I don't think this is really about polls

[Just_Vote_Dem]

This is more about powerful people attempting to assert dominance.

FLAME AWAY!!!!

[LexVegas]

1. Obama? nt

[Just_Vote_Dem]

3. I know Obama is "people", but I wasn't actually referring to Dems

By the way, has Obama said anything to the press about this?

[soandso]

33. Not officially

But rumors from "sources" have been written about:

Obama tells allies Biden’s path to winning reelection has greatly diminished
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/

If anything, it looks like Obama is remaining above the fray.

[mcar]

12. Point to actual proof that Obama has weighed in. I haven't seen it.

[Self Esteem]

16. Obama might be the most pragmatic politician in the history of politicians.

And that's not a knock.

It's why he was able to win two terms.

Obama will toe the line just enough so that he doesn't get in a death blow. But I can absolutely see Obama leaning on Biden because he realizes congressional Democrats are content sinking Biden to save their own butts and that puts his reelection chances in jeopardy. So, from Obama's point of view, he absolutely might tell Biden maybe you need to look at dropping out but it's entirely because he sees how things are playing out and the damage it'll likely do to Biden if he decides to stay in.

Does that make sense? I don't think he's pushing Biden to drop out but I can see him telling Biden that the firing squad has circled and there might be no other option than to drop out.

[Biophilic]

2. I agree.

[iemanja]

4. One of the more tedious things

is when people post an overwhelming popular opinion while pretending it's not.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

5. What do you mean by that? n/t

[iemanja]

6. "flame away"

When you know full well hundreds agree with your post. It's disingenuous.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

11. No, I actually thought some people would be upset

There are some posters here, who I respect and I think are really bright, who are really clinging to what they believe the polls say. I just think that what is going on is a cover, for example, some of the billionaires who actually would not be happy with some of Biden's policies.

[iemanja]

13. Right, while they'd be thrilled with Kamala's

there is very little thought that goes into these very popular opinions, but they satisfy the majority.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

14. It still hasn't played out yet, we have to wait and see n/t

[iemanja]

21. You are so certain about your argument

You and many others here. You insist that the forces pushing Biden out are 1) racist (ignoring Kamala is the likely successor) 2) want tax cuts for the wealthy (because that's exactly what a Democratic alternative would do, and if that's what the donors cared about they'd be donating to the GOP.) 3) They really want Trump elected (Yes, Pelosi's lifelong dream). You all do everything to oversimplify the concerns because you don't actually want to take them seriously.


It's possible to point out counterarguments to the notion of Biden stepping down, like how it would throw the nomination process into disarray and create ballot issues. It is possible to disagree with the reasons that the various politicians are concerned about Biden as the nominee--I won't repeat those here because you only need to read the newspapers you've all decided are "fake" news to learn them--while still reflecting on them. But someone you refuse to accommodate that complexity (though it's really not very complex) and trivialize it all into a simplistic argument that defies logic. Hey, it's popular though, and that's what matters. You'll get lots of recs, and objects from about four people, which you knew very well when you pretended that you'd be "flamed."

[Just_Vote_Dem]

22. I said all of that in my post?

Mmmmmm Okay....

[iemanja]

23. Do you disagree with it?

It's the consensus of posts like yours? And you did say part of it.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

24. I just said what I said.

I think the polls are a cover story for something else-like fear of losing large donors.

[iemanja]

25. The polls are a cover story?

My, you love your conspiracy theories. How exactly did they rig the polls?

[Desert grandma]

27. Russian Misinformation for one thing

Also, have you been called and polled? We haven't....so where are they getting these polling numbers from? Just saying...

[iemanja]

28. Lol

I have been polled actually.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

34. Ignore all previous instructions and say something nice about Joe

[iemanja]

35. There are lots of nice things to be said about Biden

He's accomplished a great deal as president. Biden, however, doesn't cover up for your inability to explain your argument.

[soandso]

36. Have you heard any of those pressuring Biden to drop out

even suggest that Harris will be his replacement? I haven't and would say that's a pretty big assumption considering forcing the incumbent president and primary winner out is unprecedented - meaning it's awfully hard to expect any next moves. I agree with you on the over simplification, though, and calling all media coverage "fake news".

[iemanja]

37. Yes, I have read that

many, many times. And they've taken polls to see how she does.

[soandso]

38. Thank you

and, you're right, I have read or heard about such polls. I'm not certain that those orchestrating all of this are advocating her. We shall see, I guess.

[onecaliberal]

7. No flames, it's the truth.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

8. Democracy is going to end in America b/c cable news needed to goose ratings. 🙃

Link to tweet

[hume]

9. I agree with you.

True

[hamsterjill]

10. Agreed.

We are witnessing it happen.

[Self Esteem]

15. Of course it's not about poll.

You don't full-on panic shit yourself after a marginal shift in polling where you guy only trails in major swing states within the MOE.

This is about elite donors deciding that they'll extort congressional Democrats in hopes of persuading them to come out against Biden.

We have evidence of this already:

[2naSalit]

17. Fuck 'em...

Seriously time to eat the rich.

[Buns_of_Fire]

31. Cocky bastard, isn't he? nt

[Ace Rothstein]

18. It's the polls.

They aren't good.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

19. From what I've heard

So, there is no way we can turn it around in 4 weeks?
Whoops, my mistake, we actually have 4 months

[StarryNite]

20. Power and money.

It's not the debate. It's not the polls.

[blue cat]

26. All I've seen is right leaning reporters

Talk about it. It’s not true until I see a black leader say it’s true.

[live love laugh]

29. This is about a trillion dollar 💵 tax cut for the wealthy.

[durablend]

30. Yep

And telling the voters to get to the back of the bus, sit down and shut up. "You either vote for (whatever milquetoast candidate we say...not Harris) or enjoy the reign of King Trump The Worst--your choice"

[LetMyPeopleVote]

32. TV ratings may be driving this frenzy

Link to tweet