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philf99

(274 posts)
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:05 AM Jul 2024

Politics is often about a narrative

In 2012 President Obama’s campaign effectively portrayed Romney as out of touch with ordinary Americans. The narrative stuck and Obama was reelected. Amen

The current narrative on President Biden is he is too old to be president. Is it correct? NO Is it fair? NO Shouldn’t they be looking at the other guy? YES

But the only question that needs to be answered is how do you change the narrative? Outside of replacing President Biden with a younger candidate how do you change the narrative? Because unfortunately and unfairly this narrative has stuck.

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philf99

(274 posts)
4. What polls are you looking at?
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:21 AM
Jul 2024

Almost every poll I have seen Biden is slipping.

I love Joe Biden, he has been a good president and is a great man. This has absolutely nothing to do with Biden. If trump and the Magat get control of the government our country is over.

Whatever we decide has to be the RIGHT decision. Again how do you change the Narrative?

BootinUp

(51,030 posts)
8. The best known poll aggregator and
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:32 AM
Jul 2024

Election forecaster is at abc / 538 politics. They have Biden’s forecast improving based on polls plus fundamentals.

JI7

(93,360 posts)
3. We can't really change the part about him being old
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:14 AM
Jul 2024

and showing signs of aging.

What we can do is focus on showing the experience has helped him accomplish many things. That him aging is a result of his working hard as President instead of spending all his time being loaded and dragged around in Golf cart.

philf99

(274 posts)
5. Is that going to work?
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:25 AM
Jul 2024

Failure is not an option.

Unfortunately the media has painted this picture of him being too old. I agree it’s not fair.

I don’t see a better answer

ITAL

(1,279 posts)
7. The drip drip
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:31 AM
Jul 2024

I think the drip drip of Democrats asking for Biden to end his campaign has only kept it alive. If ten days ago they'd rallied behind him en masse, I think this would have largely (though not entirely) gone away by now. The polling isn't that bad given the drumbeat of "will he or won't he" that's been nearly constant. Fundamentals would point to a Biden win, but dangling the possibility he might step away for a younger replacement has hurt him in the polls. I still think people would come back to him if there were no other option, but the chance that there will be is sucking him down....which in turn makes the Democratic poo bahs scared...which gets in the press...which hurts Biden....thus making the loop feed on itself.

philf99

(274 posts)
10. It's not going away
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:38 AM
Jul 2024

I think we all understand that stakes in this election are high too high and failure is not an option.

The media is driving this narrative. It’s not right but it has stuck.

Trekologer

(1,078 posts)
16. Even if there wasn't the drip, drip, drip of people popping up the media would be focusing on his age
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:54 AM
Jul 2024

Instead of reporting on policies or positions, they'd be reporting on how he looked or sounded, covering and any every verbal and physical stumble. Being sidelined by COVID for a couple days is only going to drive that further.

JI7

(93,360 posts)
13. Hillary easily won all 3 debates. We can never be sure something will work or be enough
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:45 AM
Jul 2024

with all the bs we deal with the media and right wing shit.

I'm just saying something we can try doing in response to that concern.

BootinUp

(51,030 posts)
6. I missed the part in the current narrative
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:27 AM
Jul 2024

Where sane people choose to give up to Trump because Biden the incumbent is getting old.

philf99

(274 posts)
9. From my observation
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:33 AM
Jul 2024

The media has created this narrative.

Can’t tell you how many times I have heard or seen he’s to old. Not saying I believe but I think way too many have and some of those are persuadable voters

BootinUp

(51,030 posts)
11. Biden put on a master class hour long
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:39 AM
Jul 2024

Press conference 1 week ago. He will repeat those strong performances and other appearances when he is medically cleared. This ticket is going to slaughter Trump.

peggysue2

(12,441 posts)
17. Yes, because that's the genuine narrative
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:55 AM
Jul 2024

The frightening and grotesque nature of a second Trump Administration run without guardrails and/or people to temper the crazy but instead headed by white Christian Nationalists, Theocrats and a Praetorian Guard of Proud Boys, Threes Percenters et al., all hell-bent on installing a fascist state and imposing their minority viewpoint on the majority.

That's what we're fighting. That's the f*cking narrative!

NoveltySocks

(415 posts)
14. Trump is the same age, basically
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:46 AM
Jul 2024

I know there's technically two or three years difference, but it doesn't really matter. They don't really talk about that though, which is weird.

philf99

(274 posts)
15. I agree
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 10:51 AM
Jul 2024

It’s not fair and it’s not right.

Just my two a younger candidate brings a generational contrast. Like Obama vs McCain

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