Looks like VP Harris will be our nominee

[DemocracyWorks]

Nothing has been set in stone yet but after what we heard on last night and top Dems going to Biden directly saying he can’t win I think Biden may soon drop out. This may not be coming just from donors. I don’t think he withstand this kind of pressure and plus Obama, Hillary, and Bill being silent is a hint. I will support VP Harris because Biden I believe will give her the resources to win.

[XanaDUer2]

1. He's being treated like shit nt

[LuckyCharms]

15. Yep. It's sickening.

[Greybnk48]

29. When Biden got off the plane last night in DE, I wanted him to flip everyone the bird and say Go

FUCK YOURSELVES! Every one of you foaming at the mouth hacks in the press.

I thought Chris Hayes' head was going to explode last night from the heat generated by his attack on Biden.

I am so disappointed with the laser focus on Biden and almost nothing about Trump sleeping every night at the convention, and his picking a mentally ill, completely inexperienced running mate. OR the FACT that there's no way Trump was shot with a bullet. It was most likely debris. The people who were grazed are critical, and one's dead. But "nicked by debris" won't sell those $299 high top sneakers, or the idea that an "angel" protected him.

[Towlie]

49. If Trump wins we'll ALL be treated like shit (except the oligarchs).

[hamsterjill]

59. Trump will win

If anyone else runs except for Biden.

[XanaDUer2]

65. I think Trump will win

I don't think non-MAGA understand the stakes. Like, life as you know it will end. Goodbye SSDI Medicare, and SS. Millions again wo Healthcare. Corporations running our lives. Women returned to chattal.

[hamsterjill]

71. Truth.

And the Democrats will continue to let it happen.

[Towlie]

78. Show us your evidence.

RE: "Trump will win If anyone else runs except for Biden."

Please show us your evidence to support that claim.

[hamsterjill]

81. The goddamn evidence is 2016

You remember that, right? When everyone said there was no way he would win???!!!

[beaglelover]

109. They can't. It's all feelings.

[hamsterjill]

135. Most voters choose by their feelings

If that’s not true, please provide evidence to the contrary.

[Bilbo Baggins]

181. The Only One That Can Beat Trump Is:

A DEMOCRAT!!!!!

[Bobstandard]

182. Not only will Trump win

We’ll lose the Senate and House too. If Biden gets kicked off the ticket by Democrtic Party insiders it will be a betrayal of epic proportions. I’ll vote the ticket but I’ll be holding my nose.

I think some significant of the base will feel so betrayed that they’ll stay home. After all, it’s pretty obvious that while we might not win with Joe, we’ll definitely lose without him.

Given the obvious truth of that last statement, many in the base will make decisions like these:‘We can’t win now so why bother voting at all.’ Or, ‘if you think you can select a new candidate without input from me, screw you. I’ll withhold my vote.’ It won’t take many to tip the balance

Kamala would make a great President but the country’s racism and misogyny won’t let that happen. Who else ya got?

And can we again point to the more reliable polls indicating Joe doing better than just weeks ago? We’ve got no alternative that polls anywhere close.

[hamsterjill]

134. I agree

It’s one of those things that makes me go “hmmmm” as Arsenio Hall used to say.

You know that, and I know that. So why is the leadership not savvy enough to see that? Is there some underlying reason why they want to get rid of the only candidate who has a chance of beating Trump?

I don’t know the answer. But it’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot the last week, and I don’t like the possibilities that my mind keeps seeing.

[634-5789]

131. Here's a 'way'.....

Biden lets Kamala run for Prez. Biden takes the VP spot.

[FloridaBlues]

155. This is in jest right?

[634-5789]

190. Not in jest. Grasping at straws.

In the last 2 days, I have NEVER seen so many ideas floated. For my 2 cents, I would have loved to see Kamala and Joe switch places. Also saw: Newsom, Michelle Obama, etc...etc... It's up in the air. When Schiff questioned Biden's decision, that ramped up the flurry. It's wait and see. RTegardless if it's Joe or a sack of gerbils, I'm voting Blue all the way thru, like I have since 1968/ end

[Galraedia]

178. Why not just make Obama the VP?

[634-5789]

189. Sure!

We need a Fascist stopper. That's the whole key to winning.

