So Crooks Has No Ideology

[gab13by13]

The FBI has his laptop and 2 cell phones and it claims he has no ideology. The FBI says it found a few recent searches on his lap top; when is the DNC convention and when is the July 13th Trump rally? Wouldn't the July 13th Trump rally be on July 13th? Also "a few" searches was only 2 I guess. I would have said 2 instead of a few.

This country is so polarized I cannot imagine that this kid was apolitical, or for or against some ideology.

Sorry but I do not trust Chris Wray to release any information that would hurt TSF.

When I go to a sporting event I wear a shirt that shows who I support, that kid wore his gun humper shirt for a reason and that fact is being ignored. Is this gun humper organization pro-TSF or pro-Biden? Wearing the shirt means something.

Also, I have seen interviews of his classmates, some said he was bullied, some said he was not, but the narrative out there is that he was bullied.

Sorry, something doesn't smell right to me.

Maybe we should impanel another Warren Commission? Never mind.

[Bluethroughu]

1. Why is he still in charge? Chris Wray.

[getagrip_already]

15. His boss is merrick garland

[Kaleva]

2. Aren't the young more disconnected from politics?

[yagotme]

3. Possibly, but for a 20 year old to have almost NO social media presence is...

strange, at a bare minimum.

[John1956PA]

7. Some young people do all of their web socializing on game platforms. Bare profile, lots of chatting. n/t

[yagotme]

12. And, may be discovered later. nt

[John1956PA]

13. Yes. That is what I have been saying.

I hope that all chats on game programs are archived and accessible by the FBI.
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ON EDIT: I have deleted reference to the "premiere" statement allegedly made by Crooks. I have been told that reports that Crooks made such a statement have now been determined to be a hoax.

[John1956PA]

24. Also of significance is that the chatting on game platforms is done almost exclusively through voice chat.

I am thinking that voice chats are not archived.

My impression is that voice chats on many game platforms are done by males who are in their early twenties and who feel disenfranchised.

[yagotme]

60. Now, to find out if he was a gamer,

and if he got any of his "tactical" experience there.

[sarisataka]

11. I have two teens

Both very tech savvy and neither have much of a social media presence. Just a couple game groups and one has TikTok

[yagotme]

14. TikTok seems to be the go-to for now. nt

[Kaleva]

16. From what I've read, he wasn't normal.

[yagotme]

19. Yes, described as a "loner".

Would think he would have turned to social media for "support". Perhaps he did, not just able to track yet, or scrubbed before event.

[John1956PA]

27. That support might have been via voice chatting on game programs.

From what I understand, his "premiere" statement was done via voice chatting on a game platform.

[LeftInTX]

30. That turned out to be fake. Someone spamming like they created that fake video of him after he died.

The FBI was fooled, but today they came out and said it wasn't him.

[John1956PA]

31. Thank you. I will delete my comment. n/t

[Kaleva]

36. Yes

[yardwork]

20. I have a 20 year old stepson, same age as the shooter.

It's my observation that many of them are remarkably poorly informed about everything except their gaming platforms.

They don't follow politics the way we did/do. It's just not that important to them.

[LeftInTX]

33. My 34 yo daughter: "Mom are your still gonna campaign for him after that debate? You need to give it up"

I think she's still rebelling. I think she plain old wants me to "give it up" and babysit.

[Kaleva]

46. And I think it's been historically that way for a long time

Young people are less likely to vote then older generations

[polichick]

4. Classmates have said he was political - very interested in history and politics...

He was in their minds, clearly conservative.

[John1956PA]

6. I am guessing that the conservative point of view he displayed in school was acquired from his father. n/t

[womanofthehills]

43. The last classmate to be interviewed said Crooks hated all politicians

His dad was supposedly a liberation so he could have grown up with a dislike for the 2 major parties. He was searching for where Trump & Biden would both be - so he might have tried to kill whoever came to town first. Last kid in his class who was interviewed said he never saw him bullied and said he was an arrogant know -it-all & had a group of weird friends.

[John1956PA]

5. I think that Crooks was searching for the time of day the rally was to be held. n/t

[maxsolomon]

8. Could have just been a double hater,

but more likely seeking Infamy from his suicide-by-cop.

No access to Daddy's AR-15, no assassination attempt. Regulate the unregulated Militia.

