did Rachel just bury Joe?

[msongs]

she said a new poll shows a 30 percent drop in black women support and Joe cant win with that. the only way to turn this around is if Harris leads the ticket.

[LisaL]

1. Enough with the stupid polls.

People don't even pick up the phone anymore unless they know who is calling.

[totodeinhere]

26. You can say that but if we are even losing Rachel Maddow

I would say that the president's campaign is in trouble. And we're hearing reports that both Schumer and Jeffries are trying to push him out also. I think Pelosi will probably be next. It's very sad because I continue to believe that Joe is the strongest candidate and the most likely to beat Trump.

[LisaL]

46. What exactly did Rachel even say?

Do tell.

[totodeinhere]

53. She said that the president is losing support among black women.

And black women are a key constituency of the president's coalition and if he loses support among them he is in trouble.

[we can do it]

78. Could the nonstop dithering and dissing the Biden / Harris ticket be the cause? It sure as hell makes sense.

[totodeinhere]

82. I am not sure what the causes are but

I do know that the Biden campaign needs to get on top of this as quickly as possible.

[Moosepoop]

90. To clarify further...

What I heard her say was that there HAD BEEN a 30% drop in support among black women, but what had TURNED THAT AROUND was Kamala Harris. Therefore, any effort to replace Biden as the nominee that also bypassed Harris would anger this voting bloc and be a very harmful move to the Democratic campaign in general.

[Polly Hennessey]

102. Thank you. Context is everything. Why would he be

losing black women? What did he do that so offended them? It’s getting crazy out there folks.

[mucholderthandirt]

137. Well, let's be honest here.

if we are even losing Rachel Maddow

We never actually had her to begin with. The media says what their bosses, the oligarchs, tells them to say. For us, against us, whatever feeds the news cycle. Maddow is no different. Any of them will flip on a dime, if that's a dime that goes in their pockets.

[SamuelTheThird]

45. Polls were accurate in 2022

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/2022-election-polling-accuracy/

[asm128]

74. No, they weren't.

https://fortune.com/2022/11/16/pollsters-got-it-wrong-2018-2020-elections-statistical-sophistry-accuracy-sonnenfeld-tian/

538 is just attempting to show that they didn't completely mess-up

[SamuelTheThird]

88. Behind a paywall

Maybe you could paste a bit of it

[DiamondShark]

129. For your viewing pleasure.

https://archive.is/mBoWi

[wnylib]

79. Oh really? With their prediction of a red wave that didn't happen?

[krawhitham]

138. Could it be polling vs media bias

The polling never predicted a red wave (it did predict them slightly ahead) but the media talked about a red wave non stop

Current polling show Joe is within the margin of error with 538 even giving Joe a slight advantage, but the media is talking non stop about Joe getting crushed

[dwayneb]

101. It's how people use polls that is stupid

You can't take any individual poll and draw a conclusion. But when you look at the aggregate of many polls, and you toss out the outliers, polls are generally pretty accurate. That's the methodology of Real Clear Politics and in the last race they were with a couple of percentage points.

[Renew Deal]

2. Didn't see that video, but I'd like to.

[hume]

3. MSNBC is full time Biden bashing.

I don' t get it. But it is disgusting and I can't watch it anymore.

[orangecrush]

4. 4 months out

And we've lost already.

And Rachel.

WTF is going on?

[FarPoint]

21. Yes, the Democrats of leadership are nullifying our Primary choice...

I think Biden will choose to stay...it's really President's Biden choice to stay or step down.... This should be resolved in a few days I think; stay or go.... This COVID is not helping ...

I stand with Biden...

[bdamomma]

52. I stand

with Biden too. He should not be treated this way.

[FarPoint]

94. Democratic leadership has dissapointed me and all of us over the years...

I believe this is the most irrational, incompetent muck-up they have ever done for two reasons.... It's too late to change bus drivers now as the Primaries are over, we selected Joe Biden....and we only have about 100 days to defeat tRump....No replacement even volunteering...makes no sense...

[PortTack]

8. Can't and don't! Why not turn it off?! The onlthing that will change the m$m narrative is for their ratings to tank

[FloridaBlues]

13. Turn it off until real news comes on not her wishes

[Frasier Balzov]

36. Ratings are probably already down.

Democrats don't want to watch Republicans throwing themselves a party.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. I just turned on CNN and they had Gabby Giffords husband.

He was saying that Joe Biden should dig a hole and hide in it because he didn’t contact someone? Did anybody catch it. I hope I misheard.

