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I am curious to know what you think should or could happen instead of Biden at the top of the ticket Walleye Jul 17 #1
And what's your proposed alternative? Elessar Zappa Jul 17 #2
I think in these particular situations, data driven conclusions Torchlight Jul 17 #3
There is no data that could possibly BootinUp Jul 17 #11
I agree, I would prefer Kamala Harris budkin Jul 17 #4
Post removed Post removed Jul 17 #5
Honestly, if one's goal is to shake things up, that would do it. Kick GOPers in balls. GOPer men have been running this Silent Type Jul 17 #7
Haven't we sort of been encouraged here piddyprints Jul 17 #6
???? This is supposed to be a discussion site. LAS14 Jul 17 #12
The primaries are over. piddyprints Jul 17 #22
Apparently some people don't think terms of service apply to them NT AZSkiffyGeek Jul 17 #18
Apparently not. n/t piddyprints Jul 17 #20
There is a tool to address that BannonsLiver Jul 17 #24
Of course. piddyprints Jul 17 #26
Thanks Miami Blue Jul 17 #8
A rider with Biden. Squeaky41 Jul 17 #9
Overruling the nearly unanimous Democratic primary vote for Biden is almost guaranteed to lost *everything* unblock Jul 17 #10
Give us a name lame54 Jul 17 #13
What's wrong with Kamala? democrattotheend Jul 17 #15
I'm already voting for her lame54 Jul 17 #17
But wouldn't you be excited to vote for her at the top of the ticket? democrattotheend Jul 17 #19
If you'd be equally happy... lame54 Jul 17 #21
She's already on the ticket. n/t piddyprints Jul 17 #27
You don't think that would create rage-voters on the right? Think. Again. Jul 17 #28
I'm honestly torn (and have been afraid to say it) democrattotheend Jul 17 #14
Post removed Post removed Jul 17 #16
I believe if we lose... lame54 Jul 17 #23
I don't. lees1975 Jul 17 #25

Walleye

(33,789 posts)
1. I am curious to know what you think should or could happen instead of Biden at the top of the ticket
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:34 PM
Jul 17

And how we even get there.

Torchlight

(4,078 posts)
3. I think in these particular situations, data driven conclusions
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:37 PM
Jul 17

have a better success rate than faith-based assertions. I'd love to see the data concluding better choices are available and should be made immediately, but no is supplying it.

BootinUp

(48,300 posts)
11. There is no data that could possibly
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:45 PM
Jul 17

Justify this. I don’t give a rats ass what Schiff says. 4 months to go and Biden is arguably ahead. Someone tell Schiff to go work on increasing turnout in his state.

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Silent Type

(5,410 posts)
7. Honestly, if one's goal is to shake things up, that would do it. Kick GOPers in balls. GOPer men have been running this
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:40 PM
Jul 17

country in the ground since forever.

piddyprints

(14,734 posts)
6. Haven't we sort of been encouraged here
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:37 PM
Jul 17

to put this issue to bed and get behind our candidate? The primaries are over. Joe Biden is our candidate.

piddyprints

(14,734 posts)
26. Of course.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:25 PM
Jul 17

I thought perhaps a little common sense persuasion would be a better idea to start with. Clearly, I have failed.

Miami Blue

(138 posts)
8. Thanks
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:40 PM
Jul 17
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polling-Florida-swing-states-1925789

President Biden can even defeat
Traitor Trump here in Florida💪🏻

The naysayers' Democrats need to stop the
spread of the propaganda and falsehoods
broadcasted on the Media ASAP.



unblock

(53,858 posts)
10. Overruling the nearly unanimous Democratic primary vote for Biden is almost guaranteed to lost *everything*
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:44 PM
Jul 17

How do you think gotv efforts will fare after the party gives a big f u to its members?

A ton of democrats will then sit it out or maybe vote for the brain worm guy as a protest.

Only two times has an incumbent party rejected the incumbent as nominee and managed to win with someone else: Buchanan and Garfield, both ancient history. And both of them had run vigorous and popular primary campaigns.

You want to hand the nomination to someone who merely maybe worked a back room deal and has zero campaign infrastructure or strategy or plan or personnel just 4 months before the election?

It will be an utter disaster.

Maybe someone else had a chance during primary season. But Biden won. Change horses mid stream and we will all drown.

democrattotheend

(12,006 posts)
15. What's wrong with Kamala?
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:03 PM
Jul 17

As his VP she seems like the obvious choice, but so many people seem hesitant about her and I am not sure why.

democrattotheend

(12,006 posts)
19. But wouldn't you be excited to vote for her at the top of the ticket?
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:13 PM
Jul 17

I know I would be. I will be happy to vote for Biden again but would be just as happy to vote for Kamala at the top of the ticket.

lame54

(36,307 posts)
21. If you'd be equally happy...
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:17 PM
Jul 17

Why waste precious time on this asinine argument

Plus they are jumping on this as a huge talking point

Why are we handing this to them

Think. Again.

(15,120 posts)
28. You don't think that would create rage-voters on the right?
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:29 PM
Jul 17

Wh not just stick with Biden if you think he'll be unable to complete his term?

democrattotheend

(12,006 posts)
14. I'm honestly torn (and have been afraid to say it)
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:02 PM
Jul 17

I wish he had decided not to run again, which was his original plan (he strongly implied as much himself in his recent BET interview). He's done a great job and he deserves another term, but watching him over the past few weeks, I can't deny how much the presidency has aged him. I do believe he is still "all there" mentally, but he seems old and weak and unfortunately, perception is reality in American politics. I watched his interview with Lester Holt and his press conference and even though his answers were great on substance, he still just seemed old and tired and not nearly as sharp as he did in his debate against Paul Ryan in 2012 or even in the 2020 campaign. Most Democrats will still vote for him but they aren't excited about him (so may not turn out as much, donate as much, volunteer as much, etc.), and concerns about whether he will still be up for the job in four years will probably influence at least some swing voters.

On the other hand, I think switching candidates now is a big risk, especially if Biden does not go willingly, as it seems he won't. It would divide the party, especially since it seems that at least some influential people want to skip over the person we nominated four years ago to be his successor to the presidency. I think swapping out Biden with anyone but Kamala would be divisive, and while I personally would be really excited to vote for her, she seems to be not that popular either for reasons I don't understand. And she is far less well tested and experienced than Biden. I think there is a lot of risk but potentially more upside for a replacement candidate - higher ceiling but lower floor. It may be a risk worth taking if Biden's poll numbers don't increase in the next couple weeks. And make no mistake, being only 2 points down or even tied in the national polls is not good enough - he probably needs to win the national popular vote by at least 4 points to win the electoral college, and that doesn't even factor in the fact that Biden in 2020 and Hillary in 2016 did worse against Trump than the polls predicted.

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lees1975

(5,063 posts)
25. I don't.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 03:22 PM
Jul 17

And all that continuously bringing it up will do is help Trump win.

Is that what you want? I answered your question, you answer mine.

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