[NoSheep]

141. Obama was elected twice. A lot of people didn't think that would ever happen

[Dave says]

161. I believe this to be true

[hamsterjill]

62. Makes me furious.

I’m in Texas and my vote already won’t count. So now, there’s no reason to feel like I have any voice in the process at all.

[Towlie]

84. Me too. I'm in South Florida and my vote for president will be pointless.

It's clear that the Electoral College is a bizarre and patently unfair system that has got to go, but in any zero-sum game those who enjoy the lion's share will make sure the rules never change.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

99. They cancelled the Florida primary.

So our votes do not matter….

[hamsterjill]

101. I think I'll write Biden in

It’s not like it would matter for me down here in redneck hell and I think it’ll make me feel good.

[Zambero]

117. The popular vote margin matters

In a close race, MAGA election deniers would quadruple down on their "Big Lie" routine. Conversely, a wide popular vote margin favoring the Dem candidate would take most of the wind out of their sails. I live in Idaho, which is a foregone conclusion for Trump. My vote matters a lot more in the popular vote roll-up. If Biden decides to exit the race, a write-in vote for him would make as much sense as one for Jill Stein, RFK Jr. et al. Hopefully he would still be a presence on the campaign for a nominee other than himself.

[LeftInTX]

137. Write-ins are not allowed. The only write-ins must declare themselves as "write-ins".

I know it's an oxymoron, but it's Texas.

Procedures for Write-In Candidates in 2024
In Texas, a candidate may run for office as a declared write-in in the general election for state and county officers. A declared write-in candidate must submit a Declaration of Write-in Candidacy and submit a filing fee or petition in lieu of a filing fee in order for votes cast for that candidate to be counted in the election.

Filing Period
The Declaration of Write-in Candidacy along with the filing fee or petition in lieu of a filing fee must be submitted no earlier than July 20, 2024, and no later than 5:00 p.m. on August 19, 2024. (Section 146.025, Texas Election Code).

https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/candidates/guide/2024/writein2024.shtml

[hamsterjill]

152. I believe you can ask for a paper ballot.

This has to do with THIS voter putting her foot down and saying she has had enough.

[yellowdogintexas]

159. yep it is very difficult indeed. I have never seen one in all the years I have been an election judge

These rules have been around for years.

[Charging Triceratops]

129. Without the damned Electoral College

... Trump wouldn't stand a chance.

[tazkcmo]

95. We don't.

Our primary votes don't count, that's been settled. What's important is the big money keeps flowing. They know we'll fall in line and vote blue. There will be no consequences for this BS so it will happen again.
.

[yellowdogintexas]

160. two words: Down Ballot!! nt

[Blue Full Moon]

138. 100%

[yellowdogintexas]

164. I just hate how he is being treated!!! It just breaks my heart

Not to mention my anxiety level is now through the roof.

We have also had a death in our family; my brother in law got an infection which went to septicimea with 24hours. He was in ICU for 2 weeks with no improvement. The doctors recommended hospice and he died the next day. They are in Kentucky, and our other sister is in North Carolina.

[XanaDUer2]

168. In so sorry

I feel better Biden just repeated he's staying in the race.

Condolences

[yellowdogintexas]

195. Thank you so much!!!! DU folks are the best! nt

[hume]

2. Fatal error.

Profound error of Democrats to drop the chosen nominee.

[Midnight Writer]

5. Absolutely.

[JohnSJ]

3. If these donors are pressuring Biden to step aside because of the polls, VP Harris is not polling that much better

[unblock]

17. It's control of congress they care about

The polls they're looking at are about down ticket races. And it may not even be polls, really it's all about donor money I suspect.

