Schumer and Jefferies delay nomination process

[angrychair]

Per ABC News.

BREAKING: Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries pushed the party to delay its nominating process, multiple sources tell ABC News.

This comes after Schumer met privately with Pres. Biden on Saturday in Rehoboth, Delaware. Following the meeting, Schumer only described it as a "good meeting."

A bunch of racist billionaires are trying to disenfranchise 14 million Democratic voters that have already chosen their candidate.

It's starting to feel like the Party is imploding and I am sick to my stomach. If they kick Biden off the ticket we will lose, especially so if they kick VP Harris off as well. This is a fucking nightmare. I cannot believe the Democratic Party is doing this.

Reference: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/2024-election-campaign-updates/?id=111816443&entryId=112034588

[SunSeeker]

1. OMFG

[live love laugh]

2. W T F ‼️‼️‼️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️

[GoCubsGo]

3. OH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

WHAT THE EVER-LOVING FUCK ARE YOU GUYS DOING????

[onandup]

4. It was a request

The nominating process has not been stopped

[angrychair]

10. Per the article it has been delayed

I didn't say it, the article did.

[democrattotheend]

53. As it should be

Given that it was moved up due to an Ohio deadline that is no longer an issue. I wish they had cancelled the virtual roll call altogether and gone back to a traditional roll call at the convention, which is way more exciting to watch and we didn't have it in 2020 due to COVID.

[dflprincess]

89. Because we cam trust Ohio Republicans not to

Try and prevent Biden from being on the ballot regardless of how the law was changed.

[kelly1mm]

181. President Biden is not counting on winning OH. WI, MI, PA, VA are his 'must wins'. Him being or not

being on the OH ballot will not effect the Presidential race at all.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

232. That is true. Ohio is not gettable.

[SomedayKindaLove]

122. Are you sure the Ohio deadline is no longer an issue?

Biden needs to be certified before August 7th.

Best I can tell DeWine signed the bill June 2nd.

In Ohio, a signed act by the governor becomes law after 90 days, which would be September 2nd, well past the certification date.

Quite possible this is wrong, perhaps the law immediately went into effect for some reason. But there seems to be plenty of good reason for Dems not to trust this Republican legislation and certify before 8/7.

[kelly1mm]

183. OH is not an obtainable state for President Biden so not being on the ballot would change nothing. nt

[dflprincess]

189. And how would not having Biden on the ballot help Sherrod Brown?

Writing off the state is not a good message to send to Ohio Democrats.

[LisaL]

195. Not being on a ballot in a large state is not a good look anyway I look at it.

Whether it is obtainable state or not.

[intheflow]

206. Way to disenfranchise OH Democrats.

[SomedayKindaLove]

231. Biden not on the ballot

Would crush down ballot elections.

[ColinC]

61. Per the article there is a request to delay. It has not been delayed.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries pushed the party to delay its nominating process, multiple sources tell ABC News.

[Traurigkeit]

66. would never believe Mass Media Services owned by Corporations

[Bucs2025]

175. Here are the remaining states. Do their votes matter? Are they actually going to do a backroom deal and select for us?

Florida: August 27, 2024
Georgia: September 3, 2024
Maine: September 10, 2024
South Carolina: September 17, 2024
Oklahoma: September 24, 2024

[BannonsLiver]

5. It doesn't look like this issue is going away anytime soon.

[Irish_Dem]

31. Yep, they are dead serious about this.

We have no idea what is going on.

[ColinC]

98. Disagree

Biden is getting nominated this month. This was a request to delay. It was not actually delayed and Schumer and Jeffries do not have that kind of power to single handedly stop it.

[Sympthsical]

6. Schiff was the neon light that Democratic leadership are pushing

Schiff is incredibly tight with Pelosi. There is no way he just leapt out on that limb all on his own.

Our leadership has been acting strangely for going on three weeks now.

How many flashing lights do people need?

I'll say it. This party's about three inches away from Fort Sumter.

This is crazy to me.

[shrike3]

7. Yep.

[BComplex]

14. This is why we have to call Schumer and Jeffries RIGHT NOW!!!

This has to stop!!!

Hakeem Jeffries [phone]

Chuck Schumer [phone]

Adam Schiff [phone]

[angrychair]

26. I already called Jefferies office

Will call Schumer shortly.

[Cha]

93. The last I heard from Jeffires was that he was

supporting Pres Biden Staying in as our Candidate!...

It's on video!

Link to tweet

[UniqueUserName]

41. I called Schumer's office

I explained I live in Alabama and am going vote for the Democratic nominee. I support Biden 100% and that our party needs to unite behind Biden.

The person answering was pleasant. I was pleasant to her . She took my zip code. That's really all I can do.

[Dawgman49]

117. How are you getting through?

I’ve tried calling Schumer , shift and Jeffries, got a recording with not even access to leaving a message

[UniqueUserName]

136. I guess I was lucky

I called Schiff but just got his voice mail. I left my name and zip code and that I wasn't from California, but if Schiff had future political aspirations, I wouldn't be supporting him in the primary unless he backed Biden and party unity this election. I did say that I would back whomever the Democratic nominee was in the GE.

