I Want To Make Something Crystal Fucking Clear

[._.]

[Pisces]

1. Disagree. The entire base wants to defeat Donald Trump end of story

[madaboutharry]

4. I can't imagine the anger that will come like a tsunami from Black women, the true base

of the Democratic Party, if they force Joe Biden out and pass over Kamala Harris.

[we can do it]

9. This white woman has enough of this bullshit. I am out if they pull this.

[Pisces]

12. Then you are not committed to a Democrat in the White House.

[we can do it]

22. I have worked my ass off for dems for over 25 years - full time volunteering from primary on most cycles.

Election protection hotline, canvass, etc….Will not stand for this.

[NoSheep]

65. and where do you plan to live when Trump wins?

[we can do it]

68. Somewhere else, already selling our RB house if the hellbeast wins.

I’m not living like this- not sorry I’ve given it my all.

But only one life to live.

[NoSheep]

86. So you will be able to leave, I get that. Will you vote to help us that cannot?

[dchill]

77. Which Democrat? Did we waste our time having primaries?

Are we to ignore the will of the majority? Who's to choose?

[madaboutharry]

17. You can't be out.

Every democrat has to vote, no matter who or what they are. It has to be about the country and democracy. We can be angry, but our feeling don't matter. Not this time.

Please don't say that. No matter what we all have to vote Blue No Matter Who. That is what Joe Biden would want, even after getting stabbed in the back. He would say it isn't about him. It is about saving Democracy.

[peachpit24]

34. Biden

I'm out too if they get away with this. I've voted so many times for democrats. They will not be my party anymore.

[NoSheep]

66. Where are YOU planning to live when Trump wins?

[Seeking Serenity]

70. Yep. You have to just keep voting for whomever the party elite and big money tells you to without question or protest

That'll show them how pissed off you are over all this and that they totally can't keep taking you for granted.

[madaboutharry]

71. Enough people think like this and democracy dies.

Sometimes it isn't about making a point. Sometimes it is about protecting democracy for a generation yet to be born.

If Trump wins, this country will become an authoritarian state and no one will ever care how pissed off you are again.

[Seeking Serenity]

74. Y'know, I'm about over this crap about this country becoming a facist dictatorship

If TFG wins. Obviously, OUR Party elites and its big-money donors don't really believe that, otherwise they wouldn't be throwing all these spanners in the works.

So no. I'm not buying that talking point anymore, and I'm tired of being told what to do by people who wouldn't deign to spit on me if I was on fire.

I'm sick of this shit!

[madaboutharry]

76. OK.

You are entitled to your opinion. People are entitled to disagree.

[Marcus IM]

19. Then hold your nose and vote for the lesser of the "evil"

Vote no matter what.

It's an American election, and that's how it has been many times.

Expectations of and voting for purity will cause us to lose.

It's that simple.

[LakeArenal]

38. "it's an American election!"

Damn straight. Voting is the true Patriotism.

We should be registered at birth.

It’s a privilege. Democracy is the fight this election. We fight BY VOTING.

[Marcus IM]

43. That's how it works where I come from.

And everyone in my family has voted in every election since the Revolution that ended the US/corporate interests backed bloodsoaked brutal death squad dictatorship.

[LakeArenal]

46. Ended the war in Vietnam.

[BannonsLiver]

59. Yes

All of those Castro era elections were edge of your seat intrigue soaked thrill rides. Who will win? lol

[malaise]

73. Not a rapist fraudster

Convicted criminal

[BannonsLiver]

75. Yeah, he was a real freedom fighter, Castro.

And that's some standard, too. "At least he's not as bad as Trump."

[JJ101]

56. I get it

But for me this has become an issues campaign. I could not live with myself if TFG gets elected simply because DEMS did not do things my way. I have worked for the Dems well over 40 years and have never felt the urgency to vote as I have now. We must unite.

[spooky3]

15. They are the true base and most reliable, but they are only about 6 %

of the US population. The Dems must have support from many others as well.

I agree that pissing off primary voters is a huge concern.

[madaboutharry]

20. They live in places where their vote makes a difference.

If Joe Biden is forced out and Kamal Harris is passed over, they will both have to be the ones who get out there and make the case that this can not be about anything less than saving America.

And they both love this country and democracy that they will do that.

But I have to say, If the democratic leadership pulls the rug out from under democrats it is going to really hurt.

[spooky3]

21. Yes, but so do many people in other demographics. Nt

[slightlv]

64. I don't think it'll only be the black women

in revolt, mad! I think the population of women not under the maga thrall will have 2nd, 3rd, and 4th thoughts about any of the parties at that point. We women, as a whole, are methodical; we're logical; and we're compassionate. Go against those virtues at your danger, and deal with the consequence. If they ripped Biden from us, and then kicked Harris to the curb... I wouldn't be surprised to see WOMEN start their own political party comprised mostly of women and, maybe, feminist-leaning men.

