I'm a little overwhelmed

[angrychair]

I know a lot of you are too. I've been a registered Democrat for a long time and active in supporting candidates for 30 years. I honestly have no context for what is happening. It's the most self destructive thing I've ever seen. We literally have this is the bag. Their candidate is a convicted felon and rapist and fraud and liar.
Now not only are they talking about forcing Biden out but it sure starting to sound like they want to force Harris out as well.
I don't get it and even that conspiratorial backroom of my mind can not think of anything that doesn't sound and make me feel like, a loon.

I will campaign and GOTV for Biden and Harris but the Democratic leadership have made that hill almost impossible to climb.

All I can do is what I can do. If trump is elected I can't leave my children or niece and nephews alone to face what would come.

Remember this phrase going forward: I WILL NOT SUBMIT.

[agalisgv]

1. Similar feelings here

To use an overused phrase, it doesn't seem real.

[jpug]

2. The problem is group think

A group of elitist policy types have convinced themselves that Joe can't win.

The problem is that when everyone's thinking the same thing it usually means NO ONE is really thinking.

The points in your post are the objective facts but these bed wetters can't see it and are gonna send us over ancliff.

[Walleye]

11. Groupthink you hit the nail on the head there. I've seen it too many times.

It diffuses the responsibility and blame for failure

[Blue Full Moon]

14. Data showing

That republican women in Florida are starting to turn for Biden. Women have been turning up to vote by larger numbers than the men. The polls show that Biden is the strongest candidate to face trump. Polls show that trumps lead goes to double digits if Harris is the nominee.The federal elections it is conpetitive. 2020 Biden won Florida's female voters over. This election they are also voting on abortion rights. Every state that has put that issue on the ballot has passed it. If voters turn up to pass the ballot this can turn the election in favor of Biden and US Rep. Debbie Murcasel-Powell.

[Doodley]

3. We don't literally have it in the bag when two-thirds of DEMOCRATS interviewed tell pollsters that Joe should step down.

[BonnieJW]

6. But that doesn't mean they aren't going to vote for him

Nt

[angrychair]

17. Who said they were Democrats?

The respondents? Over a phone? How many people did they need to call until they got enough respondents that completed the survey?
Again, I question the intelligence of anyone that answers their phone to a complete stranger.

That said, it doesn't mean they aren't going to vote or vote for trump.

[ecstatic]

26. I wonder how much of that is due to fear of what others think

as opposed to their own personal opinion? I think the motivation matters.

[Irish_Dem]

4. We do NOT have this in the bag when there is bruising fight going on.

The Dem leadership asking Biden to step down.

[angrychair]

18. That is my point

We have it in the bag if not for our own people undermining our candidates.

[Irish_Dem]

20. My point takes reality into account.

[LeftInTX]

5. Congress is being "bribed" by donors.

If they ask Joe to get out, they get donations. If they don't, the tap is turned off.

The ringleaders of the donors is a bitcoin billionaire. So, these donors don't "behave" like traditional donors. They're extreme risk takers.


Now why would a crypto-billionaire support Democrats in the first place? He's openly gay.
I guess if he was GOP, going to pride events and openly dating whoever wouldn't be much fun. So, I guess that's why he supports the Dems. He's also lobbying.

There is another crypto-bro who is running the PAC that's responsible for many of the texts. He's former head of the DCCC. (He's also gay, but I don't think that's why he's a Dem.)

[Captain Zero]

8. What are you really trying to say? You seem to be holding back.

Are we supposed to guess?
Are they acting this way because they are compromised in some way by their gayness?

[LeftInTX]

10. I think being a crypto billionaire leans one into GOP/Libertarian values.

But I think the main reason that he is a Democrat is because he's openly gay. But he has the financial values of the GOP.

The other one is a Democrat, but isn't as rich. However, he was with the house new leader/blue dog coalition, but he was more on the conservative side. (Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned he was gay? He does seem to be running in the same circles as Novogratz, so that's why I mentioned it)


Novogratz Boosts Biden Critics as Donors Boycott President
https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/politics/novogratz-boosts-biden-critics-as-donors-boycott-president/ar-BB1pQ1Ap

[farmboy]

24. "Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned he was gay?" YOU THINK? Yeah, you got that one right.

Maybe we should give the gay test to groups of Democrats who disagree with you on certain policies, financial or otherwise, but have a certain amount of money. You seem to think you have accurate insight into how one acts due to gayness, so maybe you should lead that fight.

[NBachers]

7. I've seen too much of Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I thought we were past that by now.

My grasp of reality was tenuous enough already. Now it's like every ball on the table is an 8-ball, and I'm one of them.

[godsentme]

9. My optimistic take

I sense an overwhelming energy of pissed off people that will show up for Biden/Harris. It is stronger than it would have been if the oligarchs hadn't decided that our votes don't matter.

[Walleye]

12. I think you're right. They are hoping we will just submit to this shit. I don't submit.

[iemanja]

15. Where have you read they want to force Harris out?

Everything I've read suggests that she would be the likely successor should Biden decide to withdraw. She's been meeting with donors. The party has been doing polls about her, etc....

[angrychair]

22. Multiple stories out there

Where they want to hold a "mini-primary" and have candidates vetted by interviews with former presidents (only mentioning Obama and Clinton).

Why would we need to do that with Harris? She already is that VP and completely vetted and background checked. Already on a ticket that won the primaries.
The latest this came up was a interview on MSNBC with Lofgren

I can promise you if they cut Harris out it will destroy the Democratic Party. Democrats will lose the trust and confidence of the Black community. I saw it in the threads post for that article. Multiple people said she sounded racist.

Plus any talk of "mini-primary" or Democratic Party leadership choosing the candidate is meant to cut Harris out or imply she is not who they want.
They only want a slightly less old white man to be president.

[iemanja]

23. That doesn't mean they don't want Harris

She would be among the candidates. I was just polled about whether I’d voted for her.

ETA: it wasn’t a real poll. It was a fundraising thing for her at the top of the ticket.

[angrychair]

25. There should be no "candidates"

She is the only candidate. The only one that would have rights to access Biden's warchest or campaign network.
We don't need "choices", we need at least one of the people we already voted to run the country.

[iemanja]

27. I see a couple of sides to this

1) I appreciate the POV of those who said they already voted for Biden/Harris and don't want their votes discounted.
but
2) It was an uncontested primary. We didn't really have a choice. Biden/Harris were THE option.

However, it is awfully late to be revisiting this.

[ForgedCrank]

16. Lord knows

I've been wrong probably more than I've been right in my life, but I'm guessing that in the end, this will all die down and they will come to the realization that Biden at the top of the ticket is still our best hope to win.
Seemed to me that they are all having a knee jerk reaction to the last debate performance and the public reaction to it.
As we all know, most voters have the attention span of a, well, they don't have one. I would think that if Biden keeps himself in front of the cameras so they can see and hear him every day, this will calm their fears. Although they aren't completely accurate all of the time, the polls are only different by a couple of points, ground very easily made up.
If we can only see him talking a lot, and talking about policy, it should hopefully squelch a lot of these frantic voices who are worried about their own seats down ticket.

[Kaleva]

19. Your also want to be around for them when climate change gets really bad

[berkerly6240]

21. Joe in no way had a win guaranteed win but I believe he is/was our best chance.

[usonian]

28. Everything you hear lately is full of lies.

Propaganda campaign and pay-op that pales Hitler's.

Only trust what Joe Biden says and publishes.


Stay strong. 💪
We shall overcome all this bullshit.
Together.

[Sneederbunk]

29. I am hoping and praying Joe remembers this phrase.