[Deuxcents]

45. Called Jeffries and Schumer. We don't quit. We vote Biden-Harris and stop this madness

[madaboutharry]

50. Going to voicemail.

[BComplex]

54. You can always send an email.

That might be the best bet, anyway, who knows?

[Hieronymus Phact]

72. emails are cheap

Write an Actual Letter!
For every real letter they get they think 100 people feel the same way but didn't write.
Letters can't be ignored so easily like email can
Old-Timey snail mail letters.

[japple]

76. With the US postal service in such disarray, esp. here in Georgia, I doubt my letter would get there by

November 5. It took 36 days for a first class letter from my county to get to the next county over.

[NYFlip]

84. Emailed Schumer's office

I basically said that replacing him is reprehensible and why do we always eat our own? The republicans always unite around their candidate no matter how awful he is. I also told him I believe we would lose if he’s replaced. I doubt it matters.

[BigmanPigman]

163. I call their local offices, too.

Jeffries, NYC [phone]
Schumer, NY [phone]
Schiff, Burbank [phone]

I always tell them I am a constituent and it works 99% of the time. I have real addresses and zip codes from Zillow listings. If they detect my Phila accent I just say I used to live in Phila but moved to their district/state and kept the cell phone number.

[we can do it]

230. Just called again, Shumer's office is taking calls, left message for HJ.

[PSPS]

21. Untold millions in campaign cash has a way of getting people to behave in certain ways.

[BComplex]

47. Netanyahu.

That's where this is coming from.

[Behind the Aegis]

73. You have ANYTHING resembling proof?

[JohnSJ]

94. It is bullshit and doesn't even make sense. What is being implied is obvious though

[BComplex]

121. And what, pray tell, does that mean?

It is NOT bullshit. And the only thing that is being "implied" is what has been clearly stated. Netanyahu is a right wing war criminal. Even thousands and thousands of Israelis who have taken to the streets of Israel think so. So don't try to "imply" there is any other implication! Netanyahu wants trump in power in the USA and everyone knows it.

[JohnSJ]

128. Where is your proof bud, or is this just conspiracy nonsense associating some

“Jews” are behind trying to forcing President Biden out

Spell it out? “Your implying the Democratic leadership is taking their orders from Netanyahu, and by proxy also pushing a “Jewish” connection

Is that clear enough for you

[BComplex]

137. Oh give me a break.

Don't even go there, bud.

[wnylib]

152. Looks like you already did go there.

[BComplex]

153. No. He's insinuating I was doing something racist, which I was not. What I was saying was strictly political.

And he should know that.

[wnylib]

157. Do you really believe that Netanyahu has the power

to choose the Dem candidate?

I agree that Netanyahu would prefer Trump, but I do not believe that he has the power to control the Dem Party's selection. Not even with AIPAC.

[jpug]

158. Ahhhhhh, i get it

I'm new here and been seeing these cryptic comments all day.

About some hidden hand type shit.

I didn't connect the dots until your post.

Didn't realize people on our side believed in that shit.

Sad.

[BComplex]

108. Do you know who he wants to win this election? Trump. Not Biden. Trump.

Are you trying to act like he doesn't have plenty of operatives with a whole lot of money in the USA?

I'm kind of a 1+1=2 kind of person. Between him and Putin, we're looking at a trump presidency right now.

[Behind the Aegis]

170. So, no.

That would have been an easier, and actually accurate answer.

[DiamondShark]

185. President Biden's meeting with George Clooney.

Has no one been following the news lately?

[Behind the Aegis]

191. What does that have to do with Netanyahu trying "to fix" the American election?!

Are you implying Clooney works for Bibi?!

Or, did you mean to respond to another post?

[DiamondShark]

192. You asked for proof. Please check into the Clooney connection.

[Behind the Aegis]

196. What?! Again. You are making a claim, then YOU provide the evidence.

What the fuck does "the Clooney connection" have to do with anything?

[DiamondShark]

197. Sorry you missed the news the last couple weeks.

It's not "on me" to provide anything.

[Behind the Aegis]

200. Yes it is.

I saw the Clooney backhand bullshit, but that doesn't answer how Netanyahu is involved. So, like the other poster, you have NOTHING. I shouldn't be surprised.

[DiamondShark]

201. I'm not inclined to provide you links, exerpts, or anything elses.

Based on the way you responded and your use of expletives.

[Behind the Aegis]

202. So, you have nothing. Just baseless remarks.

Typical.

[DiamondShark]

203. Please stop. The information has been out there for weeks now.

[Behind the Aegis]

207. You first. You made a claim, that makes NO sense, then refuse to produce proof.

What does George Clooney have to do with Netanyahu controlling the US election?!

[DiamondShark]

208. Please stop.

You can look it up on google, msn, yahoo, any news site.

[Behind the Aegis]

209. YOU provide the proof. IT is YOUR claim.

[DiamondShark]

210. You have been rude to me from the start.

I have provided enough information for you to get informed on the topic.

[Behind the Aegis]

211. You made a claim and refused to back it up; that is rude.

I am already "informed" about Clooney's betrayal, what you implied, and still refuse to produce evidence for, is HOW is Clooney's betrayal and Netanyahu are connected.

And, no, I wasn't rude with my first response to speculative nonsense.