[wryter2000]

43. What the hell good can a dem congress do

With a king in the White House?

[unblock]

45. Exactly. But that's not the way they're trained to think

[LeftInTX]

156. Yeah, the donors are now saying that they will stop donating to congressional/senate candidates if they don't oust Biden

[Doodley]

30. Her profile will be lifted if she is nominated. She's a strong communicator and I think she will get a poll boost.

[JohnSJ]

51. No doubt she has grown tremendously from when she first announced running for President, but regardless,

if Biden steps aside, there is no guarentee she will be the replacement in an open convention, whether that convention is virtual or not.

[hamsterjill]

67. Who in the hell is it

That’s pushing Kamala Harris? She is not going to beat Trump. I’m sorry, but there is just no way.

Edited to add: I’m commiserating with you; not arguing. My posts right now are a little emotional. I’m watching democracy die in real time and I’m a little upset.

[Autumn]

4. It never should have gotten to this point.

[1WorldHope]

6. It looks like primaries mean nothing.

[Doodley]

41. The primaries were before the debate and polls that show two-thirds of Democrats think he should step down,

and 61% think he is a risky choice.

[WA-03 Democrat]

69. Opinions

61% where did you find that gem?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

75. The last time the Democrats nominated someone who didn't win the primary was 1968

Richard Nixon won the presidential election that fall.

14 million people voted for Biden in the primary.

What was the sample for the poll? Probably 500 - 1000.

Polls are a snapshot. Their numbers are not necessarily static,

[Amishman]

44. How dare the common people make a choice their betters don't like

[Zeitghost]

96. If Biden steps down

They don't. And we have party rules and procedures to deal with such a situation.

[edisdead]

105. Hahahah "Step down" what a joke

He is being for ed to “step down”.

[Zeitghost]

119. It's ultimately his decision

He can be persuaded, but not forced.

Unless you want to engage in baseless accusations of threats against some of this parties most esteemed leaders.

[Charging Triceratops]

130. Actually, primaries don't mean a thing

... they are party processes, not elections.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

7. Buh Bye

[Biophilic]

8. This may be true and I will vote for Harris if she is the nominee, but it will be the last time I will ever vote.

If they do this to Joe it means we no longer live in a democracy, but rather an oligarchy. What's the point of voting if you're never voting to help yourself. We will only be voting to see which group of oligarchs win. I truly believed in the Constitution and the principles I grew up on. This makes me very, very sad.

[thomski64]

42. ..if we are to lose democacy..

..do it now, with the newly adjudicated unitary executive
Official act of a President is to protect the country from enemies
Like the Supremacy Court and he former Putin cockholster guy..

[PatSeg]

46. Sadly, I'm inclined to agree with you

If they do this to Joe, I'm not sure I can believe in our "democracy" anymore.

Yes, I will vote for Harris if she is the nominee, but I'm afraid a lot of people will be so turned off that they may just stay home on election day.

[FloridaBlues]

158. Have the same feeling.

[PatSeg]

167. I'm trying to stay positive, but it is really hard

[FloridaBlues]

169. Yes it is . I go back and forth from extreme anger and disbelief

In our party.

[PatSeg]

170. It is all so disorienting and surreal to me

I thought when Trump entered politics, that I was living in some alternate reality. In many ways, this is even worse.

[Dan]

106. Very sad to say this, but I was thinking the same thing.

[edisdead]

108. This exactly.

[maxsolomon]

110. Yeah, you're just feeling hurt right now.

Don't take your ball and go home.

Voting is your duty as a Citizen.

[Biophilic]

122. It is my duty as a citizen of a democracy.

I’m beginning to lose hope that I still live in a democracy. Between the recent rulings of the SC, the world the republicans are eager to force on us, and now feeling betrayed by an important block of my own party’s leadership I have begun to question things I never thought to question.

[maxsolomon]

124. It will remain at least a nominal democracy, like Hungary.

Also, assuming the worst, I believe 2026 will flip Congress back to the Dems, despite Gerrymandering.