[womanofthehills]

44. I don't think so - sounds like he thought he could get away with it

And then try for Biden. A classmate said he was very arrogant.

[maxsolomon]

57. He did not set realistic goals, then.

Hard to imagine that kid had anything to be arrogant about.

[brush]

9. You're on to something. I don't buy the bullied loner story either.

IMO some entity helped the kid get to that high perch with a direct line of sight to the podium. And reports are that the Secret Service knew of him an hour before the shooting as acting suspiciously, and 20 minutes before he started shooting, that he had climbed on the roof of that building.

WTF?

And they still let trump get on the podium before getting the gunman out of there.

Very suspicious. They've got a lot of questions to answer for. And being understaffed is no excuse. Ya just put your protectee in harms way.

I'm a Dem and no fan of trump, but it sure seems somebody wanted trump gone.

[Kaleva]

47. You suspect former classmates of his to be liars?

[brush]

53. Former classmates? Did they help him get in place to shoot trump?

Who cares what former classmates said? You don't see anything suspicious about how this shooter got in place to shoot?

It's a colossal fail on the Secret Service and area LEO agencies part.

Very suspicious. How the hell did they let that happen? They have one job...to not put their protestee in harms way.

[Kaleva]

55. It was an open venue. He walked in

One wonders why the Trump campaign put him in such an exposed position?

The shooter remained outside the area where they checked people.

[brush]

58. It's not the trump campaign, it's the Secret Service and LEOs....

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who put trump in that vulnerable position.

They have one job...how do they let that happen?

Did someone want it to happen? They've got a whole lot of explaining to do. The entire agency needs to be revamped...and I doubt the head of the agency survives.

They were already suspect after all theri J6 emails and texts were deleted so their actions couldn't be invesigated.

[Kaleva]

59. Who picked the venue?

[brush]

65. It's rural, deep red PA.

[Kaleva]

66. Which means there's lots of AR-15s

[brush]

67. Yep, you've got me there.

[Kaleva]

68. And a fair number of those gun owners are nuts

[brush]

69. Good guess. Ideal trump country one would think.

[blue neen]

10. I know plenty of people who are apolitical.

This young man lived in Bethel Park, a suburb of Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is located in Allegheny County, which is the only blue county in western PA. There are plenty of divergent ideologies in this area.

I think he was just a dude who didn't want to be around anymore, and he found a way to accomplish that.

[womanofthehills]

45. But a classmate said he wasn't apolitical -

He hated all politicians and would argue about it. Interesting- this classmate said he was an arrogant know it all guy who talked a lot & liked to argue.

[misanthrope]

62. Sounds like Lee Harvey Oswald in that regard**

**

[Kaleva]

48. I agree

[getagrip_already]

17. Yet he had trump and maga lawn signs.....

And he was a gun humper and defender of the 2nd amendment.

But he wasn't political.


Mmmmkay

[yardwork]

22. We don't know if he put up those signs, or agreed with them.

We really don't know much at all about his beliefs.

[getagrip_already]

23. His neighbors said he did......

And his school friends said he was political.

If you live alone, and you have yard signs, how did they get there?

His neighbors said they were there.

[yardwork]

26. I thought he lived with his mom? I hadn't heard that he lived alone.

[getagrip_already]

34. Not sure.....

Assumed he did by the reporting. It was his grandparents house until they dies, but has fallen into disrepair.

[LeftInTX]

35. No they didn't. Someone with the local GOP (Precinct Chair) who lives in the neighborhood said they didn't.

I'm a precinct chair myself and I know how that works. I was waiting to hear from some of the locals involved in politics. "A neighbor who saw signs" may have mistaken the household etc.

Signs are usually obtained from the local party or ordered. (But you have to pay shipping! Better to get them locally. ) The precinct chair was out delivering signs and checking up on voters. She never saw a sign in their yard, nor did she deliver any to them. As a matter of fact, no one in the family was on list of Republican voters. Trust me, if I see a sign in the yard of someone who I have not identified, I will stop. Likewise, I was pretty upset when the former Democratic precinct chair turned against Biden and put up Latinos for Trump signs in his yard. I know where the signs are. I know the names of the voters and I know where they live. That's our job.