[DiamondShark]

212. Sounds like you have the answer you want.

I do not know why you continue to badger me for a source.

[Behind the Aegis]

213. Sounds like you have nothing in the way of proof.

I am not badgering you for a source, I am asking for a connection.

[DiamondShark]

214. Your mind is made up see Post 211, before you made the edit.

[Behind the Aegis]

215. I can't make up my mind...you haven't provided any proof.

How are Clooney and Netanyahu connected?

[DiamondShark]

216. The news has been out for a few weeks. I suggest you Google it.

[Behind the Aegis]

217. So nothing. Just like the other poster.

[DiamondShark]

218. It's been in the news for a while.

Not sure how you missed it.

[Behind the Aegis]

220. I saw the stories about Clooney, but NOTHING about how he is connected to Bibi running the US election.

So, if it has been out there for a while, what sites are YOU reading?!

[DiamondShark]

221. Again, your best bet is to use Google, MSN, Yahoo, another news site...

I understand it is easier to ask me, for the last 12 hours mind you, to fill in the blanks. I am not inclined to type out 5-6 paragraphs detailing the last few weeks after you were rude to me in post #196.

[Behind the Aegis]

222. I didn't ask for 5 paragraphs, I asked for a source.

You have nothing.

[DiamondShark]

223. I hope you are able to find the answer you seek.

Good day.

[Behind the Aegis]

224. So nada. Good to know after all this time.

[DiamondShark]

225. I hope you find the info.

Take care.

[Behind the Aegis]

226. Too bad you couldn't provide links to your claim.

[DiamondShark]

227. Ok.

Take care.

[Behind the Aegis]

228. I'll do my best without any proof of your claims.

[DiamondShark]

229. Sounds good.

Take care.

[brakester]

219. You are wasting space here.

I'm going to fully ignore you.

[yardwork]

82. Why? How would Biden stepping back help Netanyahu?

[Butterflylady]

110. Because Netanyahu is a fan of trumps.

He would love it if trump wins. As Biden said to Holt, where have you been.

[BComplex]

116. It would help trump win. Which is what Netanyahu wants.

Trump has already told him he'd let him do whatever he wants. Biden has been doing everything he can to help get aid to the Palestinians and still not hurt our alliance with Israel, and Netanyahu has humiliated Biden and the USA in every way he could. He is an extreme authoritarian right winger. Biden isn't. Trump is.

[yardwork]

120. I think the question is about how we best beat Trump.

[BComplex]

124. And that is to get the big money to QUIT pressuring leading Democrats to dump Biden.

That is how we can beat trump.

[Zeitghost]

130. You're dog whistle is coming in loud and clear

n/t

[BComplex]

142. You're is a contraction for "you are". Your is the word that designates possession.

If it's my or your dog whistle, you want to use "your", not you're.

[Zeitghost]

156. You're correct

And honest enough not to deny the dog whistle. Kudos.

[BComplex]

162. I totally deny the dog whistle.

And you know it. There was no dog whistle.

Stop it. Just stop it.

[Zeitghost]

178. It seems like I'm not the only one who has called you out

You need to stop with the "The Jews are controling our government and conspiring against us" schtick. It's gross.

[Irish_Dem]

33. We have to face reality.

Something is going on behind the scenes and being carefully spoon fed to the Dem base.

[StarryNite]

62. I agree.

Why are all these people turning on President Biden? President Biden is in it to win it and he's doing great! So what is really going on?

[Irish_Dem]

69. We don't know.

I am making a list of possible explanations with the help of DU members.

[StarryNite]

80. Please let us know what you come up with.

At this point the billionaire donors calling the shots seems like the most logical to me.

[Irish_Dem]

88. Here's the list so far:

(Compiled with the help of other DU members.)

Possible explanations for what seems to be going behind the scenes:

1. Unknown information about current candidate.
2. Internal polling
3. Billionaire donors are done with Joe, he is too much on the side of the regular American. Like they hated FDR.
4. Putin. All roads tend to lead back to him?

[Phoenix61]

167. I pick door number 3!

Unions have been growing under Biden and that’s the last thing business wants. They haven’t spent the last several decades doing everything in their power to kill them just to have one man bring them back to life.

[ForgedCrank]

172. I've been

watching this unfold and I have to say, now I'm actually worried.
Schumer almost surely isn't sticking his neck out solo. It stinks of a much larger divide behind the scenes than we are aware of.
I do hope these guys know what the hell they are doing because this is like playing with dynamite. There's no second chance before November.
Damn man.

[Irish_Dem]

173. Of course Schiff and Schumer are not flying solo.

Others are onboard as well, that is certain.

This is obviously a team effort and being managed very carefully.
Drip by drip.

I also believe that they have the replacement picked out and we will either
find out before the convention or during the convention.

Yes it better be a good plan b.

[ForgedCrank]

177. I don't

like this one bit. The polls are already a little better than 2 months ago, and will improve even more before November. This shit is making me very nervous and I don't like it at ALL. It just doesn't make sense. If we could just stick with the dang plan it seems like everything is going in the right direction. Slow, yes. But still the right direction.

[Irish_Dem]

182. Yes we don't know why they are doing this.

Maybe some undisclosed information about Joe.
Or internal polling numbers.