[Biophilic]

140. Is that suppose to make it ok? I've been fighting these political battles since 1960 I'm tired.

The fact that the gop has trump as their candidate again is very discouraging. What appears to be a palace coup by parts of the democratic leadership and elite supporters is just plan sad.

[maxsolomon]

172. It's not intended to make it OK.

It's a glimmer of hope that I'm holding on to, so I don't get super depressed and need electroshock therapy.

My wife is yelling at me every night about Canada (she was born in Montreal). We're all in the same boat.

[Biophilic]

174. I'll hang on to it too, than.

I’ve been to Montreal it’s a beautiful city.

[NoSheep]

142. Voting, while we can, will always matter no matter how many obstacles are in our path.

[yellowdogintexas]

163. There is no way I will stop voting ever. We still have local and down ballot offices

which are now more important than ever.

We have the County Judge From Hell here and getting a Democratic majority on our Commissioners Court is essential to block his shenanigans. I am hoping he has angered enough voters that we can knock him out in 2026.

[Think. Again.]

9. Perhaps you read the primary results wrong?

You see, the primaries voted in Biden at the top of the ticket with Harris as his running mate.

A small distinction, but Democracy matters.

[dweller]

10. Welcome

To the PLUTOCRACY

😐


✌🏻

[sinkingfeeling]

11. Then it'll be President TSF and GQP Senate and House.

[Deek1935]

14. Yup

[C_U_L8R]

12. Just because they have billions doesn't mean they have brains.

I've never seen such stupidity. If I were Joe, I'd say fuck you all. He's done a magnificent job. Maybe we don't deserve him.

[BigMin28]

26. I view alot

Of billionaires as mentally ill. No different than a hoarder. The just hoard money.

[Bettie]

133. Human Dragons

sitting on their piles of treasure.

Now they are torching the nation, just for fun.

[Frasier Balzov]

13. She ascends to the Presidency at the Convention.

Joe releases his delegates to her.

She names Gretchen Whitmer as her running mate.

It's then the girls team vs. the boys.

Joe receives a testimonial dinner and gold watch?

Or has this thread been deleted already before I can even press the Post button?

[Deek1935]

16. And we lose to Trump.

[Frasier Balzov]

23. Excuse me but what happened to the power of incumbency?

Kamala Harris running for the Presidency as the sitting President?

And the girls versus the boys?

[shrike3]

25. Oh, so Joe's supposed to resign, too? Cool.

[FBaggins]

61. She would have almost no benefit of incumbency

Not just because she can’t do much in four months… but because he opponent was president for four years.

[edisdead]

112. Baahahahahahahaha

Seriously? A 3 month term makes her an incumbent???


Please.

That isn’t going to fool anyone.

[Frasier Balzov]

139. Explain to me who we would be fooling with

Biden can be re-elected and THEN step down at his leisure?

[Ursus Rex]

102. A loss of EPIC proportions, IMO.

Landslide, mandate, etc - those are the words they'll use. 40+ years of accommodating and "keep your powder dry" neolibs have brought us to this.

[Desert grandma]

180. Are you kidding me?

I can not see this happening. I hope to God you are wrong. Trump will win if we do not have Biden at the top of the ticket in my opinion.

[obamanut2012]

20. Seriously

[emulatorloo]

36. Interesting picture. I had no idea of set-ups like this. Where is this from?

[Blue Owl]

56. It's a bot farm

The most efficient way to spread disinformation across the net.

Low post members of DU have a likely chance of being bots — they create fake accounts to stoke fear and division.

[Rubyshoo]

88. Thanks For The Broad Brush

I just signed up, because of Peacetrain's 'I maybe (sic) a nobody' thread.

I too may be a nobody, but I ain't no bot!

And from what I've been seeing, it's not just bots stoking fear and division within the Democratic Party, or on this board.

Peace...

[edisdead]

114. It may not apply to you directly

But it is truth. Bots are everywhere these days (and have been for a long time) Obviousoy you aren’t a bot.

