Anyone thinking Kamala Harris is going to ascend after a contentious Biden fall

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POLITICO @politico
A polling memo circulating among Dem party officials argues that the best chance to defeat Trump is with a new nominee independent of the incumbent admin.

In other words: not Kamala Harris.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

...this is of course, shite stirring Politico, but folks, this is what's facing us if we retreat from our votes already cast and the organizing already taking place behind Joe Biden around the country.

They don't care which Democrat they try to take down, and some Democrats are still thinking they have some purchase on our votes - this without asking one voter if they can undo them.

Neither the press or the politicians has an actual democratic process in mind for who would ostensibly decide to run in Joe Biden's place in this race. If a nominee drops out, votes will occur among the DNC and other party leaders; an extraordinarily intrusive and exclusive process

Neither is telling you WHO exactly would make that choice in this election FOR US.

Who would the DNC process pick to CHOOSE FOR US?

Who gets in, and who gets left out (voters, that is).

The death of future primaries. Who will have faith in a process that can be undermined by their own party leaders and other elected Democrats?

No, no. Get ready for the dismantling of everything voters spoke for, aspire to with their votes in the primaries; a democratic process in which black and women voters play a huge role in participating and choosing our nominee.

HOW does this talented, most experienced Vice President get edged out of anyone's scenario for the next presidency, as VP or at the top of the ticket?

How, indeed. Witness the effort to tear apart what we carefully constructed with democratic action in our primary and election. In whose interest is it to divide and dismantle the interests and ideals contained in the democracy participated in; in actual votes cast in an election?

Look at these these people muttering and whispering to the press that they intend Joe Biden to spur democratic action and withdraw on these critics and doubters' demands.

Are they not enemies of our democratic process of choosing our nominee; opting instead for this star chamber approach that insists they know better than voters who should run in this election and serve if successful?

With not even an effort to reach out to voters and obtain some sort of agreement among Democrats, some Democratic lawmakers have conspired with a compliant media to do an end-round of the election and bully our nominee out of the race.

Now we can see clearly that nothing of what voters thought they were placing their ballots for would emerge in this 'Biden step down' scenario after the elite pols had their way in tearing democracy down.

[BannonsLiver]

1. Bookmarking to read later.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

2. I...I can't even....

[BootinUp]

3. Wow. With wealth comes this brazenness I assume. Nt

[Think. Again.]

4. Explosive increase in third party voters in 3,...2,.....

[leftieNanner]

5. Good grief!

I think the next Dem pairing should be Harris and Buttigieg.

That would really fry those fundies!

[blm]

6. Every GOP state will fight in court to keep Biden on the ballot.

This is known.

[TheKentuckian]

19. He isn't on any ballots. He hasn't been nominated.

[Bettie]

7. What I see coming

if they get their way is a ticket of two wealthy white men, chosen by other wealthy white men, who will be placed on the ballot by a few people who think they are more important than the rest of us put together.

Reach out to voters? Why would they? We voted for Biden and now they've decided he's forgotten that "working for the people" is supposed to be an empty catch prhase, not something a president should really believe or do.

Now, "working for the donors!" that's one they can get behind.

[Horse with no Name]

40. They want Newsom

And Harris cannot be on the same ticket as they are from the same state

[valleyrogue]

47. Newsom can't win anything nationally.

The GOP would eat him for breakfast.

[gab13by13]

8. It would have to be Jesus Christ for me to shun Kamala.

[jalan48]

9. I disagree. I think it will be Harris if Biden steps down.

[CTyankee]

54. I agree. I've been watching her closely lately, and listening to her also.

I wasn't a fan earlier, TBH. But she has impressed me. She is pretty damned good! If Joe feels he must go, I will trust that he made the right decision for himself and the country. I dearly love the man, but he could go down in history as the president whose prescience about the future of this country saved us from a tyrant who would end our democratic republic and gave us the first woman president in our country's history.

Think about it.

[jalan48]

55. I agree, I saw her tonight talking about Vance. I believe she is growing into the role and can win.

[Demsrule86]

59. She is great but right now she can't win the rustbelt...it is too late. And if she is passed over we lose

African American voters...our only shot is with Biden. We can win but because we don't have party loyalty, we won't...And this time the consequences are horrible. I hope you are independently wealthy and don't rely on social security or disability.

[jalan48]

63. And Joe Biden is 81 and currently has Covid. Looks like we have a big problem.

[Demsrule86]

60. And we will lose. There is not enough time for her to convince voters in the rustbelt who don't trust Californians.

[Demsrule86]

62. And we lose. I like her alot but it is too late.

[CTyankee]

66. How do we "know" this? I'd like to see this specifically asked in polls.

Then I'd like to know the size of the poll and how the question is asked.

[elleng]

10. circulating among Dem party officials ???

[Frasier Balzov]

11. Biden would need to turn the presidency over to her at the convention.

Then she truly would be the incumbent. All previous polling invalidated.

Releasing his nominating delegates to her as part of the orchestrated succession.

Joe Biden does not seem likely to want to do any of that, and a wild card scenario is inconceivable.

