

So you have no argument against the best option (and best president in my lifetime)

Joe needs every single one of us on our game and putting as much effort in as we can. I will wear holes in the soles of my shoes from here until election walking and knocking on doors. Join me in that effort.

So if you think Joe needs to be replaced, Pipe up and lets hear your plan other than “Lots of Dems” because that ain’t cutting it.

[pwb]

105. You don't know me.

You don't know anyone here if you think they want Joe replaced. Last time I kick this crap up. See ya.

[HPM]

51. Biden has made it abundantly clear that he

is in it to win it. Instead of rallying around him like the Repukes do with their nominee, there’s an endless stream of Biden should step down. Enough already. The election is less than four months away. The Dems need to quit their whining and get about the business of getting Biden re-elected. There’s way too much at stake for this to continue.

[edisdead]

54. Well exactly and we have them right here.

Some in this thread.

If you don’t think he needs ti be replaced then the thread doesn’t really apply.

So far nobody has come up with a name other than Harris who would need to name a VP.

I asked to be convinced by these people. But they cannot do it.

If you can’t convince a fellow DUer of your choice how are you going to convince the nation to elect them?

[lark]

58. Reich wing legislators have said they would not approve of any VP for Harris.

They are 100% set on rat fucking, one way or another.

[mamacita75]

63. Done!

Kamala is ALREADY on the ticket.

[Jean Genie]

64. Step down

Adam Schiff

I just read that. Maybe it's BS - I hope it is. But why is anyone especially Democrats - trying to stir the pot and kick Joe out at this late date?

[edisdead]

111. Well that is my question.

Ok so not exactly my question but it is in the spirit of my post.

I would have loved to see someone answer credibly instead of vague answers. The perhaps those criticizing me could have directed their ire towards them to actually be able to puck apart why that wouldn’t work.


See the reason that the propaganda effort works is because their isn’t a way to deconstruct it. It is just a vague feeling that is put upon people and they have no way to work through it. As you can see in this thread, joe has to go. There is no replacement other than generic democrat. Well that isn’t the way a presidential campaign works. At least not in this country.

So indeed as I said in my original post…. STFU about it. People get all upset about someone saying that. With the feelings if “We have to have conversations about it”, and people need to be able to express their thoughts”.

No. No they don’t if they cannot get detailed and explain a real plan with specifics. Our democracy is on the line. Our kids future is on the line. How comfortable and dignified we live out the rest of our days is on the line. I cannot sit by and listen to “Any democrat can beat trump” We saw in 2016 one of the lost qualified people ever to run didn’t beat him. So yeah I am looking for a specific damned plan.

Sorry I know a lot of this reply wasn’t ultimately directed at you specifically.

[GiqueCee]

65. I have noting but contempt...

... for those doubling down on their demand that Biden step aside. They KNOW the circumstances of his shaky performance in that pointless dog-and-pony show, and they continue to ignore Trump's endless lies, but he's back full strength now, so WTF? He's the best president we've had in my pretty long lifetime, and he's STILL doing a great job, so damn those treacherous DINOs to hell.

[johnnyplankton]

67. Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, Mayor Pete...it's not that hard.

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[emulatorloo]

101. Thanks johnny for making suggestions. Great for 2028. Whitmer and Newsome both behind Biden 100% for 2024 though.

Assume Secretary Pete is the same.

[SunSeeker]

109. None of those 3 poll better than Biden. And there is no "e" at the end of Newsom.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/majority-of-americans-dont-want-biden-as-the-democratic-candidate-but-he-hasnt-lost-ground-to-trump-poll-says

[johnnyplankton]

131. Thanks for correcting me. I thought we were always told to ignore the polls?

[SunSeeker]

145. People who want Biden to step down are justifying it by pointing to polls.

So if you are going to judge Biden by his poll numbers, you should be consistent and judge any potential replacement the same way.

[obamanut2012]

133. It cannot be Newsom, unless we want to give away all of CA's EC votes

[LAS14]

144. Why is that? nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

149. Newsom can't run with Harris on the ticket is the main reason

Can’t be from the same state.

[MustLoveBeagles]

75. This hasn't been settled yet?

Joe isn't dropping out.

[timms139]

80. We already have

a replacement in our vp. These whiners need to get behind Joe and win this election . If later on something happens we have a replacement to take care of that without an election or replacing a great president at a time when our country needs him the most .

[we can do it]

84. Thank you - fuck this shit and fuck it now.

[regnaD kciN]

90. UNICORN/SASQUACH '24!!!

An easy win for Dems!