[calguy]

148. Yes. Good possibility this OP was created by a bot

Democracy Works profile info:
Member since: Thu May 30, 2024, 05:43 PM
Number of posts, all time: 56

[Deek1935]

19. Without Biden we lose.

[Doodley]

47. Why do you think that?

[edisdead]

116. 14 million primary votes tossed out

a d the resulting media shitstorm that will follow

[Doodley]

132. I'm not all doom and gloom about this. Polls show two-thirds of Democrats want Biden to step down.

Trump is deeply unpopular. According to opinion polling consensus, we've got two candidates that are unpopular, and I personally think it's ridiculous. Biden wants to make America fairer and cleaner, and he has been doing that. Trump wants to destroy America, and he has been doing that. For whatever reason, these messages have not been effectively communicated to the voters. But this is where we are. Two candidates that are unpopular, polling roughly the same, Biden a bit behind. If we had a candidate that wasn't so negatively viewed by our own party and by independents, it could be a game changer in a positive way.

[PatSeg]

55. That's what I believe

A lot of Democratic voters are going to be super pissed off if the party tries to change candidates at this late date. I'm afraid many will just stay home.

[XarmyGal]

136. Lose big time

And we will have no one to blame but ourselves!...I'm angry and hurt also.

[Prairie Gates]

21. Get ready for 25 years of far right rule that will completely transform your lives

If you're under 60, forget about Social Security and Medicare.

[shrike3]

23. Why I applied for it the minute I was eligible.

[GoodRaisin]

100. People over 60 are at risk too.

There is no guarantee how far Republicans will go once they get in power. Even people drawing SS now are at risk.

[Towlie]

22. Someone reported this thread but I don't think it breaks any DU rule, or at least not any reasonable rule.

And all I have to add is my sig below.

[58Sunliner]

27. That's not how democracy works.

[andym]

28. There is no need to have him step aside for Kamala-- they can just emphasize them as a team

get her out there in the public eye and state that she would take over for Joe sometime in the next term when he wants to retire.

[Doodley]

48. I wish that had already happened.

[usonian]

31. For once, sneaking in a reply before a thread is deleted.

(typing fast)
No source.
And I am not at all pleased with DU'ers eching "supposedly real" posts by media who are recklessly rumor mongering.

Vlad is pleased.

[yagotme]

32. Some people wonder why some voters quit voting.

It is becoming apparent...

[StarryNite]

33. That's a pretty strong statement.

Let's hope you're wrong.

[mahina]

34. Welcome to DU

[wryter2000]

35. I'll tell you one thing

They'd better find a way to give her the money the campaign has raised, or they're sending her on a suicide mission. They might just be, anyway.

[budkin]

37. KHive represent

Love me some Kamala!

[BannonsLiver]

74. The contempt for her is so bizarre

All she's done is support Biden for four years, and this is the thanks she gets from DUers. The good news is DU is largely insignificant.

[edisdead]

120. We. Didn't. Vote. For. Her!

Look I love Kamala, she was my pick before she dropped out in 2020. I ended up coting for Bernie because Joe was already safe and I do believe in Bernies ideas so to show support for hos iseas I cast my vote for him.


But we did NOT vote for Kamala. We voted for Joe.

You cannot as party leadership ask people to participate in your primaries and the disregard them.

It has nothing to do with contempt for Kamala. We voted.

[BannonsLiver]

146. The contempt has developed since Biden has been in trouble

[Bluedawgbill]

191. It's not contempt

It's A) She was not the person we voted for to head the ticket.

B) The plain fact is she doesn't poll any better than Biden and in some swing states she actually polls slightly worse.

Now sure, polls 110 days out don't tell the whole tale, but they do indicate the mood of the voters. Coupling her with a favorable VP could give her a boost, move the needle a couple of notches, but it will take more than that to pull her up into a real contender. Easily achievable with smart, well run campaign, but the issue is time. Gearing up and laying the infrastructure will take time that she doesn't necessarily have. And she will not get the 'fresh face' bump a different candidate might get.