[Think. Again.]

6. Remember 2016.

[FHRRK]

18. Which is why we are amazed at comments like Schiff

Debate performance, BAD! and over

Have seen plenty since then that he is capable of making it through the election.

So replacing him makes it that much more likely that we lose.

Name one fucking time when Dems caved to Repuke and Media demands and it worked. One fucking time. They immediately pivot to weakness on the Democrats part.

If people aren't watching how the media is doing nothing but pushing Repuke talking points AND will do the same through the election then there really is no hope in educating people that Repuke/Media are anti-Democracy.

[Keepthesoulalive]

30. We do not want our votes

Taken from us. If I wanted Carville and his billionaire friends I would have voted for them. Please don’t think fear of asshole will motivate people when you take away their rights. They can become indifferent. They definitely won’t be fired up and ready to go.

[agingdem]

55. agree..

this election is bigger than Joe Biden...this is Democracy vs Trump...

[richdj25]

62. Nope

Just watch us. Staying home from the polls when you're African American is no problem.

Think about it, when you've been relegated as a third class citizen since 1619, Trump winning wouldn't be any much of a blow to us than most of the past president's, even Nixon and Woodrow Wilson.

[gab13by13]

2. No, she is the VP candidate, I voted for her and Joe as a team.

[Pisces]

10. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. This country is bigger than 1 or 2 people. The goal is to win in

Nov. however, we can make that happen. We have 4 states that will be deciding the fate of this country Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Internal polling will determine what happens. Either way I am sure Kamala will be fine and she will be firmly on board with whatever happens.

[BadgerMom]

40. If the goal is to win in November, why are we committing suicide in July?

Eff this. There is no path forward. If they had one, they’d have told us. This is a Hollywood-Silicon Valley dream that we can toss over our selected team now. They’ll dismember the party by disenfranchising our votes. This could have been considered in spring 2023, not summer 2024. They need to learn to say “no!” to billionaires.

[FalloutShelter]

3. Abso-effing-lutely

[Deek1935]

5. But it would have to be a CONTESTED primary. Nobody can just be "poofed" in. It's not who we are.

[Qutzupalotl]

7. AND Joe Biden.

[Autumn]

8. Nonsense. The base will support whomever the Democrat is on the

ticket for president in November.

[we can do it]

11. Wrong 😑 the base will not have their votes tossed at the behest of a few big dollar assholes.

[Pisces]

14. Agree to disagree

[we can do it]

23. Lost the house in 2010 because people got the wrong color pony.

[Pisces]

25. We lost in Michigan in 2016 by 10,000 votes. Internal polling must be terrifying if they are considering this.

[we can do it]

28. Election Day polling 2004 had us winning....

[quaint]

24. Some won't vote.

[relayerbob]

41. Absolute nonsense.

All that is required is for a few percent to decide not to vote, and it's over. The "base" is irrelevant, it's the margin where the race will be decided.

[Frasier Balzov]

13. Someone I think I know who has almost all the delegates

would only release them to Harris.

[._.]

16. The Base

The Democratic Party base is FEMALE People of Color! What the ever loving fuck are the "leadership" thinking?

[Pisces]

26. They are thinking we must defeat Trump to preserve Democracy. Nothing else. They love Joe, but we need to love the

Country more.

[padah513]

36. You are not listening and you don't know black women

[Irish_Dem]

27. Decisions are obviously being made behind the scenes.

We are not being consulted.

Cussing will not make them change their minds.

[emulatorloo]

29. I'll vote for whomever "our betters" chose, because we have to beat Trump.

But after the election I am not going to forget the betrayal.

[LakeArenal]

48. !!!!!!

[no_hypocrisy]

31. Project 2025

I’m voting against Project 2025 and Donald Trump and JD Vance.

[cjoki4]

32. I'm the base - I won't vote

If they do anything to remove Biden/Harris ticket - I am out. I won't vote.

If rich donors and those Dem politicians can throw away my primary vote, then my general vote means nothing.

We have already lost our Democracy if they pull this shit.

[LakeArenal]

49. Ain't gonna happen anyway.

No electable Democrat is going to be responsible for losing Democracy.

Adam Schiff should declare who he thinks this fantasy candidate might be. Him? Hahaha. He just burned that bridge.

[tman]

33. Not even a Harris fan but I 100% agree,

[mamacita75]

35. Kamala

is already on the ticket. I am gob smacked by Schiff.

