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[Deep State Witch]

1. Welcome to DU

Enjoy your stay.

[Walleye]

2. My God, how bad do we want to lose by? Throw Biden and Harris under the bus? What have they been drinking?

[unblock]

3. I'm worried. You'd think if they wanted Harris, there would be at least as much pro-Harris talk as anti-Biden talk

Trashing Biden while not promoting any clear alternative is rather disturbing.

[Autumn]

4. They will go with whomever can take Trump on and win. No matter who it is

that person has my vote.

[yagotme]

5. For the sake of this argument, wouldn't it HAVE to be Harris?

All that Biden/Harris funding would be locked up, as I understand it.

[shrike3]

15. I've been assured by folks right here on DU it would all be smooth as silk.

The money would just be transferred to the DNC and dispersed to the new candidate. Happy Days are here again.

[yagotme]

17. Did they post their law degree as well?

[shrike3]

18. No, but I have to believe them, you see. They're all so much smarter than me.

[Zeitghost]

28. Unused campaign funds can be funneled to the party and other campaigns.

It happens all the time when primary candidates drop out.

[yagotme]

31. I've heard so many things by now, I can't tell down from up.

But can those funds be DIRECTLY used for Presidential? I understand the Party will have control, but the ins and outs just get confusing after awhile. An accountant, I'm not, lol.

[whathehell]

7. ..and you base this on what authority?

[tman]

8. Harris would not be my 1st choice, but it has to be Harris.

Anything else is fantasy.

[hotellanai1986]

9. This is a repost - It was buried earlier in the morning. But, it's more relevant than ever.

Normally, I don't weigh in on these shenanigans. However, this BS is so blatant that I had to be the first to call it out. This has nothing to do with Biden's current health. It's all about Kamala. She would win if Joe stepped down, but that's not what's really happening in the rarified air of Democratic elites and donors. They don't care if they win or lose this time. They don't want Kamala anywhere near the seat of power because they know they won't have a chance in Hades to move her out in 2028. They don't want their guy, or in the case of overly ambitious Senators and Congressmen, themselves, to have to wait until 2028. That's it. Yes, it has to do with her ethnicity. Don't try to offer placid, "Oh, you're being paranoid..." BS excuses. Yes, it also has to do with her gender. Hillary had many faults, but being a woman was a major one even in the minds of many Democratic power players. I'm very pissed off (how's that for overarching nuance) with Nancy, Schiff, and the rest of the tony group. I should remember that Black Americans never succeed by wholeheartedly believing the "good intentions" of the majority group (and the very few Black people that call themselves powerbrokers are deluding themselves - yes, I am referring to Jeffries and the others falling in with Nancy and her group).

End of rant. My sorority and boyfriend's fraternity (both stretch worldwide) agree with my take on this (they are just not voicing it - yet). There is a distinct sense of boiling anger surrounding this farce covered up by "we are concerned for Biden's welfare." Do you think Dems are going to win if you piss off 30-40% of the base that put Biden in? Think again. But, as I said, these powerbrokers in the Democratic party don't really give a rip about winning 2024.

[shrike3]

16. Can't argue with anything you've said.

[hotellanai1986]

33. Thank you

Later Thursday, after my initial post, AOC dropped a video bombshell. She confirmed that this scheming faction doesn’t just want Biden out – they’re gunning for Harris too. AOC put it plainly: "They want to remove the entire ticket."

If Harris wasn’t on the ticket, everyone would be "ridin' with Biden." So, why are they taking this route? Simple. It’s the same old story – good ol’ fashioned, rock-solid racism and misogyny (aimed squarely at Black women).

And for those who claim Kamala’s Blackness hinges on the one-drop rule, what about her fully Black father? She’s Black, period. That’s why the older crowd has "an issue" with her – though they "just can’t put their finger on why..."

It’s the same tune I heard in the Junior League about Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex. They "just couldn’t put their finger on why they just don’t really like her..."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[wryter2000]

22. They don't care if they win or lose?

I've stumbled into Fantasyland.

[liberalmuse]

10. If they push out Harris

This will be confirmation to me that the Presidential run of 2028 is being reserved for someone who has powerful allies in Congress. Hint: he’s played dirty tricks before in his strive for the top and is not the person we were lead to believe he was, and he is not a person of color. Good luck fucking over a hugely important demographic if this is the plan. It will sink our party. Spoiler alert: if they do this we will lose and there won’t be a 2028 election.

[Blue Cape]

11. Just tell me who you mean, I don't know

who doesn't have powerful allies in Congress.

[liberalmuse]

23. I'm very close to violating TOS here.

So can only hint. I may have crossed the line already.

[Blue Cape]

24. Tell you what send me a link that gives a hint

I think I know who it is.

[shrike3]

13. Never saw so many people so willing to slit their country's throat.

But that's what's happening.

[shrike3]

12. I agree. There's already been noises about pushing her out. Only a matter of time.

[flamingdem]

14. Would Obama push for Kamala? And why would

Schumer not want her?

I heard Pelosi is not in favor of Kamala.

[MOMFUDSKI]

19. If Dems put any white male up for president

we are guaranteed a loss. How bad is this slow-motion coup going to get? Just wow

[Lancero]

27. So if leadership pulls their head out of their ass and goes with Biden, we'd still lose?

[Demsrule86]

35. I hope you don't include President Biden our presumed nominee

[republianmushroom]

20. Agree,

it will be some white boy.

[wryter2000]

21. How idiotic

Throw away the African American vote? No one is that stupid.

[BannonsLiver]

25. Bookmarking to read later.

[madaboutharry]

26. How do you know this?

Are you a member of congress?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Oy Vey.

[Faux pas]

30. The "men" have

been messing things up for everybody since "christianity" began. Before that women ran everything and it was BETTER! I say EFF THEM ALL, they are disgustipating and THEY are dividing us!!!!!!!!

[krawhitham]

32. Really depends on if Dark Brandon raises up

If he is forced out

He should demand it's on his terms only or they can have a floor fight, guaranteeing trump's win

He should pardon his son
He tells Elites pushing him out that Harris is on Top of the ticket and Buttigieg is VP (or floor fight)
He should resign NOW making Harris the incumbent (making it harder for them to screw him on the deal)
He should tell his delegates they are released only to Harris/Buttigieg



All that said, we will lose horribly. With all the Lawsuits that will be filed, it will be nothing but a cluster fuck and trump with get 400+ EV

But if they disrespect Harris by removing her from the ticket, we will lose all black support (rightfully so) and be lucky to carry one state

[Demsrule86]

36. There is no way to force him out...I am fucked if a bunch of donors will trash the primary and

tell me who my nominee for president and vice president will be. They can kiss my ass in Macy's window!

[valleyrogue]

38. He is not going to be "forced out." There is NOBODY who has that capability.

The delegates will nominate him for a second term. There is no reason to invoke the 25th Amendment. There is no "forcing out."

[Demsrule86]

34. It is going to be Biden...and if not then Trump so please stop with these negative posts.

[peggysue2]

39. Yes, enough with the negative, fictional scenarios

It won't be Harris because it will be Biden/Harris.

Enough already!

Biden/Harris 2024

[valleyrogue]

37. Why are we talking about this? Biden is the nominee and will be re-elected. n/t

[BannonsLiver]

40. This isn't aging very well

[obamanut2012]

41. Well, this aged like milk