At the end of the day, there is no clear 'good' choice. Morning Joe was absolutely right when he said it's time to fish or cut bait. The longer the power brokers and Biden play tug of war, the more damage is done.

[BannonsLiver]

193. Some of it is contempt

I don’t do BoB.

[Pisces]

38. This is a post just to stir thing up and it is so obvious

[doc03]

39. When I heard Biden had COVID I figured it

was over. He will drop out in the next 48 hours, I guess because of health concerns. I guess you could call a knife in the back a health problem. I was not that enthusiastic about Biden running 6 months ago because of his age. That is when the power brokers in DC should have jumped in not now.

[tazkcmo]

40. I hate being on a team that plays for the opposition.

I guess I've got a hard decision to make. Stick with a party beholden to millionaires and billionaires while it pays lip service to the middle class or go with the party that is up front about it.

Fuck me.

[BannonsLiver]

50. If that's the case I hope all the pouting stops and people vote for her.

There is a lot of pouting, taking my ball and going home etc.

[Deek1935]

58. STUPIDLY destroying our primary and STUPIDLY destroying our nominee is ultra STUPID. And nothing else.

[BannonsLiver]

72. Oh ok.

[Deep State Witch]

52. Welcome to DU

Enjoy your stay.

[Norbert]

53. Why wasn't this an issue back in January?

I hate this 11th hour shit.

[Progressive dog]

87. I think that's obvious

Some wanted Joe Biden gone and they saw his debate performance as their opportunity to get rid of him. In January, they hadn't found anyone to run against Joe Biden who stood a chance to beat him in the primaries.

[FBaggins]

54. That's where the betting money is going

Not that they haven’t been badly wrong with Biden in the past

[PatSeg]

60. Yes, many times

Joe Biden has been underestimated and written off more time than I can count.

[we can do it]

57. Please let Jaime Harrison, head of DNC know.

Apparently propaganda spreaders know more than head of DNC this morning….

https://m.

&feature=youtu.be

[XanaDUer2]

80. Thank you

Feeling really down about this

[MorbidButterflyTat]

149. Love this, thank you!

It's really unfortunate that the negative defeatist attitudes are overwhelming the positive, especially on a Democratic site.

[Buckeyeblue]

63. An exit strategy for Biden is difficult

How do you go from I'm definitely running, where you looked into the camera a few days ago and said I'm going to be the candidate to looking into the camera and saying I'm not going to be the candidate?

Then does he have to pivot to reassuring everyone that he is fine to be president for the next 6 months?

We are definitely in unchartered territory here, when the stakes are arguably at their highest. There is no blueprint. LBJ announced his decision when the primary was still taking place.

As I mentioned in another thread, this should have happened last fall. It would have been easy. We would have had a contested primary and the winner of that would get the nomination.

This is the very definition of a shit show.

[rso]

76. RSO

He resigns and makes Kamala the President, then she runs as the incumbent President with a midwestern, popular Dem. Governor as her VP.

[Buckeyeblue]

86. I honestly think that is the only option

[MorbidButterflyTat]

150. How about this option:

President Joe Biden is the Democratic presidential nominee.

[Buckeyeblue]

166. In the context of our discussion that's not an option

But I'm fine with Biden staying the nominee based on the information I have on his health and capabilities.

[PeaceWave]

187. No strategy required. He isn't going anywhere.

[OrlandoDem2]

64. I love Joe and I'm voting blue no matter who! If he bows out we can have a victory lap for him at the convention

and introduce Kamala to America.

[Chakaconcarne]

66. Emphasizing..."looks like"....."nothing's been set in stone"...

Everyone just throwing darts now?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

151. Look at the response though

[Demsrule86]

68. Bullshit...all hearsay.

[mcar]

70. Do you really think those rich white guys are going to accept the Black woman?

This is going to be a shit show. I'm sick about it.

