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returnee

(928 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:29 PM Jul 2024

Open letter to Prof. Allan Lichtman

Dear Professor Lichtman,

I want to start by recognizing your expertise and track record. I take your work seriously. I’m writing in this venue as I don’t know how else to reach you or how to give the idea I’m writing about the attention I believe it deserves.

I’m wondering, however, about your recommendation that if President Biden is going to withdraw from the presidential race, that he resign the presidency as well in order to maintain the incumbency, one of your 13 keys, for Kamala Harris. While I agree with your primary recommendation that the Biden/Harris ticket continue as is, it is clear that some powerful other players don’t.

Here’s the rub: If Biden resigns and Harris becomes president, who will become vice president? Of course you are aware of the process in such circumstances: the naming of a candidate, and approval by a majority of both houses of Congress. When I look at these bodies I have little faith that the House will approve the nominee. I’m not even certain we can count on the Senate in these strange times.

In this scenario, we would be left with no one to carry out the ceremonial duty of certifying the electors submitted to Congress. It is virtual certainty that the forces of MAGA in the “red” State houses will attempt any strategy to put Trump back into the presidency, strategies that could conceivably be addressed and hopefully redressed if necessary in this so-called ceremonial process of certifying the submitted electors. This one strategy would be too tempting for MAGA to ignore, and if I’ve thought of it, I’d wager they have already as well.

I’ve only seen this potential obstacle mentioned here on Democratic Underground. As far as I know I was the first to raise it. I would be pleased if you would consider it in your recommendations and predictions, and if you think it a considerable concern, to mention it publicly, if it could in some way deter us from making disastrous choices.

Thank you.

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Open letter to Prof. Allan Lichtman (Original Post) returnee Jul 2024 OP
Jesus, it would probably fall to Mike Johnson. Biophilic Jul 2024 #1
That ceremonial task, belongs to the Vice President, as head of the senate. lees1975 Jul 2024 #4
Thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it. Biophilic Jul 2024 #6
Yes, thanks. returnee Jul 2024 #9
Isn't the new Congress seated before the certification of the vote? Rstrstx Jul 2024 #11
WOW, that's an incredible question ! OnDoutside Jul 2024 #2
Geez, I hadn't thought of that scenario. Elessar Zappa Jul 2024 #3
wow I had not thought about that! nt ecstatic Jul 2024 #5
Looks like you are dead right... See here OnDoutside Jul 2024 #7
Republicans can block a new VP...gives Biden OnDoutside Jul 2024 #8
It would fall to Patty Murray dsc Jul 2024 #10
Lichtman is not recommending SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #12

Biophilic

(6,554 posts)
1. Jesus, it would probably fall to Mike Johnson.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:42 PM
Jul 2024

No way will he endorse/certify the election. Good gravy. What a diabolical. I think I might just go outside and eat worms.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
4. That ceremonial task, belongs to the Vice President, as head of the senate.
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 08:49 PM
Jul 2024

If we had no vice president, the speaker becomes next in line for the Presidency, but does not take over or become vice-president. That duty would fall to the President ProTempore of the Senate, who I believe is Wasington Senator Patty Murray.

Rstrstx

(1,648 posts)
11. Isn't the new Congress seated before the certification of the vote?
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:16 PM
Jul 2024

No guarantee the Senate would be in Democratic hands. But I suppose Joe (or Kamala) could just have someone who is uncooperative whisked away as an “official act”

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
7. Looks like you are dead right... See here
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:10 PM
Jul 2024
The 25th Amendment, Section 1, clarifies Article II, Section 1, Clause 6, by stating unequivocally that the vice president is the direct successor of the president, and becomes president if the incumbent dies, resigns or is removed from office. It also, in sections 3 and 4, provides for situations where the president is temporarily disabled, such as if the president has a surgical procedure or becomes mentally unfit, establishing procedures whereby the vice president can become acting president. Additionally, in Section 2, the amendment provides a mechanism for intra-term vice presidential succession, establishing that a vice presidential vacancy will be filled by a president's nominee upon confirmation by a majority vote of both houses of Congress.[D] Previously, whenever a vice president had succeeded to the presidency or had died or resigned from office, the vice presidency remained vacant until the next presidential and vice presidential terms began; there were 16 such vacancies prior to 1967.

dsc

(53,398 posts)
10. It would fall to Patty Murray
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:15 PM
Jul 2024

who is President Pro Tem of the Senate. If the GOP takes control it would be Grassley unless he bows out like Feinstein did. If he bowed out then it would be McConnell followed by Collins. My guess is if Grassley bowed out, McConnell likely would, and that would leave Collins.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,654 posts)
12. Lichtman is not recommending
Fri Jul 19, 2024, 09:19 PM
Jul 2024

that Biden resign. He has been outspoken in saying that Biden has the best chance of beating Trump. His recommendation is that Biden not step aside. He only said that if Biden were forced to step aside that he also resign to maintain the advantage of incumbency.
As far as certifying the election, the Vice President has no power to do that. Congress certifies the election. The VP merely presides over the process and can’t interfere with it.
Also, the current congress doesn’t certify. It’s the new congress, elected in November, and sworn in on January 2nd that certifies the election.

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