Maybe the billionaires are tired of Joe helping the regular guy.
Or PutinGOP interference.

We don't know yet.

[ForgedCrank]

188. I keep

hoping I'll wake up tomorrow and find out it was all bullshit again. I don't need this kind of let-down man. Like most others here, I have way too much invested in Biden, both monetary and emotional. I try my level best to not be an alarmist, but this has me really concerned.

[Pisces]

37. Maybe they know something we don't like internal polling of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin!!

These are state we have to carry to win. It comes down to a few votes in these states and we don’t know what they are seeing!!!!

Every Democrat is terrified of a Trump Presidency, we are not enemies on this board, just people with differing opinions. I am worried that we don’t have all of the information on Biden’s health or on the real polling. We need to get a grip and vote Dem no matter what happens!!

[Rstrstx]

154. I agree with everything (except Ohio)

The Biden campaign does not have it on the short list of states they are targeting. Of the states he lost in 2020 only NC is on the list.

But yeah, a Trump win could cause incalculable damage to the Democratic Party given the incredibly stupid decision from SCOTUS on executive immunity. We have to consider ALL options.

[kelly1mm]

186. OH is not even on the radar screen. It is ruby red now. PA WI MI VA. Those are the 4 must win states. nt

[Blue Full Moon]

102. Considering that Nancy had been told to step down for being to old.

[Tree Lady]

161. Makes me wonder if they know something

We don't medically about Joe. Why wouldn't they stay with him? They know many states are already to late to being in a new person.

I feel like the party leaders want to lose. I just don't get it. People we trusted are screwing this up.

[DiamondShark]

187. 2016 redux.

[ribrepin]

184. This my fear

Something is definitely going on.

[shrike3]

8. They'd better have a plan. They'd better have everything in place.

It'll be a shitstorm and they'd better be ready

[angrychair]

13. There is no plan

Other than to cut Biden and Harris out of the process.
I really believe that at this point. It's the billionaire donors. I believe this was their plan from the beginning. Billionaires cannot be trusted. There is no such thing as a Billionaire Democrat. They are trying to destroy our party to elect trump.

[shrike3]

15. Of course there isn't a plan. Why I keep bringing it up. No one can answer me because there is no plan.

[Pisces]

39. Why would they disclose everything now??? The element of surprise can catch our opponent off guard.

[shrike3]

44. Snort! When everything's being leaked they'll catch nobody by surprise.

[jpug]

63. Worse than no plan

Its a train wreck.

Sometimes the toughest thing to do is stay the course.

When all else around you are flailing in panic.

Get a GRIP Schumer and Jeffries!

[shrike3]

68. Yep. My optimism for this country is about gone.

[Zeitghost]

46. Am I to believe

That Schumer, Jefferies, Schiff and Pelosi are working to elect Trump?

Or do they have honest concerns about Biden's ability to win?

They may well be wrong, but option 2 is still the most reasonable position.

[Amishman]

22. Joe is the only viable plan. Anything else is suicide.

I'm so pissed off by the stupidity I am seeing that I cannot openly express on this site.

[shrike3]

23. Not according to them it's not.

[BComplex]

52. You are totally correct, Amishman! Anyone but Biden at this point is suicide.

What's more, Netanyahu knows it. Trump knows it. It's got Chris LaCivita's fingerprints all over it.

[SamuelTheThird]

174. Harris has polled better in at least 2 recent polls

The most important thing is defeating trump. NOTHING else matters

[Amishman]

176. Close enough to how Joe's polling to be within the margin of error

And current polling doesn't predict the damage caused by changing candidates, especially if the Pubs use technicalities and friendly judges to try to disrupt the process.

It's not remotely worth considering

[SamuelTheThird]

179. Well, state polling has had Biden down for months

Unless swing state polling is wrong, we will be stuck with trump. State polling was pretty accurate in 22 (red wave was a media creation). People also want someone younger, that's been a consistent finding.

I dont know what the best option is, but I think some of this has to be considered, rather than just deciding based on loyalty and emotions. This isnt just about the us, but the planet's future

[BlueTsunami2018]

30. Here's "The Plan"....

1. Joe drops out.
2. New candidate goes from hypothetical to actual, polls dip significantly (see: history).
3. Unknown VP added to ticket, DNC undoes primaries. Both candidates take full assault from RW media, and there’s little vetting time.
4. Legal challenges through corrupt courts ensure the new ticket be write-in in some states and ties up campaign cash transfer until after election.
5. Trump wins.

If step 1 happens, step 5 is inevitable.

[shrike3]

40. Yep. They don't seem to care.

I think this is about down ticket races. They think they'll lose if Joe's on the ticket, so they're pushing him out, so they'll have a better chance. Their logic, not mine. It's all they care about.

[Diraven]

51. Why this doesn't make sense to me

It assumes keeping Joe will be a drag on down ticket races, but also just assumes that even fewer will be disgruntled about having Joe forced out and just decide not to vote at all for that reason. I seriously doubt that is the case.

[shrike3]

55. They live in their own little bubble.

Which doesn't include the black community, from the sounds of it.

