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Why is Cory Booker on CNN saying Biden (Original Post) MOMFUDSKI Jul 2024 OP
I literally can not believe this senseandsensibility Jul 2024 #1
Should Senator Booker be saying that President Biden will make the WRONG decision? Glorfindel Jul 2024 #2
He should say Biden MADE the right decision. Qutzupalotl Jul 2024 #4
Agree Rebl2 Jul 2024 #12
Exactly JohnSJ Jul 2024 #30
Biden has already made the decision. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #7
Booker is doing the same thing soandso Jul 2024 #20
The point is, President Biden has already MADE his decision, and been repeating it DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #8
This Deminpenn Jul 2024 #32
He should echo what the president said soandso Jul 2024 #19
I wish they'd stop fucking around and do whatever they're going to do. NoveltySocks Jul 2024 #3
How I feel. Stop fucking around. shrike3 Jul 2024 #6
He said he didn't want to discuss publicaly because of the RNC and that Yorkie Mom Jul 2024 #9
ON the surface that's not that bad, but he should have better sense than to gp on CNN... brush Jul 2024 #5
Hasn't Biden already made it entirely clear that he isn't dropping out? BigDemVoter Jul 2024 #10
Seems like we are heading toward about everyone in the party TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #11
So far, the Black Caucus, Clyburn, AOC and Bernie have backed Joe up. shrike3 Jul 2024 #15
Safest seats with populations most likely to ride or die. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #18
So dismiss the Black Caucus because they're in safe seats? Gotcha. shrike3 Jul 2024 #24
I didn't say to ignore anyone but I don't see an argument against TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #33
There is no EVIDENCE that Trump would definitely win. If they are acting on polls that is beyond STUPID. Here is why: Deek1935 Jul 2024 #22
Only PA MI WI VA polls matter. President Biden needs all 4. He is behind in the 1st 3 and tied in VA. nt kelly1mm Jul 2024 #28
Polls don't vote lees1975 Jul 2024 #29
I am using the RCP polling average. If polls don't vote (valid argument) then why listen to 538? nt kelly1mm Jul 2024 #31
FFS MustLoveBeagles Jul 2024 #13
Your "Party" is made up of millions of people. Rafi Jul 2024 #14
14 million of them actually voted MerrilyMerrily Jul 2024 #17
This is like SpongeBob. GreenWave Jul 2024 #16
excellent comparison. :) BootinUp Jul 2024 #21
. BootinUp Jul 2024 #23
What was Mark Kelly saying on there?? kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2024 #25
He has made the decision jackass. Which part of I will not step aside don't you JohnSJ Jul 2024 #26
The same reason Rep. Pelosi said President Biden needed to make a decision after he kelly1mm Jul 2024 #27

senseandsensibility

(24,974 posts)
1. I literally can not believe this
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 05:38 PM
Jul 2024

I guess when these people seemed to come to their senses for a few days, it was just because of the shooting. Temporary pause in the insanity.

Glorfindel

(10,175 posts)
2. Should Senator Booker be saying that President Biden will make the WRONG decision?
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 05:40 PM
Jul 2024

Or just not say anything at all? Maybe there is just too much tumult and shouting all around.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
4. He should say Biden MADE the right decision.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 05:41 PM
Jul 2024

Because he did. Apparently the senator was asleep.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
7. Biden has already made the decision.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 05:43 PM
Jul 2024

Saying he'll make the right decision is implying he's still not decided and Biden has been crystal fucking clear he's running. So, either Booker is confused or he's trying to create uncertainty.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
20. Booker is doing the same thing
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:30 PM
Jul 2024

that Pelosi did - acting as though Joe never made a decision when he did! Fuck these mind games.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
8. The point is, President Biden has already MADE his decision, and been repeating it
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 05:50 PM
Jul 2024

over and over for the past three weeks....

Booker seems to be trying to keep his ass on the fence,
so he can fall off on whichever side prevails.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
19. He should echo what the president said
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:28 PM
Jul 2024

which is that he already made his decision and is NOT stepping down.

NoveltySocks

(415 posts)
3. I wish they'd stop fucking around and do whatever they're going to do.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 05:41 PM
Jul 2024

Because if this keeps up, we're ALL going to find out...

Yorkie Mom

(16,595 posts)
9. He said he didn't want to discuss publicaly because of the RNC and that
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 05:52 PM
Jul 2024

Biden will make a decision. It was pointed out that Biden has said he did make a decision, but Corey seems to think it's not a done deal or will change his mind.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
5. ON the surface that's not that bad, but he should have better sense than to gp on CNN...
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 05:42 PM
Jul 2024

which is now FOX-lite, voicing anything other than his strong, unwavering support for Joe Biden.