[Pachamama]

60. No - MSNBC was not Biden Bashing

They were reporting on many issues - one including reports about Sen Schumer and Minority leader Jeffries having a talk with President Biden and other reports.

[yorkster]

92. Yes. Joe and Mika support Joe and Lawrence

has been great. But most of the daytime hosts have been nonstop either insinuating or downright Biden bashing.
And Rachel started down that path on debate night. Nicolle has been steadily pushing this with buddy Claire McCaskill.

[ALBliberal]

5. As much as I respect her

I don’t really watch her specifically anymore. Just a llittle? too in depth for me.

[LisaL]

11. They are paying so much attention to the stupid polls, it's ridiculous.

If polls were accurate, Hillary would have been elected president.
These polls aren't written in stone. People do not pick up their phone form unknown numbers.

[Trekologer]

29. 2016 polls were within the margin of error

I don't know if this is accurate but if... IF... it is, that would represent a significant breakdown of a vital constituency that Biden absolutely cannot afford to lose. Biden has been battling back from the debate performance but I believe that he took too long to do so, which only fed into the narrative that he isn't up for it anymore.

[gab13by13]

20. She basically semi-retired

and is now an author and history teacher.

[rubbersole]

6. It sure feels like it.

They are anointing Kamala Harris. Weird. Didn't see this happening today.

[BootinUp]

7. So they will allow the fascist regime to take over. Fuking nonsense.

[onandup]

9. Did Rachel say

the only way to turn this around is if Harris leads the ticket?

[msongs]

22. in regards to the poll of black women and regaining their vote, yes nt

[onandup]

25. Holy sheet

nt

[shrike3]

67. What was the poll, who took it, and what were the particulars?

This is the first I've heard of a big drop among black women.

Someone needs to tell Maxine Waters, I guess.

[SharonClark]

108. I found the poll.

A “survey” by The Cut which looks like it’s in New York magazine.

It’s a depressing read and hard for me to believe.

[Bev54]

118. It is a bit depressing and the fact that 21% of them are unlikely to vote

is disturbing as well, who are they, hopefully they are Trump supporters. I was surprised at the RFK Jr support higher than West.

[Bev54]

81. FFS she is on the ticket, they will still be voting for her. I sure would like to know what the questions were

and how they broke them down. So many conclusions reported are not necessarily what the actual poll shows when broken down.

[we can do it]

10. Does it take a genius to see why that may be? (Cmon Rach)

You fuck up the ticket you lose support - JFC

[Blue Full Moon]

12. Polls are slanted toward the answer that the pollster wants

[LisaL]

15. And easily manipulated to get the numbers that the pollster wants.

NT

[Hekate]

14. No. Rachel is reporting facts as she has researched them and as she understands them....

Right?

[LisaL]

17. Polls are not facts.

NT

[Hekate]

38. Dr Maddow is one of the deepest researchers in the tv-media world that I know of

[shrike3]

68. Did she mention the name of the poll? This is out of left field.

First I've heard of it anywhere. You think the NYT and WaPo would be all over it.

[Celerity]

109. they do internal polls all the time

[SharonClark]

111. See reply 108

[Deminpenn]

42. Well, as much as a white person can

no matter how empathetic and educated she might be.

[Hekate]

62. Lesbian, too. Don't forget she's one of those white married Lesbians who went to an elite university

…and got an elite degree.

[Deminpenn]

71. You really think she can relate to the

American AfAm experience? When I read Taylor Branch's trilogy on MLK and the civil rights movement, I was shocked at how little I knew about AfAm culture. And I lived through that era and paid close attention to the news both broadcast and print and current events were a frequent topic of discussion at our house.

[Hekate]

103. Do you really think that people cannot "relate to" groups unlike their own? That Dr Maddow, for instance...,

…really is only capable of empathizing with and accurately studying only other women, and only those who are white, Lesbian, childless, middle aged, and highly educated?

Hmmm. Tell me more. Do tell me more.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. We're going to need a bigger bus...

[Hekate]

65. Well-spotted

[shrike3]

64. I'd like to see this poll she quoted. Have seen absolutely none which says a 30 percent drop

in support from black women. Did she mention its name?

[SharonClark]

112. See reply 108

[shrike3]

136. Poster 4 heard a completely different comment by Rachel, which makes this all quite confusing.

[Midnight Writer]

16. Coverage of the Republican National Convention, where they are plotting a fascist takeover,

and all the news is about getting rid of Joe.

