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[BannonsLiver]

1. Imagine taking this at face value.

[bigtree]

3. imagine refusing to advocate for the Democratic nominee

...casting cynicism and doubt on EVERY expression of support for the president.

Imagine that.

[Irish_Dem]

8. Clever strategy isn't it?

If we go beyond face value.

[rzemanfl]

2. The male Sarah Palin makes himself heard.

Putin must be chewing the carpet in the Kremlin,

[Irish_Dem]

6. Putin loves him.

[rzemanfl]

19. I cannot see how this helps the plan of not having to run against Biden.

[Mme. Defarge]

43. Maybe reverse psychology

to keep Biden in the race?

[rzemanfl]

58. Up until this point, everything I have read said they were "only prepared to run against Biden."

This the reverse of that.

[Irish_Dem]

61. Exactly.

So how does it benefit the GOP to use this strategy? And what does it mean?

[rzemanfl]

62. I think it was a mistake, probably because Vance

didn't know the plan. I think it helps Joe against the quit caucus of the Democratic Party.

[Irish_Dem]

63. If he repeats it again it is not a mistake.

[rzemanfl]

64. Has he? I slept for a while,

[Irish_Dem]

65. I don't know.

I am just saying we will know if it is a mistake or not by his future comments.

[rzemanfl]

66. Swore off mainstream media for two weeks.

Someone will post it.

[Mossfern]

67. How dare you!

[rzemanfl]

68. The shameful part is it was premeditated. n/t

[Walleye]

4. OK, you rebellious Democrats, look who you're throwing in with here

Makes me think more and more Putin’s filthy fingers are all over this. Trump does not want to run against Biden again that’s clear.

[bigtree]

9. it will be interesting to see if another Dem jumps into the fray after this

...politics is a lot rougher outside of these pages.

Imagine if the appeals match in any way, which is inevitable. Really problematic for voter-denying Dem legislators. This is deliberate co-opting, and sharp pols would have seen this coming.

[Walleye]

11. I guess this is what Chris Matthews calls, the silly season

[Quixote1818]

40. It comes across like a don't throw me in the Briar Patch

Type of thing to be honest.

[bigtree]

51. who is it directed to?

... you don't believe the Biden campaign is going to seriously consider this, right?

There's no logic to what you say because Democrats aren't following their lead. This is a public campaign to try and get voters to pressure President Biden to resign.

Give it a minute and the campaign will sort it out for folks who don't seem to be able to respond with more than 'Vance is playing an uncertain and politically fraught game to keep Biden in,' as if there was some logical end to that.

The Trump camp dream move is to get the Democrats to blow up their convention where Joe Biden has virtually no real opposition, except the projections of a handful of legislators.

They're trying to increase and amplify calls for the president to step down. It makes no sense that they want to endure the coopting of this campaign tactic, as it's already been throughout the internet and on the media, purposely risking Joe Biden stepping down and facing what you suppose is their ultimate fear of Kamala.

'Head fake' would only make sense if their entire republican machine hadn't just turned on this messaging. it's not a head fake if it's the dominate appeal from the Trump campaign. It's a silly notion, given that this is taking over their own party's message in the couple hours since Vance said this.

Where's the head fake in that? This is directed at Democratic and others, not Biden.

[LeftInTX]

5. LOL!

[MacKasey]

7. There is got to stuff to throw back at this guy

Kamala make him cry like you did to Jeff Sessions!

[Walleye]

13. I'm kind of looking forward to that

[LetMyPeopleVote]

10. Who cares what this idiot wants?

[bigtree]

18. there are Democratic legislators saying essentially the same

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...some 30 of them..

Did they not even imagine how the Trump campaign would exploit their calls for Joe Biden to withdraw or even with suggestions he should 'step down' from the presidency?

I'll tell you who cares. This voter who had endured weeks of his own party members saying essentially the same. Is it clear what this effort represents to the opposition now. Or does it have to be spelled out in cursive?

The Trump campaign has figured out how to exploit this Democratic movement of legislators which has thrown the campaign into such a tizzy.

Here's the deal though. For those of us who believe this 'Dump Biden' effort is an anathema to our democratic system of elections and the voters who participate, I will confidently declare that this is an official position of the Trump campaign, as if it wasn't obvious before.

Don't discount all of us who have been subjected to this internal betrayal of our votes, with self-dealing legislators trying to get President Biden to turn his back on those of us who voted to nominate him.

Let's see how Democrats react to THESE calls for our nominee to step down coming directly from the Trump ticket.

Then let's see the backflips used to distinguish the Trump campaign's goal of upsetting this ticket from any other ostensibly Democratically allied effort to do the same.

Also, this is a clear indication that the Trump team doesn't want to face Joe Biden and wants to disrupt the Democratic nomination process.

Who in our party is still standing for the same disruption, albeit for different reasons, but with the same destructive effect on the Democratic party and our chances in this election?

The Trump campaign doesn't want to face Joe Biden in the general so they're trying to exploit the Democratic based effort to get him out of the way.

Who in our party is acquiescing to that?