BigDemVoter

(4,700 posts)
10. Hasn't Biden already made it entirely clear that he isn't dropping out?
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 06:22 PM
Jul 2024

How many fucking times do they need to hear it?

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
11. Seems like we are heading toward about everyone in the party
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 06:32 PM
Jul 2024

is somehow accused of working for Putin/Chump/the wealthy including Obama and Pelosi except Biden and his inner circle.

Far more likely is a bunch of folks hand waiving real concerns that Biden is not only unable to climb out of a real hole but is also a credible threat to damage down ballot as well and ardent admirers of Biden just won't consider the possibility at all, preferring to lose ridin' than to win any other way.

Blue no matter who turns out to be gaslighting/a cudgel to get folks in line and it is actually blue as long as it is my dude(tte).

At a minimum, I find it incredulous that everyone thinks this campaign is rocking and rolling.

The wagons have circled so tightly that there is no room for improvement and that is poison.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
15. So far, the Black Caucus, Clyburn, AOC and Bernie have backed Joe up.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 06:42 PM
Jul 2024

I haven't seen Booker's interview, granted.

I just find it interesting that Joe's supporters are either progressive or people of color.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
18. Safest seats with populations most likely to ride or die.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:22 PM
Jul 2024

Blue + 29% or more is a whole lot different on the ground than Blue even or +/- 3.

Yes, they have to be mindful of their election prospects because WE need them to do anything and at least as critically if too many of these districts and states are lost then so is Biden.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
33. I didn't say to ignore anyone but I don't see an argument against
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 09:40 PM
Jul 2024

the conditions looking very different from different perspectives and pressures.

So...you're saying contested seats can be disregarded?

I would say you are not because that would be irrational.

 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
22. There is no EVIDENCE that Trump would definitely win. If they are acting on polls that is beyond STUPID. Here is why:
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 09:36 PM
Jul 2024

If you're in love with polls, then polls are tied. No evidence Joe would lose to Trump. And polls are NON-PREDICTIVE in the first place. It's all SPECULATION and pants-shitting and SO much of this SHIT is being pushed by rich DONORS.

But there is evidence, based on HISTORY and the only predictive model that has never failed, the Lichtman 13 Keys model. Without Joe's INCUMBENCY and DECISIVE PRIMARY WIN keys, we most likely lose 6 keys and lose to Trump.

This shit needs to stop! Polls, pundits, debates, and age do not determine presidential winners. Never have, never will.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
28. Only PA MI WI VA polls matter. President Biden needs all 4. He is behind in the 1st 3 and tied in VA. nt
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:17 PM
Jul 2024

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
29. Polls don't vote
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:21 PM
Jul 2024

And there are several polls which show Biden up by 11 in Virginia, 5 in Michigan and Wi, and 4 in PA. So which poll do you go with. 538 gives Biden 54-46 odds of winning at least 277 votes, based on a whole array of polls and political indicators.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
31. I am using the RCP polling average. If polls don't vote (valid argument) then why listen to 538? nt
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:24 PM
Jul 2024

Rafi

(281 posts)
14. Your "Party" is made up of millions of people.
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 06:38 PM
Jul 2024

And just possibly they don't all, or even the majority agree with you.

MerrilyMerrily

(230 posts)
17. 14 million of them actually voted
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 07:43 PM
Jul 2024

87% of them chose Joe.
The reason Democrats don't win more races is that a great freaking lump of people who either prefer the Democratic candidate, or simply dislike the Republican candidate more, do not bother to actually vote.

As Hal Sparks pointed out, before the debate Joe Biden had an enthusiasm problem with regard to the great lump, but then enthusiasm for him increased significantly because the media attacks were so obviously unfair. It got people angry - on Joe's behalf - including a lot of people who usually don't feel inspired enough to fill out a ballot.

IMO, these stories and statements depicting Democratic leaders as trying to push Joe out are redirecting that anger towards the Democratic Party.

If the Democratic leaders and operatives and donors force out the presumptive nominee in favor of some kind of reality game show runoff at the last minute, that will come across as panicky and hysterical, like Chicken Little, not to mention bullying and mean. Why should the low-enthusiasm lump take these Democrats seriously when they insist Trumplicans will make the sky fall?

Sure, millions will vote D no matter how angry they are. but the lump of non-voting Ds or anti-Rs, who could cause a Republican defeat of truly humiliating size if they voted, will go back to not feeling inspired enough to bother.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
26. He has made the decision jackass. Which part of I will not step aside don't you
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:08 PM
Jul 2024

understand?

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
27. The same reason Rep. Pelosi said President Biden needed to make a decision after he
Wed Jul 17, 2024, 10:12 PM
Jul 2024

already did make a decision (even sending a formal letter stating such). They want him to (totally voluntarily, natch) make the decision they want him to make.

Plus allows them to say 'I never said he should drop out' with a straight face .....

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