Just because someone "saw a sign" doesn't mean they may remember where they saw it. Random neighbors generally don't have access to the names and voting records of all the neighbors. When I see a sign, I write down the address and look up the voting history etc.

Two neighbors of would-be Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks dismissed the attention drawn to his political affiliation, saying the family appeared to never have campaign signs of any stripe in their Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, yard

Amy, who spoke to reporters alongside Holly – a local GOP captain – attested that the media would be hard-pressed to find a neighbor who could vouch for any signs having been seen in the Crooks' yard.

"I give out the signs, and I've never given to that house, I'll tell you that," said Holly, who alluded to the fact Crooks was a registered Republican.

"I walk by here all the time, other neighbors do," Amy added. "You will not find one neighbor that will confirm or ever say they saw those signs in the yard."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/neighbor-says-trump-shooters-family-had-no-political-signs-in-yard-as-parents-affiliations-surface/ar-BB1q7SBg

[getagrip_already]

41. Ok, trust the republican....

The fact he was a registered republican wasn't on her list?

Curious.

But we absolutely should trust the republican party worker. Yup. Settled.

[LeftInTX]

42. He didn't vote in the GOP primary this year. Was the person who saw the Trump signs a Democratic Precinct Chair?

If she was a Democratic Precinct Chair I would believe her. If she's just a random neighbor, how do we know it's accurate?
What did the Democratic Precinct Chair say?

[Kaleva]

49. How do you know those signs were his?

[Irish_Dem]

18. Sounds like he was mentally ill and consumed with anger and hatred.

He wanted to shoot up his school.
And either presidential candidate.

[yardwork]

21. What little information we have suggests that, I agree.

[gab13by13]

29. I saw articles that talked about that but

they were articles from far reich wing sources. I'm sure the final report will say mentally ill, lone wolf who wanted death by cop. I haven't seen reliable sources prove that yet.

Just the interviews of his classmates are all over the place.

[Irish_Dem]

37. His behavior we know about tells us he is mentally ill.

Seen agitated and pacing at the entrance way to the rally.
Poorly planned shooting.
Bomb materials in his car gathered over several months.
Remote transmitters to blow up the bombs, including one to his own home.

Comments from his fellow students about his plans to shoot up the school.
Antipathy to both presidential candidates.
Anger at his fellow students and his parents.

This is not rocket surgery.

[Kaleva]

50. +1

[Irish_Dem]

40. PS

If someone wanted to set up a situation to make it look like a lone wolf mentally ill kid with a
gun, they ticked all the boxes.

The parents' silence is also interesting.
They understand their liability so they must have had some ideas about their child and did not stop him.

[orange jar]

32. Agree with this.

I think he would've tried to assassinate Biden if he was the one holding the rally, too. Not much is known, but this whole thing strikes me as opportunistic.

[Irish_Dem]

38. Yes I agree.

He obviously had been gathering explosive material to bomb something.
He didn't know about the rally until about two weeks prior.
That is when it was announced.

So he changes up his plans.
Yes if Biden had been there, it would have been the same I believe.

[misanthrope]

63. He wouldn't have gotten as far trying for Biden

The sitting POTUS always has better security.

[gab13by13]

25. I do not understand why no one from law enforcement notified the Secret Service

to get TSF off the stage? Were these people on radio silence?

I also read articles about the fired shots hitting speakers and other items. A hydraulic oil hose was ruptured.

I do not believe we will get definitive proof that it was a bullet that hit TSF's ear and not debris, or even something else.

[lapfog_1]

28. He is a frustrated school shooter

who wanted to be famous for killing someone famous.

Thom Hartman postulated this on like Monday this week... and it fits and is believable.

Plus he fits the profile.

[Sympthsical]

39. You underestimate the number of young people with extreme antipathy towards both parties

Talk to my nieces and nephews sometime.

What they have to say would . . . not be allowed here.

[MOMFUDSKI]

51. I smelled a rat from jump.

Just my take on it.

[Silent Type]

52. Ammosexual incel like so many killers nowadays.

[sop]

54. Oliver Stone would probably say Crooks was the perfect patsy.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

56. tRump banned bump stocks. . . . . nt

[yagotme]

61. Which are now legal again.

I'm guessing he was an equal opportunity hater.

[ecstatic]

64. of course he had one. Incel gun enthusiast. nt