I want to know who is behind this, orchestrating it?

[lees1975]

Because it is clearly being controlled. It cleared out when the assassination attempt took place, and if Democratic leaders had done the PR job they should be doing, that should have ended it. But we h ave these pop ups, every so often, as if to make sure it doesn't die down and it keeps filtering into the news cycle, blocking out other election news, like the disastrous speeches given by J.D. Vance and Trump at the GOP convention.

Someone is doing this on purpose. Ask who benefits the most. Have we been infiltrated by MAGA? Not likely, but possible. Someone is giving these low level Democrats instructions on when to make their announcement and how to space it out to keep the pressure on. There's some power being used to maniulate here somewhere. We need to get to the bottom of it and the party leadership needs to put a stop to it. I suggest cutting off campaign funds for any member of the house or senate that doesn't openly suppport Biden.

[AkFemDem]

1. Bet it rhymes with Tootin'

[lees1975]

2. It would be extremely disappointing to find democratic members of the House and Senate

taking intructions from Vlad regarding when to abandon supporting their own incumbent President.

[rzemanfl]

6. The attack is from Russia, the media are in it

for money, the donors for power, the patsies for their jobs.

[rzemanfl]

3. Darn tootin' it does. n/t

[valleyrogue]

14. Nah. It more likely rhymes with "barville."

Somebody who is drunk with power thinking people, including donors, should listen to him at all.

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. I disagree that this is orchestrated

There are certainly those who are fueling this crisis, some out of their own self interest, but I’m not convinced this is a planned conspiracy.

At worst, it might be a deftly exploited opportunity, one that was unexpectedly provided by Biden’s poor debate performance and the resulting panic by Dems.

[Skittles]

8. OK answer this

why is there no pile on for the traitor, convicted felon, sex offender, con artist, putin-puppet who has ALREADY proven what a disastrous president he was?

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Because those things are all well known, "boring", and not "news"

If you’ll recall, Trump’s travails were covered extensively during the winter and spring.

Project 2025 was getting some press attention until the shooting and convention.

Now, the decline and potential fall of a sitting president is generating the most clicks and views, and that, not some orchestrated conspiracy, is what is motivating most media coverage (outside of FOX and NYT)

[Skittles]

13. "boring and not news" BECAUSE IT IS NOT COVERED

TRY to imagine a woman or POC or fuck, ANY FUCKING DEMOCRAT behaving like Trump - NO FUCKING WAY THEY WOULD BE ANYWHERE NEAR THE PRESIDENCY

*DONE HERE*

[tritsofme]

9. Come now, reasonable explanations not based on paranoid conspiracy theories are not welcome.

[lees1975]

18. What's the difference between a deftly exploited opportunity and an orchestrated attack that was waiting for an

opportunity?

I've been suspicious, not in a conspiracy theory sort of way, that while poll numbers for Democratic senate candidates move regularly, up down, status in the Cook report change, neither Biden's nor Trump's numbers move much, in spite of a myriad of polls, mostly belonging to corporate media outlets. Democratic senate candidates are doing especially well in most of the battleground states, and even Sherrod Brown has a lead in Ohio, while Florida is today a toss up. By the way, Biden is within the margin of error of Trump in Florida, too. In my lifetime, split tickets popularity reached about 5% at a few points during the Reagan years, and that's about it. But some of these splits in several states, like Pennsylvania and Arizona, are more than 10% in some cases, based on the fluctuation in the senate races. To me, that looks like polling data in the presidential race that is being deliberately suppressed. And at least one composite poll has come out with evidence that's been happening. They outed some of the phony polls in 2020, and again in 2022. My guess is that there are several factors at work there, including electronic interference from Russia, screwing with this to use it in just such a situation

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. One is reactionary, and one is premeditated

I see no evidence for the latter.

[lees1975]

22. I tend to agree, except I think that whoever is pushing it was waiting for something to exploit.

They set up the "He's too old" complaint a long time ago. Notwitstanding that Trump is just three years younger, in worse health, looks worse, gives much more evidence of train of thought issues, as in his 92 minute ramble last night.

So there's some orchestrating going on here, using a willing public media.

[liberalmuse]

5. It feels like a digital coup attempt.

It’s insane. It looks like people really want the greatest President since FDR stepping down. It’s not about him losing, it’s that he’s on track to win. If what happened last Saturday and the RNC Convention this week show no poll bump (polls are shit but not bad at predicting trends), things have become desperate. It’s going to get much worse. President Biden is tough and just needs to hang on. We got this!

[Elessar Zappa]

7. I don't believe in conspiracies like that.

Naturally, there are Russian trolls and bots that are doing what they always do, which is sow discord. But otherwise, it’s just playing out the way it’s playing out. Nothing nefarious on the part of most of the Dems who are calling for him to step aside. Just unjustified panic, in my opinion.