Bizzaro World.

[shrike3]

24. Yep. Most important thing on earth, apparently.

[Lovie777]

18. Pres Biden still has strong support....

Of black women.

Enough.

[SunSeeker]

19. What time did she say that? At around the time you posted your OP?

I have it on DVR and can wind back. I don't recall hearing anything like that.

[shrike3]

27. Could you post and clarify for us? Very strange statement.

[msongs]

28. sorry, did not have my stop watch running.... :-)

[Xavier Breath]

40. 9:32 ET. n/t

[SunSeeker]

95. Thanks. So she said a poll came out today showing Biden down 30% among black women.

I tried Google and can't find any such poll.

[Xavier Breath]

96. Yeah, she initially said 31 points then later said 30.

Not that there's any real difference, both figures would be a catastrophe if true.

[SunSeeker]

98. Were you able to find any such poll? It makes no sense...

[Xavier Breath]

100. I didn't look. n/t

[SunSeeker]

106. Well I did look and couldn't find anything that even remotely said that.

I would think it would have made headlines if such a poll came out.

I am starting to think Rachel misspoke, or we all heard her incorrectly.

[Xavier Breath]

107. Ok.

[SunSeeker]

123. Turns out I was Googling polls, when what Rachel was referring to was a "survey."

No idea what a "survey" means or if it applied standard polling techniques.

But this is what Rachel was apparently referring to:

https://www.thecut.com/article/black-women-biden-kamala-harris-survey-july-2024.html

I am thinking people unhappy with the status quo were more likely to respond, hence the high Trump and RFK Jr. numbers. But it doesn't make sense regardless. Only 50% supported nationwide legalization of abortion. That cannot be right. A May 2024 Pew poll found 73% of black respondents support abortion in most or all cases. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ 

Not clear if they had done a similar "survey" in 2020, since they are not comparing it to one of their prior surveys, but rather 2020 exit polls that showed 95% of black women voted for Biden, so kinda comparing apples to oranges (registered voters to actual voters).

[SharonClark]

110. See reply 108

[SunSeeker]

119. Found it. Yes, very depressing. And seems wrong, compared to other polls..

Last edited Thu Jul 18, 2024, 01:06 AM - Edit history (3)

And it was taken before the debate.

https://www.thecut.com/article/black-women-biden-kamala-harris-survey-july-2024.html


I don't know what kind of "survey" it was, but I am thinking people unhappy with the status quo are more likely to respond, hence the high Trump and RFK Jr. numbers. But it doesn't make sense regardless. Only 50% supported nationwide legalization of abortion. That cannot be right. A May 2024 Pew poll found 73% of black respondents support abortion in most or all cases. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ And I don't know why The Cut calls it a survey as opposed to a poll, and whether normal polling techniques were applied.

[SharonClark]

115. See reply 108

[dweller]

121. Why don't you just tell us

What post 108 says ?
I looked for 5 minutes trying to find it as this thread is allll over the place



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[SunSeeker]

122. The link is not in Post 108 either, just the name of the publication (The Cut, of NY Magazine).

Once I had the name I was able to find the article. It does not appear to be a traditional poll but some sort of "survey," whatever that means. Not clear if they had done a similar survey in 2020, since they are not comparing it to one of their prior surveys, but rather 2020 exit polls that showed 95% of black women voted for Biden, so kinda comparing apples to oranges.

https://www.thecut.com/article/black-women-biden-kamala-harris-survey-july-2024.html

[radical noodle]

134. Here's the difference between

a poll and a survey.

https://www.questionpro.com/polls/poll-vs-survey.html

[SunSeeker]

139. That doesn't really answer the question. They both basically say it's asking people questions, usually online.

I have no idea what the methodology was.

[shrike3]

23. That is just plain weird. Thirty percent drop in support from black women? Insane.

[bigtree]

37. not just weird

...downright unbelievable, as in I don't believe any of it.


that's a pattern in these polls. it's a tell, like three arms on a person in an ai photo.

Link to tweet

[shrike3]

39. I saw this already, but thanks for reposting it.

[NoveltySocks]

91. So this poll had just 17 Black respondents vs. 638 white ones?

Am I reading that right? If so, wowwwwwww

[Polybius]

105. I'm seeing it in real life too

In the business I'm in, I talk to a huge amount of Democrats. I ask every one of them their opinion on this.

[DiamondShark]

130. I always wondered where you were getting your info from...

Didn't expect it from a media reach company.

