New: Nancy Pelosi privately told Biden in a recent conversation that polling shows that the president cannot defeat Trum

[Yorkie Mom]

New: Nancy Pelosi privately told Biden in a recent conversation that polling shows that the president cannot defeat Trump and that Biden could destroy Democrats’ chances of winning the House in November if he continues seeking a 2nd term, sources tell me @jamiegangel @jeffzeleny

Biden responded by pushing back and being defensive about the polls, telling Pelosi he has seen polls that indicate he can win. At one point, Pelosi asked Mike Donilon, Biden’s longtime adviser, to get on the line to talk over the data.

This phone call would mark the second known conversation between Pelosi and Biden since the June 27 debate.

One source described it as being within the last week. Pelosi and Biden also spoke in early July.

WH response to this CNN reporting, from Andrew Bates:

“President Biden is the nominee of the party. He plans to win, and looks forward to working with congressional Democrats to pass his 100 days agenda to help working families.”

A Pelosi spokesperson told CNN that Pelosi has been in California since Friday and she has not spoken to Biden since.

Pelosi privately told Biden polls show he cannot win and will take down the House; Biden responded with defensiveness w/ @jamiegangel @jeffzeleny

Link to tweet

MJ Lee @mj_lee
CNN Senior White House Correspondent

Update with article:

Pelosi privately told Biden polls show he cannot win and will take down the House; Biden responded with defensiveness

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi privately told President Joe Biden in a recent conversation that polling shows that the president cannot defeat Donald Trump and that Biden could destroy Democrats’ chances of winning the House in November if he continues seeking a second term, according to four sources briefed on the call.

The president responded by pushing back, telling Pelosi he has seen polls that indicate he can win, one source said. Another one of the sources described Biden as getting defensive about the polls. At one point, Pelosi asked Mike Donilon, Biden’s longtime adviser, to get on the line to talk over the data.

This phone call would mark the second known conversation between the California lawmaker and Biden since the president’s disastrous debate on June 27. While the exact date of the conversation was not clear, one source described it as being within the last week. Pelosi and Biden also spoke in early July.

None of the sources indicated whether Pelosi told Biden in this conversation that she believes the president should drop out of the 2024 race.

More: https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-biden-conversation/index.html

[pansypoo53219]

1. ITS SUMMER. SHIT DOESN'T GET REAL YET! STFU.

[Deek1935]

26. Polls are completely NON-PREDICTIVE and ESPECIALLY don't mean a FUCKING thing this far out. It's all SHIT.

[MistakenLamb]

51. Dukakis lead Bush by 17 points this time in 1988

[Ocelot II]

2. So "sources tell me" what was said in that private conversation between Pelosi and Biden?

[WA-03 Democrat]

7. I love sources are saying reports

In other news someone has farted

[wnylib]

34. My thoughts exactly. PRIVATE call. "Unnamed sources.

So what is the message and purpose of such unsubstantiated claims? Why do they get posted here?

[elleng]

3. but it's bologna.

[Prairie Gates]

17. It's OK to just say baloney, I promise

The people of Bologna will thank you.



(I mean, it's bad enough y'all turned our beautiful mortadella into that disgusting "baloney." Please spare our beautiful city name).

[elleng]

19. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

THANKS for the laugh! MALARKEY!!!

[Prairie Gates]

22. Thanks for being a good sport

We need more of you here!!

[wiggs]

4. 'sources'. Not possible that she would say trump cannot be beaten by biden. She may have said

that if biden cannot demonstrate better health that it is likely trump could win, but to say at this point Biden cannot beat trump doesn't sound right.

[Klarkashton]

5. Then nobody else can either. So WTF?

This is a nightmare.

[texasfiddler]

6. Sources say I'm going to win the lottery tomorrow

[wnylib]

38. People are saying.....

Whatever happened to solid sources and factual OPs on DU?

I'm beyond tired of gossipy threads with baseless claims.

[wryter2000]

43. Sources tell me

That if you win, you're terribly attractive. Want to hook up?

[Bev54]

8. So despite the denials from the WH and Pelosi camp, CNN just continues with their

own narrative.

[Yorkie Mom]

9. Did Pelosi deny this reporting?

I'd love a link if you have it.

[Bev54]

10. Her camp said she had not spoken to him as she is in SF but that does not stop them.

They certainly did not get any confirmation.

[Fiendish Thingy]

23. Pelosi did not deny talking to Biden about this

She only said she hadn’t talked to him since Friday.

That’s not a denial, and the reporting is quite detailed, including who else was on the call.

[Bev54]

31. It is also not a confirmation and most of the reporting is that the leaders talked to him

over the weekend.

[Fiendish Thingy]

46. That was Schumer and Jeffries, they are the leaders

Pelosi still has a lot of wisdom and clout, but she’s not a leader any more.

[Irish_Dem]

49. I would love to see this denial from her camp.

Do you have a link?

[58Sunliner]

18. .....

[Metaphorical]

27. Even if she denied it,

the media would continue running with this.

Personally, I think this is a sign that the corporate media are beginning to become very nervous that Biden MIGHT defeat Trump. The SOTU was a shot across the bow, something they weren't expecting, and they seized on Biden's performance (perhaps showing the first signs of Covid?) at the debate to bring out the big guns.

We keep thinking that Biden SHOULD be winning at this point, but from where I'm sitting, all the the polls tell me is that despite the massive amount of mudslinging, Biden is holding his own. We haven't had the Dem convention yet, the GOP convention has been a shitshow, and yet Biden is holding his own.

