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maxsolomon

(38,718 posts)
1. Drip drip drip.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 02:56 PM
Jul 2024

The faucet continues to leak - Lofgren's not nearly the only one today. None of this is good and can't just be waved off.

Frasier Balzov

(5,060 posts)
2. Is there any reason to think
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 02:59 PM
Jul 2024

that Kamala Harris would take the Presidency in some vastly different direction than Joe Biden would want it to go?

I don't understand why Joe shouldn't be perfectly satisfied to be her close adviser when she succeeds to office. He's very interested in policy areas where she will benefit greatly from his help during his reduced working hours.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
4. The question that should be asked is there any reason to think any other Democrat would WIN the Presidency...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:11 PM
Jul 2024

...in a more convincing fashion than Biden apparently cannot?

Polls do not show this. Every Democrat (aside from Michelle Obama) polls equal to or worse than Biden. So why cause all this chaos just for equal chances? It's stupid.

Frasier Balzov

(5,060 posts)
10. If VP Harris succeeds to the office prior to the election
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:51 PM
Jul 2024

her incumbency invalidates all prior polling.

She'd be the first woman president. Don't you think that would bring a ton of votes her way?

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
12. Contrary to having a honeymoon phase, I think anyone other than Biden that secures the nomination now...
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:58 PM
Jul 2024

...including Kamala, will face blowback because of how this is all unfolding.

And being the first woman president didn't bring a ton of votes Hillary's way -- it damn near hurt her in the end because of the hidden (and openly) bigot votes. I imagine Kamala will face the same problems -- probably even worse so because of her race as well.

And Kamala is already on the ticket. Biden doesn't need to step down for people to vote for her if they want to already, knowing that if anything were ever to happen to Biden, she would assume the presidency.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
3. That was brutal
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:04 PM
Jul 2024

She's basically saying "if you continue running, I'll support you but you can't win."

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
5. Then she is saying no Democrat can win.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:13 PM
Jul 2024

Because no Democrat polls better than Biden (aside from Michelle Obama).

Which is ignorant on its face and flies in the face of reality in a deeply divided country where sentiment is already baked in given that both candidates have been a nominee in multiple presidential races now.

Sad that so many Democrats are being led around by the nose by donors and propaganda pollsters.

dweller

(28,409 posts)
6. Private Letter written yesterday
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:14 PM
Jul 2024

To JOE BIDEN

Where is it being shown ? On the internet ?


✌🏻

rzemanfl

(31,375 posts)
7. She believes the raving lunatic that spoke last night can be elected President?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:18 PM
Jul 2024

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2024, 06:28 PM - Edit history (1)

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?????

Fiendish Thingy

(23,230 posts)
8. At least she had to the guts to put her name on it.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:23 PM
Jul 2024

Unlike the others who only spoke to reporters anonymously.

Emile

(42,289 posts)
9. It's all about money. Screw over the voters
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 03:28 PM
Jul 2024

and who they voted for. If she can't throw her support behind our Democratic President, Zoe needs to step aside.

Sewa

(1,606 posts)
19. No it isn't, it about winning the Presidency
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:34 PM
Jul 2024

If you are implying Rep Lofgren is corrupt, you are way out of line. 💀👎

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
14. I stab you and all of the Democratic Primary voters in the back and twist the knife, but
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 04:04 PM
Jul 2024

I do it iwth "great respect".

So, if she gets her way (along with the others who have done the same), when we lose the election because of this, who will she blame?

And how does it feel to tell the voters of your party "your votes never mattered. Not even a little bit, if I want something different"?

Or, is she just doing this for the money some rich guy is willing to give for her betrayal?

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
18. This really saddens me. Biv Donors yanking their chains? Pollsters? I never respond to text msgs polling, endlessly
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 07:13 PM
Jul 2024

begging me for money, after the first donation not accepting that, doubling down in the same breath repeatedly.

I delete all these text msgs, I never get them in my email anymore. I had to actively unsubscribe in the 2020 elections.

But I always vote in every election and it's always up and down the ticket for Dems.
We had our Primary a few months ago, and Californians overwhelmingly voted for Biden.
California Dem leadership know this, so these open letter pleas begging Biden to drop out is beyond troubling.
What's their game? They think they're gonna just slip in and nominate a super hero with multi billions just in the nick of time? Who would that be pray tell? Someone that California didn't get the opportunity to vote for in the primary?

and what about all these other states that had already voted in their primaries?

Who? I know they don't want Kamala Harris. I think that's primarily the issue right there.
Biden wins, and something happens to him health wise and Kamala steps in.
Big donors don't want her near the oval office. Why the hell didn't they game this out before now?






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