[NoSheep]

145. We are in the MAJORITY! Those rich white guys are not.

[mcar]

153. Those rich white guys are in the process of throwing out

the best president of my lifetime - and our own elected officials are apparently pushing it.

[NoSheep]

185. I'm at a place where I have no idea what the right move is here. I really respect Joe Biden

and I have NO reservations that he would continue to be a good president. I just don't know about the vote and I don't know what is motivating his detractors in the party. My head is all over the place wondering what we should be supporting.

[SKKY]

73. If this does in fact happen, I wonder who her VP pick will be.

I know we have a deep bench, but Josh Shapiro seems particularly impressive. Not Pete Buttigeig impressive, but impressive nonetheless.

[TasminCat]

77. the morons forcing out Biden think this is going have a good result

it will only show our party is weak and feckless for not protecting our own leader!

[debm55]

79. I M so sorry for Joe. The way he has been treated is terrible. absolutely terrible. He can win and will win. I am so mad

at those few that did this to him. So sad. He is a good honest man who has always loved his country and the common man.

[republianmushroom]

82. Why change candidates ?

If Biden can't finish his second term, you will still have Harris.

[LonePirate]

83. I believe a Harris/Shapiro ticket would be formidable be it in 2024 or 2028.

[LiberaBlueDem]

85. Not gonna happen

Biden will be reelected and live to 103

Big money wants Joe out, but big money is gonna lose this round.

[iemanja]

89. I thought EarlG had put the quash on this speculation on DU?

Suddenly we are seeing lots of it, more than when we were seeing threads complaining about it.

[Emile]

115. It's really getting out of hand. It needs to stop.

[Hekate]

173. Keep alerting. If enough of us do that we might actually be able to clear the aisles.

DU is being swarmed.

[iemanja]

175. No, I won't

I since realized the reason we are seeing more of it is that more politicians are coming out. As long as it's in the public sphere, people are going to think and talk about it. I had thought the thing was settled, but it seems not.

[Hekate]

179. Ooooo-kay. But just so you know, EarlG can't do all the work by himself. Just accept the results then.

We are being swarmed. We have rules and other mechanisms to deal with it. But they only operate if people participate.

[DemocracyWorks]

92. I agree say what you will about Biden

he can connect to the average voter and doesn't sound like a rehearsed politician. But it may just optics Democrats in polls are looking for and she would provide that.

[tritsofme]

91. I'm terrified that Harris would be a disaster on top of the ticket. Biden needs to stay in the race.

[Sneederbunk]

93. Thank you 56 Posts.

[ElementaryPenguin]

94. I don't think the big donors think that Harris is the absolute strongest candidate we could field.

I love Kamala, but she's often been considered a drag on the Biden ticket - fair or not.

I've known several sort of moderate independents who were impressed with Biden's accomplishments, but were never sold on Kamala.

Wouldn't seem worthwhile to force Joe out just to get a candidate that might not be any stronger.

[obamanut2012]

103. Welcome to DU

[ElementaryPenguin]

121. Thanks for the "welcome", but...

I've actually been on here since 2001 - when I used to battle the likes of William Rivers Pitt. I was a very hardcore poster then. There were a few years when I pretty much stayed away. I have no idea how they came up with my post count in the 7,000's - I had like 50,000 plus - probably 15 years ago! Just don't have time these days to hang here much.

[duckworth969]

97. Knock it off

What nonsense to post this drivel.

[PennRalphie]

98. Democrats need to make a decision

Quickly. I know some here are influential with the DNC. The rest of us aren’t. We need my swing state of PA. We need Western PA. I still think we will easily win PA, but, the perceived disagreement in our party is worrisome. I keep saying, to nobody listening, that republicans around here are tired of Trump. We need to give them a reason to vote for Biden or Harris or whoever. But they need to make a decision!

Those of you in blue states need not worry. We swing staters have a more difficult job. How can I convince a reluctant republican to vote our way if I can’t tell them who’s running? They’re already not voting for Trump. Now they need to be convinced to vote for the Democrat.