Link to tweet

[bullimiami]

12. It always had a large trump/russia/rw propaganda component.

They want him out of the way.

[GoCubsGo]

14. Oh, fuck off, JD.

Once people start learning about this motherfucker, and what a fraud he is, he'll be the one needing to step down.

[bigtree]

23. we just learned that the Trump campaign is afraid of running against Joe Biden

...wonder what internal polls they're looking at?

[StarryNite]

15. Mind your own business you filthy couch cushion humper.

He makes me sick on every level.

[orange jar]

31. Not to derail the thread,

but I found this fantastic Craigslist ad: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/fuo/d/mountain-view-jd-vances-used-couch/7767517572.html

I so badly wish that anecdote was real. I found a pdf of his book on a very insecure website and could not find it anywhere. But my god, if there's anyone out there more deserving of baseless rumors…

[msongs]

16. he's just following the lead of anti biden dems who are handing repubs a gift IMO nt

[bigtree]

21. well, yeah

...who didn't see this effort as aiding Trump?

Who thought removing the man who republicans fear most in this election would be a good idea.

It's obvious they're scared of Joe Biden or they wouldn't try to knock him out before the nation votes.

What internal numbers are THEY looking at?

[Self Esteem]

17. I said a few weeks ago that the second Biden is forced from the race, that's where these people will pivot to.

And that once you opened the door, you weren't likely to get it closed again.

It's really amazing how shortsighted Democrats are. How they can't see the next obvious set up from both the media and Republicans is beyond me.

It's why Harris isn't going to be the option too. Because the media is going to hound her about what she knew and how long she knew it. Republicans would demand an investigation into the administration to see if they were covering up anything related to Biden's health and the media absolutely would LOVE to focus on that one.

The kicker? With how weak some Democrats are, I wouldn't be surprised if a few came out and validated the questions too, adding even more fuel to the fire.

If people really think all this goes away the second Biden steps aside, they're foolin' themselves.

[Demsrule86]

25. He won't quit.

[PortTack]

29. Ding ding ding! Can we end these conversations and start ones that are actually helpful to our win...like now!

[Self Esteem]

33. I agree but those wanting him to are not thinking this through.

[crimycarny]

20. That will be the new GOP talking point--and the media will oblige them

As soon as Sherrod Brown announced that Biden should step down his GOP opponent said this:

“If Joe Biden is unfit to run, he is unfit to serve,” Moreno said in an emailed statement from his campaign. “I am formally calling on Joe Biden to resign the Presidency because his continued presence in the situation room is a national security threat. I hope Senator Brown will join me.”

If Biden is forced to step down this message will turn into a shrieking cacophony that won't allow any new "miracle" Dem ticket to be heard.

Sherrod Brown just made his re-election campaign 10x harder as now he is on defense. It also puts the current Biden presidency at risk. How do you pass legislation if some of your highest ranking Dems are calling for you to step down from the 2024 ticket?

The stupidity of this "Drop Biden" idea is jaw-dropping.

[Blue Full Moon]

38. It's really easy to see

Who is a democrat and who is a republican pretending.

[Mme. Defarge]

22. THIS

has got to be extremely important!

[bigtree]

28. I know!

...all of the political hairs on the back of my neck stood up when I read that.

They are scared of our nominee, at the least.

They know well that a disrupted Democratic party with a new and dubiously experienced candidate is a soft target.

They barely have to lift a finger to join in on the already super-hyped internal divisions in the party.

OTOH, if we're smart, we can make THIS the face of our opposition to the dropping of our incumbent president from the race. It's a no-brainy miracle (or maybe just inevitable).

Going to be awkward for Dems not accepting that their public campaigning against our nominee has been predictably co-opted by the Trump campaign.

[Mme. Defarge]

44. Hoping you're right

and hoping Vance isn’t trying some reverse psychology to keep Biden in the race. God help us!

[krawhitham]

24. He's Not Wrong

[ms liberty]

26. Congratulations to the Democrats that broughbt us to this place

And eff them.

[Frasier Balzov]

27. This is a head fake.

The last thing those guys want is Harris-Whitmer running circles around them.

[bigtree]

30. they obviously fear Biden more. The end result of this would be Harris as their opponent

...who got caught playing along?

Who is still playing the same game?

Jesus, this is like convincing a slowly boiling frog to jump out of the water.

i get that folks are slowly waking to the political implications of this.

It would be just as you say, IF there wasn't a contingent of Democrats saying essentially the same, albeit for different reasons. I mean, the effect is still the same on the party and our chances in November if we do as Vance and others want.

Division and destruction in either effort to have Biden step down. Really awkward now that it's about to become a Trump campaign mantra.

I'll tell you how pissed off this makes me at another time in the future. Right now, take an honest look at the political shit some legislators have us in.

Then watch as the Biden campaign ignores the Democrats calling for him to resign and bears down on the Trump campaign's admission here that they fear Joe Biden as a candidate and will do anything to keep from facing him in November.

Your political mileage may vary.

[Blue Full Moon]

39. Biden is the only way to win

I do think that Harris is capable and will get the job done. Joe is the one that has the poll numbers to do this. Then 8 years of Harris. This is the way.