[lees1975]

23. It's something Democrats have historically been very adept at doing to their candidates.

[StarryNite]

10. I agree.

This is just over the top weirdness.

[NoveltySocks]

12. My guess is that it's being stoked and amplified

by various nefarious factions who are simply taking advantage of existing schisms and weaknesses in our system.

[peachpit24]

15. Conspiracy

Thiel, Murdock, and Musk. Trump has had 4 years to plan.

[StarryNite]

16. We need a whistleblower.

I'm thinking somebody who has been approached to call for Biden to step down but who has too much respect for the Democratic process to fall in line.

[suegeo]

17. GOP/Putin psyops + Fools in the New Democrat Coalition

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The timing of all this shit is very suspect. Trump is unfit for office. He's a convicted felon. He should be called out to step down. But the pass the torch shit is sucking all the air of everything, the freak show RNC in Milwaukee, etc.

It seems like many of the early Congressional Democrats foolishly calling for Biden to step aside are members of the New Democrat Coalition. So some of the co-ordination is coming out of there?

My Congressman, Dean Phillips, worked with republican Steve Schmidt, to primary my president and lost.
We worked for like 20 years to flip this district from R to D. Then this ass leaves his seat up for grabs in 2024.
Steve Schmidt, who advised campaigns for Republicans George W. Bush, John McCain and Arnold Schwarzenegger, helped launch the pro-Phillips super PAC, called Pass the Torch.

I think Republican Steve Schmidt is a snake. A sleeper cell.

Some of the earliest calls came from Congressional Dems in this New Democrat Coalition org.
Angie Craig, Minnesota, called for Biden to step aside.
Seth Moulton MA
Marc Veasey TX
Morgan McGarvy Kentucky
Jim Himes CT
Schiff CA
Sean Casten IL

I might be missing more, because I just can't with this pile on Biden shit drip drip drip of poop.

Anyway, back to the GOP/Putin/Schmidt pass the torch:
There's now an online ad calling for Biden to pass the torch. Rumored to be put out by the Pass the Torch PAC started in July 9 2024. A PAC so new that it's impossible to see who is behind it. Is Pass the Torch a Steve Schmidt operation. Is republican Steve Schmidt working with Putin/GOP, Roger Stone, Mike Flynn?

From what I can tell they are planning to put the ad on Morning Joe. But I exercise caution because of all the Putin/GOP manure being flung right now.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/19/biden-ads-drop-out-super-pac/74472406007/

[lees1975]

20. Figured there was something behind it.

Do these guys not realize that if Biden drops out, Trump becomes President? What are they planning then,to cozy up to him to capitalize on it, stuff their own pockets and to hell with the rest of us?

[usonian]

27. The "billion dollar computer model" that seems to have instigated this all

Does not seem to say who WOULD win.

Money flushed.

And all the "Chicken Coup" participants seem to have zero alternatives as well.

Tech Bro's to take over? They just took over the GOP. Tech Bro's are damn good at faking and replacing computer data.

Maybe

[BannonsLiver]

19. It's obviously Kaiser Soze

[Baltimike]

24. Putin for sure...LOTS of bots and...

Something to keep in mind: Tom Strickland - the megadonor pulling dem donations from folks who back Biden - is a co-founder of the WME talent agency. Another co-founder is Ari Emanuel who repped Trump. They also do business with LIV golf tournament, Miss Universe, UFC/WWE (wrestling), Obama (Ari’s brother Rahm was his chief of staff), Elon Musk, and god knows how many media personalities are repped by WME. ~Mueller, she wrote

[Emile]

25. The wealthy donors lost their influence on the GOP because MAGAT'S took it over.

Now they are trying to take over the Democratic party.

[LiberaBlueDem]

26. Big money buys government

They realize Biden is going to win the vote and he's gonna shake up government making it repond to people more and more.

Campaign finance is gonna level the field and push big money out. It's that simple

[Emile]

28. Campaign finance, haven't heard those two words lately.

That's exactly what is needed and us voters should start loudly demanding it.

[LiberaBlueDem]

29. This proves how badly it is needed

The best government money can buy is what we have now.

[myohmy2]

30. this...

...daily bullshit trying to force Joe out is splitting the Party and doing Dems great harm...

...Joe needs to call them out...if they're not with Joe then they're not with the Democratic Party's nominee...

...if so, then a price needs to be paid for such disloyalty that has damaged our nominee's chances of winning...

...and the way they're responding to their perceived problem has created an even bigger problem for our nominee...

...a possible irreparable problem...

[canetoad]

31. There is another group of people

Who certainly don't want Joe to win; some members of SCOTUS.

They have the ear of some very rich people, those whose donations make a difference in elections. They would not welcome any further oversight, as suggested by Joe and the Senate. They have cushy jobs, so wouldn't support term limits.

Maybe I'm too far down the rabbit hole but it's worth considering.