[JohnSJ]

9. I got criticized for saying that there was a similarity to what happened on January 6, and what some democrats

are doing after the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES CHOOSE THEIR NOMINEE.

This only convinces me that my analogy was more on target than not.

I will vote Democratic regardless, but no more money from me until the leadership gets their act together.

It is embarrassing and demoralizing.

[PSPS]

24. "no more money from me"

The sad fact is that, with our unprecedented wealth gap, "small donors" are just a rounding error when the tech and crypto bros have many billions of dollars at their disposal to get a politician to "change their mind." People like Peter Thiel have made it clear to democrats that he will no longer contribute to their campaigns, as he has in the past, unless they spout the "Biden should step aside" line.

[BComplex]

141. And Peter Thiel is how JD Vance got to be a senator. Thiel is part of the problem already!

I don't want Thiel's money, or anyone else's money, if it means that real democrats don't have a voice in our candidates.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

11. Who are these racist billionaires?

And what makes them racist? Joe is white, after all. Kamala is black/Asian.

[angrychair]

17. This is being driven

By billionaire donors that say they will not donate until Biden is removed from the ticket.
The reason is they are worried about his age and health because if something happens it will be VP Harris and they don't want that. They already have their surrogates pushing for a "mini" primary to decide who replaces Biden but only certain insiders will get a vote. At least that is the only "plan" I have heard so far.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

18. Did they not realize in 2020, or before the debate, that Kamala Harris was the VP?

Why wait until then-- until after the primaries, and only a month before the convention, to do this?

[angrychair]

38. Because Biden appeared healthy

The debate performance got a couple of them worried and then it just started feeding on itself as it grew.

[Quiet Em]

95. That's the only plan I'm hearing from them as well

.

[madaboutharry]

12. The Democratic convention is going to be a nightmare.

I now think they are going to force him out. If they didn't think he should run for reelection, where were they at the beginning of the process?
No matter what they say or what they do it is going to feel like a coup to a lot of democrats. And that is what it is.
Are there elected democrats who think they can swoop in and become the nominee? The entire base will drop out from under the Democratic Party if there is an attempt to pass over Vice President Harris. I can't imagine the fall out.

[angrychair]

20. I am very concerned

The entire base will drop out from under the Democratic Party if there is an attempt to pass over Vice President Harris.

Because I think that is exactly what they plan to do. Billionaire donors only want old white men in charge.

[LudwigPastorius]

25. They can't nominate someone other than Harris for the simple fact that...

the "new" choice would have no time to make up ground in name recognition and campaign cash. The Vice President already has those things in place.

Of course, this is all academic because Joe has said he's not dropping out.

[MichMan]

205. If this is driven by billionaire donors, why would campaign cash be a concern ?

Wouldn't they donate to their pick?

[PSPS]

27. No, "Billionaire donors" only want to keep paying no taxes.

[madaboutharry]

42. I don't know.

First, doesn't old white man describe Joe Biden? And how are the two terms of Barack Obama explained, he was a young black man. Is it really about a woman who is also black/asian. Is that a bridge too far for them?

[Pisces]

43. Wrong, the base will not drop out.

[soandso]

101. I agree

And they know that. The base will vote blue no matter who so they're obviously not worried about that.

[ColinC]

99. They will not be able to force him out

Since he has the delegates -unless they can change the math in anyway.

[Model35mech]

16. -that- is TERRIBLE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF are they up to???????????

[Deminpenn]

19. Schumer and DSCC and Jeffries and DCCC should

concentrate on supporting their own candidates. They don't even have to mention Biden when taking credit for everything Dems have accomplished. This is something both Schumer and Jeffries can control. They can't control the DNC nominating process or make Biden withdraw.

[PSPS]

28. It is sad to think that Schumer and Jeffries are on the pad for Thiel, isn't it?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

29. These polls ignore the fact that the GOP may be able to keep a Biden replacement off the ballot in key states

Ballot access litigation is very strange. It is not easy to get onto the ballot for third parties and there are traps even for the two main parties. The GOP and the Heritage Foundation are hoping that President Biden is removed from the ticket so that they can try to keep President Biden's replacement off the ballot in swing states.

Link to tweet

https://www.mediaite.com/biden/top-conservative-think-tank-vows-to-make-it-extraordinarily-difficult-for-dems-to-replace-biden-by-filing-swing-state-lawsuits/

Heritage Foundation has vowed to do everything possible to keep Democrats from replacing President Joe Biden as the party’s presidential nominee.

Approximately four months ago, the conservative organization began researching laws in states for replacing nominee in key swing states, according to a report from NOTUS. Staffers for Heritage’s Oversight Project compiled the report back in April and released it ahead of the debate.

“If the Biden family decides that President Biden will not run for re-election, the mechanisms for replacing him on ballots vary by state,” reads the memo. “There is the potential for pre-election litigation in some states that would make the process difficult and perhaps unsuccessful.”

The organization’s Oversight Project Executive Director Mike Howell said, in a statement to NOTUS, they would make the process for replacing Biden “extraordinarily difficult.”

“We’ve zeroed in on a few states that we think are the best case,” Howell told the news outlet without naming the specific states. The memo, however, identifies Nevada, Washington, and Georgia as the most likely states to use litigation to stop a new Democratic nominee from replacing Biden on the ballot......