[Model35mech]

12. I dunno, How close is Harris to the neoliberal dems??????

It appears THAT wing of the party is behind the stop Biden movement with significant AIPAC backing fpr Adam Schiff

[Historic NY]

13. I'm sorry but its not going to work that way...

[gab13by13]

14. Sounds to me like Blue Labs Analytics is circulating the memo.

It doesn't say if Democrats are reading it.

BS propaganda.

[SocialDemocrat61]

15. If it's not Harris

don't they lose all the fund raising cash?

[Phoenix61]

16. From what I've read, yes they do. nt

[SocialDemocrat61]

20. Then it sounds like a dumb move.

It should be Harris. She’s earned it.

[edisdead]

39. i dont even know that funds can be transferred to her.

[tulipsandroses]

17. Look, I don't agree with Democrats asking President Biden to quit, but if he does and VP Harris is not the nominee

I hope they understand the damage they will do to the party. I will support all democrats in 24 to stop trump, even if they get rid of the sitting president and VP. But I will no longer call myself a proud democrat. They don't understand that they may end up pushing more people to identify themselves as Independent or just being totally fed up with "the system" and not vote at all. This could be 2016 all over again. Don't count on people " learning their lesson" .

[oregonjen]

18. It has to be Harris, the campaign money raised already can't be passed to anyone else.

At least that’s my understanding.

[obamanut2012]

22. Racist fuck

[Lifeafter70]

38. I see pizza in his future

Edited to add posted in wrong place agree racist fuck

[GP6971]

23. Hello. Plan on staying around long?

And a Welcome Back!!!!

[Solly Mack]

25. Fuck you and the racist horse you rode in on.

[senseandsensibility]

27. Good bye

[emulatorloo]

29. Hmmmmmmm

ultraleftee (2 posts)

21. kumala is not

fit for office.She is a cackling idiot, fuck her.

You sound nice /s

[Just_Vote_Dem]

33. PAGING MIRT!

[we can do it]

37. Get the fuck out of here you racist piece of shit

I’d alert but can’t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. I alerted.

[we can do it]

57. Thank you

[The Unmitigated Gall]

42. Take a flying leap, asshole.

[Happy Hoosier]

24. WHY TF are we doing this!?

Biden has been immensely successful! And here we are destroying his candidacy. I am in disbelief.

[LisaL]

26. I have the same question.

Why are they doing it to us?

[elleng]

30. Ditto

[emulatorloo]

32. Best President in my lifetime. And I have been around for a long while.

[MustLoveBeagles]

58. I wish I knew

[elleng]

28. Repugs NEVER gonna support Kamala Harris,

I've had NO DOUBT about that forever.

[we can do it]

31. And there you fucking have it

[choie]

36. If not Kamala, then who? you fuckers.

[Sneederbunk]

51. I don't see either Newsom or Whitmer going for this crap.

[Model35mech]

41. Kamala will likely have the bicycle pushed out from under her as she

tries to swing up into the tree on the lowest branch.

Bullies do that kind of shit. Happened to me all the time trying to climb Grandma Nestler's maple tree.

[obamanut2012]

46. Mirt

[emulatorloo]

49. I think you might be misunderstanding this post.

To me is describing those bullies who want to skip VP Harris

per bigtree’s OP here:

HOW does this talented, most experienced Vice President get edged out of anyone's scenario for the next presidency, as VP or at the top of the ticket?

[no_hypocrisy]

43. What if the same donors who don't want Joe Biden *also* don't

want Kamala Harris?

[BunkieBandit]

56. Does is it mean we have to

hit the RESET button. After over a century, we, the Democratic Party need to reconfigure? I'm too old for that shit !! What the hell have they done ?!!

[alarimer]

44. Biden's progressive agenda has scared the oligarchs

And the Democrats do have their own oligarchs: mostly tech bros outside of Musk and Thiel. But also banking, financial sector, etc.

[gab13by13]

50. I have been told by someone here

that Democrats needed to run a moderate in Pa. to win the Senate seat, instead of a progressive Fetterman. I live in Pa. and I knew that was bs.

Fetterman lost the debate with Oz.
Fetterman, if I remember correctly, also outperformed the polling.

Makes me wonder if polls are slanted towards moderates?

[valleyrogue]

48. We need to knock it off.

Biden isn't leaving. The end.

[RockRaven]

53. Party elites/insiders/major donors selecting a nominee of their own desire

at the last minute despite all of the votes cast in primaries by the masses is INCREDIBLY off-putting to the average voter (whether Dem, Indie, or Repug) -- it is a recipe for losing to a convicted felon, rapist, pedo, fraudster, traitor.

If you didn't want Biden to be the nominee the time to address that was 6-24 months ago. It is too late now. If you ditch Biden you get TCF.

[ecstatic]

61. they are nuts if they think they can push Kamala aside. nt

[emulatorloo]

64. Reply to this "plan" from executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus: Ya'll must take us for fools.

Link to tweet

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Absolutely not. Take Black voters, including me, for granted at your own peril.

Ya’ll must take us for fools.

I suggest we get behind Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and move on, cause this dog won’t hunt.

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Politico
A polling memo circulating among Dem party officials argues that the best chance to defeat Trump is with a new nominee independent of the incumbent admin.

In other words: not Kamala Harris.

[Nimble_Idea]

65. if you don't like the process, you get a new party with a process you like. or push this one.

but the process is there. delegates and a convention.