[Polybius]

133. On this issue, I see a huge difference between DU and the Democrats I talk to every day

I have no idea why the difference is so large.

[Melon]

70. How does that even happen? Why wouldn't it be in every demographic?

[shrike3]

76. Check out post #41, What I thought was a reasonable explanation.

[Melon]

87. Got it. Thank you.

[bigtree]

31. really a warped sense of her influence

...their ratings are down I heard.

[BigmanPigman]

61. They ARE down.....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219144922

"MSNBC ratings tanked last week. Oops"

"MSNBC this past week had its worst ratings of the year, which is not good news considering that it’s a time of crisis…Americans have decided at least for a week that they are not crisis managers, but in my opinion because they are crisis manufacturers.

“MSNBC’s primetime lineup averaged 912,000 total viewers and 77,000 viewers in the A25-54 demo for respective drops of -29% and -47% compared to the week prior. In total day, the network averaged 569,000 total viewers and 56,000 demo viewers. That translates to week-to-week declines of -26% and -33% in both measured categories.
MSNBC remained in third place in total primetime viewers and fell from ninth to 28th place in the demo. During total day, it was the No. 2 network in total viewers and dropped from eighth to 20th place in the demo, tied with BET.

That’s what happens when they talk to use like we are stupid. What it also suggests to me is that voters aren’t turning Biden out, they are tuning the media out."

[Irish_Dem]

32. My brain hurts. I am going to bed.

[bdamomma]

56. Night

Irish_Dem Rest easy.

[Irish_Dem]

131. Thanks bdamomma.

[Deminpenn]

33. Yet outside of Jeffries,

I haven't heard of any AfAm leaders calling for Biden to step down.

If Joy Reid or Sharpton said that, I'd give it credibility because they are in touch with those voters. Maddow, a youngish white woman living the yuppie life in western Mass, isn't.

[Cha]

63. What's your source for Jeffries calling for Pres Biden to step down?

he did a 180 from this on Jully 8th?

Link to tweet

[Deminpenn]

77. The OPs about the e letter he sent and the meeting

with Biden.

[Cha]

86. Well here's Pres Biden's answer..

Link to tweet

[flamingdem]

34. Building a case on gossip and bad polls

Disgraceful. Jamie put them in their place

[dweller]

35. So they do a poll

And it included 10 black D women , and 3 said blah blah … not what the other 7 said ?

Do I have the gist of this shit right ?





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[SharonClark]

114. No, see reply 108

[Pachamama]

41. No - she pointed out info that shows that dropping Kamala Harris from ticket would hurt Biden

[LisaL]

43. Who is talking about dropping Kamala from the ticket?

[Pachamama]

47. The discussion was around the topic of should there be a situation in which Harris was not put to top of ticket

Watch the discussion

[shrike3]

69. That makes more sense. There HAS been slight chatter about dropping Harris.

This notion of a drop in support from black women is so shocking, you'd think it'd be a screaming headline in the NYT and WaPo.

[SunSeeker]

97. I did, and Rachel said a poll out today had Biden down 30% among black women.

Then she suggests that putting Harris on the top of the ticket would turn that around, to the approving nod of Joy Reed.

But I can't find any such poll, let alone one that came out today.

[JI7]

55. Well, that's totally different from what the OP says

[Pachamama]

58. Ops should have to require a video and also refer to what it is

The assumption that we all should know Rachel means Rachel Maddow on MSNBC live at that moment and that everyone is watching is just confusing. I also would prefer referring to our President as such and not “Joe”.

And no - Rachel Maddow was not bashing/trashing President Biden

[Emile]

44. The media wants a Trump victory.

[CoopersDad]

48. If Harris were to become the nominee, Trump would poop his pants.

I'm with Joe but if he decides to put his VP in the race, I'll be right there with him supporting that move.

[SamuelTheThird]

50. Trump would be too terrified to debate Harris

That would be a great ad- Trump can't debate Harris

He'll do another debate with Biden, though. And everyone can see the risk in that.

[shrike3]

89. Oh really? Thanks for your input.

And you don't speak for us.

[SamuelTheThird]

93. Ok, wrong phrasing

[we can do it]

49. Nah she buried MSNBC

[Bev54]

51. I would like to see that poll and I would like to know who they polled. What the breakdown is

Did they poll 3 black women? Because some of these polls are pretty poorly done and not representative of what they claim.