“The problem that any potential replacement for Joe Biden would likely run into is that in many states, including in several key states, the deadline for getting on the ballot has already passed,” said Zack Smith, a senior legal fellow at Heritage, in a statement to NOTUS. “Or in many states, the process for replacing a candidate currently on the ballot just isn’t clearly defined because it happens so rarely.”

[SunSeeker]

90. THIS

[TheKentuckian]

164. How is anyone on the ballot when no one has been nominated?

There is no change because there is no one on the slate yet at all to be changed.

[Etherealoc1]

32. ABC NEWS .....as per"multiple sources"... ..yep

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I HAVE to see some sort of proof of this. It's no way...HAKEEM JEFFERIES?!!

No, this CANNOT be true.

As I thought.

"Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries pushed the party to delay its nominating process, multiple sources tell ABC News."

[PortTack]

34. Absolutely turns my stomach!

[58Sunliner]

35. If true, we can do this-we can stop them. Write, phone, protest. Shut them down. NOW.

I am not seeing anything on twitter.

[Chakaconcarne]

36. I don't support or know WTF is happening, but I feel like I need to have some trust in our representatives

and what they are doing.... They certainly don't want Trump to win, I know that for certain... and I do know that chances are they are on to something, know something or planning something for which we have no idea.

[Keepthesoulalive]

67. Why do you trust

Politicians that will bend to billionaires. This is about power and access. They will do their masters bidding and I guarantee we will be screwed. Just ask Sinema and Manchin but this time it will be on steroids.

[jalan48]

48. Is it possible that they know something about Biden's situation that we don't?

[Lovie777]

49. Well we know the media have been pushing this loud and clear........................

even falsifying and completely lying. So, at this point in time, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

I refuse to watch nor believe them.

[Srkdqltr]

56. All we can do now is.... wait. I hope they know what they are doing.

[bigtree]

57. they're stopping the early nomination,

...bullshit title.

[PortTack]

85. That's just as bad! OH made noises about the convention date being too late and they wouldn't put him on

The ballot. Yes, supposedly they passed a law to the contrary, but there are other states that said the same. You trust them to do the right thing? Obviously that’s what the virtual convention is about.

President Biden says he has the delegates. It’s his and his campaign’s call if they chose to do a virtual nomination..so others need to STFU!

[angrychair]

87. Fair criticism

I updated the OP title to be more inline with the ABC News title that used the word "delay" so it's "delay the nomination process".

[DemocraticPatriot]

91. It's a bit late.. after you practically started a riot in here... lol

Also, Schumer and Jeffries have no power to "delay the nomination process",
it's the Democratic National Committee who have done it, by one week...

[angrychair]

96. For me the term is somewhat innocuous

The fact that they are interjecting themselves in this at all, in this way, having private one on one meetings at his home in Delaware, is the much bigger deal and why I posted at all.
That is the part we all need to focus on. Definitely not trying to start a riot but we should be very concerned they are trying to disenfranchise 14 million primary voters.

[DemocraticPatriot]

109. I don't see a problem with them talking things over in private

with the leader of our party. It's a lot better than the drip drip drip of leaks and public announcements that has been going on until now.

As it turned out, President Biden agreed to what turns out to be only a one-week delay of the virtual roll call.

[angrychair]

126. Kind of

As I understand it, the delay that was worked out with Biden's input came from the DNC Rules Committee co-chair Walz for a delay. That was a completely separate process and according to reporting Walz was not aware of any delay efforts from Jefferies and Schumer.

[chia]

115. Why didn't you just use the actual title which says "pushed to delay?"

You changed it to something more inflammatory and less accurate.

[angrychair]

123. Tile brevity

I try to avoid long OP tiles as much as I can. There was no intention to be inflammatory. I did quote the whole paragraph and linked to the actual ABC News article and not the Threads OP I saw it in initially.

[chia]

127. When brevity alters the original meaning, it isn't helpful and in this instance worked more like a lighted match tossed

in a room full of gasoline. This isn't a criticism of brevity, btw. I like brevity. But you changed the title from something factual to something not factual.

[angrychair]

143. Fair point

I appreciate the feedback. In my mind, conceptually, the issue is more that they are involving themselves directly in this process than it is if they actually got what they wanted or not. Especially so if it was outside the normal process and/or in contradictory to the direction from Biden, who, as the head of our Party, ultimately in control of this process.

I don't want Congress critters undermining our president (like Schiff did). That is at the heart of my issue.

[chia]

155. Thanks, I appreciate your hearing me out. I've seen so much misrepresentation via headline these past years,

And many people don't read beyond the headline. I know someone in real life who doesn't pay for Apple News on their iPhone and they admit they just read the headlines because they can't access the article without a subscription. That boggles my mind, because of how often headlines don't represent the article content. Your source headline was ultimately the more accurate, and tensions are so high here right now.
I'm with Joe, but also understand (at a non-insider level, admittedly) how much back room politics goes on in, well, politics. I don't want anyone undermining Joe, history will show what a great job he's done thus far, and I trust the people around him - until I don't. So by all means, call them out as necessary. Take care.