[Ray Bruns]

37. I was always a Kamala Harris supporter

[relayerbob]

39. 100% This

But a lot of will vanish if Biden is passed over, too. She is the only one who would have a chance, but in places like Georgia, only Biden can win. I know, I live here.

They stick random white guy, you lose Black vote. You stick Black woman in there, the rednecks will come out in force. We have the right mix, right now. And if Biden resigns Jan 21, 2025, then I'm all for it, as I love Kamala.

[Zeitghost]

42. The Party base will vote for the nominee no mater who it is

That's kind of the definition of a "Base".

Those who will only vote if their chosen candidate are not the base and never have been.

[Herkimer]

44. We may not approve of it but

I voted AGAINST Trump in 2016 and when he won I left the country.

I voted AGAINST Trump in 2020, Biden lovers should know I did not then and do not now think he was the best choice.

I will vote in 2024 and again I will be voting AGAINST Trump. And if he wins I will leave the country, even if it is to die in a country not run by fascists.

To OP, Harris may or may not be the best for the job of president, I happen to think others would be better suited, but if her name is on the ballot against Trump I will vote for her.

[LakeArenal]

45. I love... BUT...... Jebus.

[dcmfox]

47. I want

The best person to beat Trump, I don't give a crap who it is. If its not the VP then whomever. This is to damn important to let that hang you up.

[ancianita]

50. Democratic voters will not drop out -- they will always support freedom, justice & democracy WHOEVER their candidate is

[LisaL]

58. Where is the democracy if the plan is to ignore the will of the primary voters?

[Dan]

61. Giggling...

Drop KH and we'll see....

[BigDemVoter]

51. I don't think there is even a mechanism to choose anyone else if they, indeed, tried this.

We just have got to stop fighting amongst ourselves, or we are going to LOSE this goddamned election.

[BeyondGeography]

52. Nah

[Magoo48]

53. Horseshit and gunsmoke is pouring from the small flue on the executive/congressional roof.

. My view, from down here at common citizen level, is opaque and distorted.
Reply to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 02:42 PM
This is how those at the top would prefer it. We all sense that there is some kind of horse trading and come-to-Jesus cluster fucking going on in the smoke filled conference rooms. That’s as close we’ll get until the spoonfuls of caster oil come down the line.
The fact for me is that I’m 75, and I always have and always will vote Democrat.
I don’t like fascism more than I don’t like being a pawn.

[edisdead]

54. I got news for you

People will be pissed if Joe is forced ti step down.

[LisaL]

57. I will be one of those people.

I am already pissed that they are trying to force him out for no apparent reason.

[KS Toronado]

60. Relax everybody, Biden & Harris will be on our ballots.

Stop falling for the "fear" trap.

[Baitball Blogger]

63. I'm so impressed with her.

I can't wait to see her debate JD Vance.

[sheshe2]

79. I just read in another OP that he is refusing to debate her now.

[Baitball Blogger]

80. Wimp, wimp, wimp.

Who would have thought that he would be a coward. Another right-winger who has no experience or academic resume, and relies on good buddy support to look impotent. Wink, wink.

[sheshe2]

81. Oh, I do love your response!

[flashman13]

69. That is absolutely correct. Women will decide this election.

[Sunsky]

72. Many will

The black vote would certainly vanish because that would send us a huge message.

[SamuelTheThird]

78. Would they? Let's look at the argument against that

Polling has consistently shown what motivates people most is voting AGAINST trump

Harris didn't receive much African-American support when she made her own bid for President. Obviously, black voters would NOW vote for her, but the idea they wouldn't vote for another Dem for President to prevent Trump might be very incorrect.

Not saying passing her over is a great idea, but there are advantages and disadvantages to it. And trump must be defeated

[tavernier]

82. At this point, I don't trust anyone but Joe/Kamala team.

The whole Republican Party went bat shit crazy. How do I know that Schumer and Schiff haven’t been exposed or injected with an insanity virus? They sure don’t sound like they have a full deck.

[Nimble_Idea]

83. It will Biden's decision. but should he step down. it will be Harris as our nominee and Shapiro as VP.

The race will still be down to the wire, no matter what.


But you are right, no way they brush away the incumbent VP as the nominee if Joe has to step away for any reason.

[CoopersDad]

84. I will jump for Joy if Harris is promoted by Joe to become the nominee.

That is really something that would present a real challenge to Trump and the RNC.

[Melon]

87. I'm dying. I was fully behind Joe,

But I am not a fan of Kamala at all. My kids friends aren’t either. Maybe it’s the lack of exposure the party gave her to the public the first few years. We will support whomever runs, but I want a strong candidate.