[SharonClark]

116. See reply 108

[BigmanPigman]

57. Turn M$M OFF!!!!!!!

I refuse to listen to this BS. Biden is going to win and all of these fucking hypocrites will not gain viewers back! M$NBC ratings are DOWN yet they do not care about ratings and $$$. This doesn't make sense. WTF!?!?

I watched 30 seconds of news today since I am made myself a very real promise,weeks ago...to NOT watch them. It is a matter of principle and self respect. Also, 8 years of this BS non-stop anxiety is not healthy for anyone. People want "normal" and not continue a rise on the "crazy train". Americans have had enough and if the M$M continues this they will be buried by viewers and subscribers. Good riddance NYTimes, CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, etc. Even Lawrence is on thin ice so I monitor the show and as soon as BS is spoken I change the channel.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219144922

[hume]

66. I lost interest with Chris Hayes.

Out of nowhere he bashes Biden. Sick of it

[shrike3]

73. He pushed the Tara Reade story way back when.

I believe his brother or a relative worked for Bernie. I mean, they're allowed to have opinions. I keep those opinions in mind whilst I watched.

[Blue Full Moon]

59. So 30% of about 8% is going to cause the election to be thrown. I am sure that tRump will really care about them.

[standingtall]

72. Roland Martin discussed the problems with recent polls of African Americans

One of his guest said fewer than 100 African Americans were polled per State. If there really is a 30% drop in African American women than Biden couldn't win, but I don't think it's true and also don't think polls having Trump getting 20 to 25% of African Americans are anywhere close to accurate. Trump would be lucky 12%. The bigger danger is they don't turnout.

[Lovie777]

83. Black women will vote ... x

They know the importance in the past as well as now. We are young, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, sisters, great grandmothers and friends.

Enough.

[mzmolly]

84. Who's paying for these polls? Trump?

WTF.

[Patton French]

85. No. NT

[ucrdem]

99. She disrupted poorly.

[Klarkashton]

104. By now they have all resigned themselves to trump

But for them the bright side is they have at least 4 more years of rant content. Fuck the whole thing.

[Demsrule86]

113. I can't deal with anymore of these threads...trashing... you know I love you msongs but sick of this.

Biden is the presumptive nominee and will be the nominee. This just hurts our chances of winning the General.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

117. 'Go out and talk about Joe Biden!' DNC chair spits fire at MSNBC over polling anxiety

I watched this clip and I am not worried

Link to tweet

https://www.rawstory.com/jaime-harrison-rachel-maddow/

Democratic National Committee Chair Jaime Harrison was fired up for President Joe Biden despite an MSNBC host suggesting he could not win in 2024......

Harrison responded to Maddow's concerns a few moments later.

"And what we have to do is instead of having people get on TV and start talking about what Joe Biden needs to leave, talk about what Joe Biden has done and what he will continue to do!" he exclaimed. "If Joe Biden is elected and we are able to wipe out medical debt, I can tell you in the Black community, in my family, how transformational that will be."

"On the [Republican] side, we have these people who are talking about ripping away people's freedoms and their rights," he noted. "I just want people to step back and just think about where we are."

The DNC chair then delivered a message that seemed to be directed at Maddow.

"If you want the polls to go up, then hell, go out and talk about Joe Biden!" he said. "Talk about the good that he has done for this country and have his back like he has had our back for these past four years."

[LookingGlassOnion]

120. Rachel works to make profit for MSNBC share holders. Many of whom are Trump supporters. n/t

[Hekate]

124. Have not ever listened to any of her podcasts, have you? Not followed her career, hm?

[LookingGlassOnion]

125. No. I do not consume products or media that enrich Trump supporting shareholders.

Rachel is pretty far to the right.

[Hekate]

126. ROFLMAO. OMGWTF

[LookingGlassOnion]

132. Watching MSNBC makes Trump supporters richer and more powerful. n/t

[radical noodle]

135. If you don't watch her

whatever makes you come to the conclusion that she's "pretty far to the right"? She's actually pretty far to the left and has been as long as I've been following her (a very long time, btw).

While she (and others) at MSNBC may talk sometimes about polls and things we may wish she didn't, the evening opinion shows primarily spend most of their time tearing down trump. I am not sure why you're so determined to get Democrats to turn on some of their biggest supporters.

[bob4460]

127. I imagine that a lot of people have quit watching the MSM newscast and opinion shows.

I am tired of the hand wringing,click bait type of news casting that is popular right now so I turned it all off!

[moniss]

128. Keep in mind that she along with all the others can

say whatever claim they want to. Truth is another matter.