[ColinC]

103. It doesn't even seem like they are actually doing that

They are just requesting that the early nomination process be delayed. I do not believe it has actually been delayed.despite these meetings, the early nomination is still scheduled as planned.

[bigtree]

133. that's entirely possible

...the reporting on this is slippery.

I'd give it a tick and go back and see what's actually developed outside of these absurdly errant reports about something the leaders had been discussing since before the shooting.

[valleyrogue]

168. How would this work because of Ohio?

Whoever came up with holding the convention so freaking late should have been fired.

[liberalmuse]

58. Bottom line

They don’t want even the possibility of a black, female President so they are throwing this to Trump in hopes they’ll save their seats. This stinks and is a huge betrayal to the Democratic base. They have no idea how angry their voters are over this. Biden/Harris have my vote regardless.

[NoRethugFriends]

59. so I guess Hakeem Jeffries is a racist now too??

[Bayard]

60. "Multiple sources"

Anyone besides the janitor?

This kind of headline just screams--"We don't support our President and Nominee." If they're going to actually backstab Biden like this, then trump will win.

Will be calling them tomorrow.

[FloridaBlues]

64. DNC chair addressed this change in the date. They intend to go forward Aug 1

As far as DNC they will be voting virtually in order avoid Biden not being on the ballot in Ohio.
I’ll see if I can pull up his statements.
Unless all this conversation is on live tv and not behind closed doors take with a grain of salt.

[Celerity]

135. Ohio had a special session weeks ago and changed their deadline to August 31st.

[LisaL]

144. Yes, but it takes 90 days for the law to take effect.

Which means August 31st is not the deadline this election cycle.
So OH is right back where it started.

[Celerity]

165. Link to proof of that please. DU is the only place I have seen that claim. TIA

[LisaL]

193. Sure.

"In June, Ohio passed a bill to move its deadline from Aug. 7 to Sept. 1. But because that law technically does not take effect until Sept. 1, the DNC said they are keeping their timeline of a pre-convention virtual roll call in place due to concern of litigation. Republican Secretary of State Frank LaRose suggested earlier this month that Sept. 1 deadline to certify a candidate would stand."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-national-committee-letter-joe-biden-virtual-roll-call/

[Celerity]

198. So there is no 'problem' as September 1st is after the Convention. They do not have to do a virtual nomination.

[BlueSky3]

146. Yes, help me out here, I

thought the reason Schumer and Jeffries moved the date was because of that deadline change. If that’s the case, isn’t it possible we’re upset over nothing?

[FloridaBlues]

147. Look into what DNC chair put out yesterday. It's not that simple according to Mr Harrison.

[Celerity]

166. Link please. TIA

[LisaL]

194. Here.

This new law will take effect on September 1st. That means the original deadline of Aug 7 stands, despite the new law. OH Sos said as much.

"In June, Ohio passed a bill to move its deadline from Aug. 7 to Sept. 1. But because that law technically does not take effect until Sept. 1, the DNC said they are keeping their timeline of a pre-convention virtual roll call in place due to concern of litigation. Republican Secretary of State Frank LaRose suggested earlier this month that Sept. 1 deadline to certify a candidate would stand."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-national-committee-letter-joe-biden-virtual-roll-call/

[Celerity]

199. Thanks, and see post 198

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219173139#post198

cheers

[Model35mech]

65. Just to be clear I support the party. And thereby its elites!

That's what not criticizing party members looks like.

[orangecrush]

71. We don't have "elites"

Please don't use MAGA talking points here.

[Model35mech]

75. Wow. THAT is patently not true

Carville is "an elite. Hillary is an elite, Bill Clinton is an elite. Obama and MIchelle ARE elites.

I think we live in different realities

[Doc Sportello]

159. Oh please

[ancianita]

70. I just called both Schumer and Jeffries and told them in so many words to BACK. THEIR. BASE.

NOT THEIR DONORS. I said a lot more, but that's the gist of it.

[ismnotwasm]

74. No, they haven't

[angrychair]

79. Well unless you have different information

Then we have no reason to believe it's not true. If you know something we don't please share because I would love to know everything is ok.

[ismnotwasm]

114. From your article

Schumer, Jeffries pushed party to delay official Biden nomination vote: Sources
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries pushed the party to delay its nominating process, multiple sources tell ABC News.

This comes after Schumer met privately with President Biden on Saturday in Rehoboth, Delaware. Following the meeting, Schumer only described it as a "good meeting."

This is the biggest indication so far that Schumer is keeping an open mind about Biden's future.

Schumer and Jeffries spoke and both agreed to make the push, according to the sources.

It does not said they DID

[stonecutter357]

77. WoW my Full ignore is getting very larg !

[SCantiGOP]

78. re: the original post

I have heard no speculation about removing Harris from the ticket.
The only discussion is whether to try to convince Biden to step down, and that discussion is centered around what gives us the best chance of defeating the MAGA party in November.
The rest of the discussion is bombast and speculation by people who obviously think they know better than the Democratic House and Senate leaders.

[orangecrush]

92. Done

A woman answered at Schumer, took my info and sounded pissed.

Answering machine at Jeffries.

[barbtries]

83. me either.

omigawd it upsets me so much.