Then, the message for PA needs to be one thing. The economy. The economy. The economy.

[Emile]

104. If this is true, we just lost the election!

[beaglelover]

107. That's the only choice IMO should Biden drop out and she's an EXCELLENT candidate!

She will mop the floor with Trump at any debates. She is articulate and smart. She has the necessary experience to be POTUS. She will WIN!

[Emile]

111. You should self delete this OP. We need unity

not division.

[Renew Deal]

113. You're at least half right

I think a change may be a done deal. The outcome of the change is still in flux.

[Sunsky]

118. BS. nt

[Fla Dem]

123. President Biden Is still our Presidential Candiate until HE says he isn't

You have no standing to announce that VP Karmala Harris will be our nominee and she would also say Joe Biden is our Nominee.

[onandup]

125. This is the worst scenario, imo

Either keep Biden/Harris or go completely new.

[Basso8vb]

126. Great, another new gaslighting account.

Crawl back into your hole.

[634-5789]

128. WaPo: Obama Wants Biden To Consider Dropping Out

Former president Barack Obama has told allies in recent days that President Biden’s path to victory has greatly diminished and he thinks the president needs to seriously consider the viability of his candidacy, according to multiple people briefed on his thinking.

Obama has only spoken with Biden once since the debate, and he has been clear in his conversations with others that the future of Biden’s candidacy is a decision for the president to make.

He has emphasized that his concern is protecting Biden and his legacy, and has pushed back against the idea that he alone can influence Biden’s decision-making process.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/

[emulatorloo]

165. Anonymous 'allies' again. Aka rumor and gossip, I'll wait until I hear it from Obama's own mouth.

[dlk]

143. If that happens, you can look forward to her receiving the Hillary treatment

You can count on it.

[Lulu KC]

171. AT LEAST

I didn't realize how close I feel to these people, personally.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

144. Based on what?

Why this endless speculation?

Listen to the DNC Chair on Morning Joe. There's the beginning, middle and END of this BS .

[XanaDUer2]

147. He was great nt

[Freethinker65]

154. Doubtful under this scenario Harris could win the Presidency

And if she cannot win, not because she isn't qualified, but because enough Democrats will be frustrated with how the Party handled this, they might as well stick with Biden Harris as the ticket.

If Biden were to resign today, Harris would be president with no VP. No way a majority vote in the House would allow Harris to turn around and choose a new VP.

So we would have President Harris with no VP until January when Trump and Vance assume the offices and we say goodbye to the "United" States.

[Happy Hoosier]

157. This whole thing is nutty, but I support Harris...

She was one of my top choices in the primaries, and if she is our nominee, I will GLADLY vote for her.

[lees1975]

162. Biden is not dropping out and you have no first hand knowledge of what those leaders discussed.

No reporters are there, and none of them have leaked anything. It's all MEDIA SPECULATION.

Stop spreading rumors.

[Ocelot II]

176. Or not.

It ain’t over til it’s over.

[gay texan]

177. I smell pizza

Enjoy your stay

[duckworth969]

183. Knock it off

Pointless BS 🙄

[PortTack]

186. Exactly!

[CaptainTruth]

184. I won't believe it until I hear it from Joe.

[edisdead]

188. Uh huh sure

[Vinca]

192. At this point I have no fucking idea what's going on. I know one thing though. I feel sorry for Biden.

If he stays in and loses, he'll be blamed because he stayed in. If he gets out and the ticket loses, he'll be blamed for not getting out soon enough. In either case, he's been put under microscopic scrutiny and that won't go away. I don't know why Democrats at the top are creating this chaos, but I know what Democrats will pay the price for it. I'll still vote for Democrats up and down the ballot, but I'm starting to feel it's a vote for a bunch of wishy washy, indecisive, crazy people.

[hatrack]

194. Based on what, specifically, Member since May 30th, 56 total posts?

We'll wait.

[William769]

196. ...