[surfered]

118. I've driven miles thru Sasquatch country and never seen one.

[NowsTheTime]

95. Dems opposing Biden are problem that needs to go away...Biden's iterviews, speeches since debate have been great!

[SomedayKindaLove]

137. Some leaders in the party are panicking

Which IMO doesn’t speak well of them as politicians or leaders. Perhaps they should book appointments with their therapists if their anxiety is tweaking instead of trying to stage another coup? If the dissenters would spend as much time trying to get people registers to vote as they are sabotaging the process they’d be doing us all a favor.

Furthermore, if Biden stays in the race and God forbid loses, how will we know if it’s his fault? Maybe Biden will lose because too many in the party doubted him as a leader and that mentality spread to the electorate.

And lastly, not one of the other candidates have been vetted as a Presidential candidate. Their name might look good on a piece of paper, but a slip early they could be done. Buttigieg received 2.5%
of the primary vote in 2020, Biden 51.6%. Harris was polling so low she dropped out of the race before Iowa, so she received 0% of the vote, completely untested in any national election.

Let’s face it, like it or not, Biden is the most battle tested candidate the Democrats have. Asking an untested, unvetted candidate to run a 4 months campaign against a former incumbent seems horribly reckless to me.

[VMA131Marine]

98. I don't think Biden should drop out ...

I think it will be a disaster if he does …

But I’ll give you a name: Gavin Newsome

[obamanut2012]

134. You cannot even spell his name right -- come on

And, do you want to give away all of CA's EC votes? Because you will, unless you want Harris gone, too.

[Aepps22]

100. I Just Want to Win

I believe and will continue to believe that Joe Biden is our best chance to win. It disgusts me how disloyal many in the party are when Joe didn’t even want this job but he ran and saved this country. These congressmen and congresswomen have direct access to Joe. If they want him to drop out state your case to him with a viable alternative and stop running to the media which will ultimately use it to hurt Joe or whomever is next to project the “Dems in Disarray” narrative. Joe has been a success by almost every objective measure. He might be old but he has been the most progressive President in my lifetime which I think scares people including some on our side. I am all for our coalition having disagreements but leaking stuff to the media isn’t the way.


I will also add that Kamala has too much integrity to step in for Joe unless he decides he wants to step down. I think part of this public approach is to get her to turn on Joe which she won’t do and any VP with integrity wouldn’t either. I also know that Kamala is looking at the pressure being put on Joe and knows that the same people wanting Joe out wouldn’t hesitate to blame her if she ran and lost. No loyalty and no integrity

[surfered]

106. If Biden drops out and Kamala Harris is not the nominee, the Party could lose 23% of its voters.

[BeyondGeography]

108. Anyway

[Model35mech]

110. Carville has been the attack alligator of ONE prominent celebrity democratic family...

Two people in that family still have slots left to be able to hold the presidential office

[Hekate]

112. VP Kamala Harris is imo a great politician. But she is a woman. More than anything else, she is female.

They’ll kill her, and I mean that both figuratively and literally.

The best, most pragmatic, thing to do (again, imo) is circle the wagons around the Biden/Harris ticket and go for broke.

Understand that Joe Biden has a good team and has been doing a great job with them in place. Understand that if anything were to happen to Joe (gods forbid) Kamala would be right there to step in — which is what Vice Presidents are for.

We are in much more danger of losing the election and the country by having this public fight among ourselves at this late date. Therefore stick with the team and make sure they get stay in the White House.

[A Physicist]

119. Gretchen Whitmer

Harris remains on ticket as Whitmer's VP

[SunSeeker]

148. She does not poll better than Biden, and it's too late to get her on the ballot.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/majority-of-americans-dont-want-biden-as-the-democratic-candidate-but-he-hasnt-lost-ground-to-trump-poll-says

Link to tweet

[TheProle]

120. No one is sure how this will all go down

But I can tell you this: all this "shut the fuck up" / "step in line" / "bedwetter" shit will not age well, regardless of where we end up.

[A Physicist]

122. Bet That

Blue MAGA

[MistakenLamb]

123. the ONLY name is Harris

any other Democrat will be a reckoning of the ages against the party. Black voters are more than just fucking mules . If you dont trust a black woman at the top you don’t deserve their votes

[tavernier]

127. Can't be Harris. Country won't vote for a black woman.

There are lots of good names but they will be ripped to shreds right out of the starting gate. Not by republicans, but by ourselves.

Just my opinion, but i would put money on it.

[Smackdown2019]

128. Tom Hanks

[Xavier Breath]

138. He had me at Bosom Buddies. n/t

[snot]

129. Imho, one thing this episode shows is

that the DNC needs to build up its bench, with people who can actually win votes.

[Dave Bowman]

135. FDR's ghost.

[elleng]

139. NO WAY.

and getting disgusted with Dem's circular firing squad.

Going OUT for a bit.

[Traurigkeit]

143. So many scared of a woman that is also black, pushing ALL her abilities/accomplishments under a rug ... so...