[33taw]

86. Is schiff trying to be the nominee?

[LisaL]

145. Well, if he is, who does he think is going to vote for a backstabber?

[33taw]

160. Not sure, just asking.

[JohnSJ]

97. Are they referring to the virtual nominating process?

[StarryNite]

100. Yes

[angrychair]

104. Yes, that appears to be the case

There was also a separate effort going on in which Tim Walz, the DNC Rules Committee co-chair, sent a memo to committee members to delay it as well. Maybe to Aug 2nd. The interjection of the two top party leaders in this process is the part I find concerning.

[JohnSJ]

107. Thanks for the clarification. Whatever happens, they better calculate this correctly because if we are not on the

ballot in Ohio because we missed a deadline that would be very bad.

[Gore1FL]

105. We secretly replaced Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries with Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt.

Let's see if anyone notices...

[MorbidButterflyTat]

106. I can't do this

How much bullshit are we to endure?

[Blue Full Moon]

111. The question to ask is why do they want tRump to win?

That is what would happen. If they think that this election is so important why are they damaging our own candidate. They should be focusing on winning over tRump. Not giving him more ammunition to use against us.

[mamacita75]

112. This here

feels like a gut punch. We must not succumb to our enemies psyops on us. OMG this would be a nightmare!

[duckworth969]

113. Corporate donors don't want to pay more taxes

Simple as that

[chia]

118. "PUSH TO DELAY" (actual title at source link) is a lot different than OP title here

[angrychair]

134. I get the point you are making

I would counter that is if, in effect, the same in the end.
Two separate things were happening at the same time. Tim Walz, co-chair of the DNC Rules Committee put forth a letter to the rules committee and reached out to the Biden Campaign and with the direct input of Biden, appeared to have settled on a date of 8/2 for the virtual roll call. Walz stated he was not aware of any effort by Jefferies or Schumer to delay the roll call.
There is lies the rub for me. I don't see an issue as to what happened with Walz.
My issue is the Dem leaders of the House and Senate appearing to make an end run around the process that the rules co-chair was not even aware was happening. That makes it look like dirty pool and that is why I find it concerning, especially on the heels on Schiff throwing Biden under the bus.

[IA8IT]

119. So the people herding cats are cats too? May use my passport faster than planned

[NoMoreRepugs]

125. If in fact accurate and replacing Biden is the goal I 100% guarantee this will be the last free

and fair election in the US. Trumplandia will NOT be a place for me and mine.

[StarryNite]

132. If they replace President Biden

then that will mean our votes have been ignored and we will already be 'there'.

[C Moon]

129. Maybe they're trying to throw off the rnc show

[3825-87867]

131. Multiple sources? No names?

Don't forget...billionaires OWN the MEDIA and if they decide the media needs to lie a little and cause speculation trough their reporters, so be it. Subtle lies and innuendo. Anything to keep Biden from winning.
The only way to believe this is BS is if Schumer and Jeffries come out and say they said nothing.
Unless, of course ,they themselves, were promised the moon!

[Iggo]

150. One is a multiple of everything.

[doc03]

138. We have been laughing at the dysfunctional Republicans for years. It looks like the

Democratic party is melting down.

[GiqueCee]

139. The answer to your concerns for the Party...

... are in the first five words of your comment: "A bunch of racist billionaires."

[AverageOldGuy]

140. If we don't nominate soon . . .

If we do not nominate soon, we miss the Ohio deadline and we are sunk no matter whom we nominate. (Did I use "whom" correctly?)

[JT45242]

148. Never a penny to either one of these POS ever again

Any delay may keep Biden off the ballot in Ohio. They may not realize it because they are so bought by donors, but the results of the abortion amendment say Ohio is in play if these two self proclaimed king makers don't screw it up.

There better be consequences for these two opportunistic self serving mouth pieces of the rich come 2025.

They should be bashing TFG and Thiel's puppet, instead they are pushing Russian propaganda that Biden should not run.

Every disloyal dem needs consequences...if you come for the king, you better get him.

[et tu]

149. can we still write in our preferred candidate????

just asking for a bunch of friends-

[Pachamama]

151. Battle of the Oligarchs n/t

[valleyrogue]

169. This thread really needs to be deleted.

This is all a tempest in a teapot.

[alarimer]

171. Delegates should walk out of the convention

If they push Biden out.

Fuck these two-faced assholes. Primary both of them.

[kansasobama]

180. I second you

Dems are losing all high ground with this. Dems are ousting an elected man after fighting against J6?

[johnnyplankton]

190. Why do so many people on DU think they're better qualified to judge Biden's soundness of mind...

than the people who see and talk to him everyday? Yes he won the primary but is even remotely possible that he has declined in the last six months? Asking for a nation that should value defeating fascism over sentimentality. (BTW, I am donating, volunteering, and voting for Biden unless they change the nominee)

[Rincewind]

204. I expect the GOPer's to be against

democracy, I didn't expect the Democratic leadership to tell the rank and file Democrats that their votes don't mean shit. If they didn't want Biden to be the nominee, the time to do something was two years ago. Challenge him in the primaries, see if you can find someone the party faithful like more. The key to us winning has always been voter turnout, and you don't get turnout by telling the voters that you don't care what they want.