There's also more good news - Cannon is no longer in charge of the Trump document case and Jack Smith is taking it to the appeals court, Trump will be sentenced in early September JUST as early voting starts, and there are new indictments regarding destruction of electronic evidence that are turning into another criminal case. Oh, and Trump keeps falling asleep on national TV at his own convention, further undermining the narrative.

[Celerity]

11. Neither Schumer or Jeffries denied the reports, and we shall see if Pelosi does.

[Yorkie Mom]

16. I agree.

It seems these reports are coming fast and furious.

[Celerity]

25. just wait until after the Rethug Convention ends today (I'm in Sweden, so it is the 18th already), unfortunately

[wnylib]

40. Schumer and Jeffries said that they delivered to Biden the

views of their caucuses. Presumably that would mean a breakdown of the views that include both pro and anti Biden members of Congress.

Hardly sounds to me like a call for Biden to step down.

[Celerity]

44. Time will tell, I have no idea how any of this will turn out. I do think if they were all in for Biden, the would say so

like AOC, Fetterman, Sanders, the CBC, etc etc did.

[wnylib]

48. And if the majority were against Biden, that would be reported, too.

The fact is that we do not know WHAT was said. And yet speculation is being reported, accepted, and spread as fact.

[Bitbit]

53. Schumer has denied it

Actually it was his office spokesperson speaking for Schumer. He said “ Unless you hear these words come from Chuck Schumer or President Biden, consider it IDLE SPECULATION.

Source: Forbes


(My opinion is, these office leaks, unnamed sources, anonymous reports, etc. are all media made up drama for ratings. So far, ABC and CNN have been the most prolific offenders for starting rumors and other outlets print without verification.)

[Celerity]

54. that's not a denial, it leaves wiggle room intact, as opposed to a definitive 'that's false, he never said it' statement

[kansasobama]

12. Sources say unless I get younger, I could

Die someday.

[multigraincracker]

13. If Biden can't, who can?

They always seem to leave that out.

Anyone who claims he should drop out, please tell us who can beat TFG. If you don’t have the name of can Stu.

[58Sunliner]

14. Why are we posting some many consistently negative stories?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Yorkie Mom]

24. "We" are a Democrat who loves her party and has seen nothing like this in her life time. And... it's news

that affects us all and our children if "we" have them.

Just because "we" don't like a news report doesn't make it not true. "We" believe things should be discussed openly instead of swept under the rug or pretend it doesn't exist. "We" learned a long time ago that "we" can't will something to exist or not exist. This new is all over the tv and internet. Should it not be discussed here on Democratic Underground?

[Keepthesoulalive]

32. How does this help us move forward

We’re gossiping about something none of us are privy to, until someone from our party says Joe should step down and we have a replacement that can win. We are just amplifying the media pile on . Worthless polls and anonymous sources are not helpful and for many it is depressing and demoralizing.

[58Sunliner]

33. This is a site for supporting Dems. Not anonymous sources. YMMV.

Have a pleasant evening.

[Yorkie Mom]

37. No kidding! I've been around a while.

You have yourself a pleasant evening.

[ImNotGod]

15. Sources told me I have a million in my bank account, imma pretty excited. nt

[Abolishinist]

20. I'm excited as well,

you can finally pay back the $100,000 you owe me!

[kansasobama]

29. Or send campaign funds to

Adam Schiff, Tester, and other Dems who back stabbed Joe. It is okay. It is as per sources.

[wryter2000]

45. Some are saying

That I could be up for a Nobel prize. The sources didn't say for what.

[Deek1935]

21. ENOUGH of the "polls polls polls" BULLSHIT. Polls are NON-PREDICTIVE especially 4 months out. It is all SHIT.

[Celerity]

47. they do a tonne of internal polling, so it appears the leadership and the campaign do not share your contempt for polls

[RockRaven]

28. So get to work, and get the votes.

It is the height of arrogance to assume that the party insiders can themselves pick someone after shoving Biden out the back door and have that person win. Even if they have a poll indicating it would be so.

[Emile]

30. I don't know about Nancy, but I have Joe's back.

[doc03]

35. They would call this hearsay in court. nt

[lees1975]

36. Confirm the source and provide evidence of such a conversation.

Otherwise, you are spreading rumors and are incredibly incompetent and unprofessional as a journalist. You should be fired.

And no, the parties involved in these alleged discussions do not have to prove otherwise. Staying silent and not acknowledging them is the best way to defend against this kind of crap.

Shades of 2016 and the Russian interference against Hillary Clinton. This sounds sooo much like that.

[Wednesdays]

39. ...

[wryter2000]

41. And Joe Biden told her she was wrong

See how that works?

[Yorkie Mom]

42. Yes, he did!

[bigtree]

50. so after weeks of bashing him the Dem leadership sees a shift in the polls

...are they really this stupid?

[Sunsky]

52. Propaganda

I'm done with the MSM and their ghost sources. If people can't talk with their big chests then they need to stfu. The MSM has an agenda to divide and demoralize the Democratic base. I can't wait for the convention. I don't believe it will be contentious. I believe a few days before the convention begins we'll hear about calls for unity.

[travelingthrulife]

55. Polls? Polls?

This is what they are basing their hysteria on?

[Alice B.]

56. Someone shared this in a FB group I'm in.

I had to point out: more anonymous sources and they can't even identify when this conversation happened.

I've never really used my journalism degree but I still feel like I need to see more attribution before this stops feeling like we're being played.