[Skittles]

35. yeah OK

[Miami Blue]

32. FY 🖕🏻J.D. Vance aka J.D. Wolfman 🧟‍♂️

In other words, the GOP polling agencies are
foreseeing that President Biden is the most
effective opponent against Dick-Tator Trump

[bigtree]

37. they got that

...that's why they're trying to knock Joe Biden off of the ballot before the nation votes.

They know he'll beat them, and they saw a way to try and exploit an already moving opposition to his nomination in our own party.

But the dumb asses jumped right in and made the Trump campaign the face of the 'Biden resign' effort, revealing their fear and taking all the energy out and making it incredibly awkward for anyone even remotely mimicing this call for Pres. Biden to resign.

I won't even mention Democrats still opposing our nominee as much anymore as much because, I'll be pointing almost exclusively to the Trump campaign effort as something to get our backs up to oppose.

If balking Dem pols think they can still do this at the same time the Trump campaign is engaged, I think they're fooling themselves.

[paleotn]

34. Shut the fuck up, Jed.

You inbred fucker.

[Lovie777]

36. They want to deflect from 2025..............

it will be front and center soon.

[Blue Full Moon]

41. Absolutely

Make them eat it. Let everyone know that the repugs want everyone taxes to increase by just less than 3,000 dollars so the billionaires can have a tax cut. That they want to cut social security, cut medicare, cut vetern's benefits, cut education.

[Lulu KC]

42. I take this as proof that the last thing Joe should do is step down

How I wish there had been a collective deep breath after the debate before all hell broke lose. If they don't want him, it's because they know he can win.

[ananda]

45. Lol. That'll sure make him do it!

[ColinC]

46. It is now an official right wing talking point/smear!

[Botany]

47. Republicans thrive on this kind of "shit stirring."

Will J.D. make it to Biden's inauguration because you know Trump won't.

[PatrickforB]

48. This is the Kali Yuga, so they say. We are ruled under the tyranny of evil men.

Those poor widdle billionaires! They feel so insecure because they just don't have enough money! Why, they need TAX CUTS.

So Charlie Koch, who is 88 and will soon pass without TAKING ANY OF HIS MONEY OR POWER with him to the next world has had his Heritage Foundation create a plan to destroy the republic and replace it with a theocratic oligarchy.

But that wasn't enough. Nope. Those poor little billionaire souls were just SO worried Biden might win, they decided they would also work from our end, so they announced they were withholding donations from Biden and told downticket Dems, "But we'll donate to you if..."

And in the meantime Wall Street roars, and those greed lizards have it set up so it costs BIG BUCKS to run any political campaign and this will get worse.

In the meantime us little people will get the old Wall Street squeeze, because we are going to have to suck it up and take massive cuts to programs that help us, as well as sustaining a big TAX INCREASE so those nice billionaires can get just a little more!

Sounds great, right?

But wait for the encore:
Concentration camps, mass deportations, Bannon and his brownshirts will be 'coming for' Democratic leaders.

It does get worse, too. When we betray the NATO alliance, it will surely lead to a really big war, perhaps even a nice world war.

So you know what? When the billionaire parasites are hunkering down in their bunkers worrying about running out of food because the earth is a blackened cinder, hopefully they will feel all better.

Don't worry about being mad at the weak-kneed Democrats, either. They will be hunted down or forced to swear an oath to Donald because, hey, Fuhrer Prinzip, don't you know!

Because pulling our guy out what, three months before the election, is a guarantee we will get pasted at the polls, and the perfidy will be backfiring on downticket Democrats running this year. Because most Americans will be so disgusted, maybe too disgusted to vote. Oh, I will, but I'm only one guy. I'm sure you will too. But the everyday American who thinks about the election maybe the week before and due Wall Street ruling the publicly traded media are pathetically uninformed (oh, that was on purpose!), well, they will shake their heads, stay home and hope whoever is elected won't fuck things up too much.

Ah, but then they will find out just how fucked we really are. But that won't last long. I give the Trump/Vance American Reich maybe ten years. I don't think it will even last as long as Hitler's. Hitler didn't have nukes.

I never thought this republic could fall so far so fast, but the billionaire class has been playing a long, long game and now it is coming to fruition.

As to all of us, get your passports up to date in case you are given the opportunity to flee.

So where is the justice? Why do these billionaires get to fuck us all over so badly? When will they bear the weight of their evil? I don't know and neither do you. But I know that somehow they will live in the misery they are about to foist off on all of us with their fucking greed.

[Botany]

49. Republicans thrive on this kind of shit stirring

Will J.D. make it to Biden's inauguration because you know Trump won't.


Remember that Trump is not running for
President but he is running to stay out of
jail. Rinse, lather, and repeat.

[DFW]

50. Well at least it's official which Democrat scares the Republicans most

Quite coincidentally, it happens to be the man currently holding that office.

OK, maybe not coincidentally.

[japple]

60. I agree. Biden beat them once, and he can do it again. They are scared.

[madaboutharry]

52. J.D. Vance making sure we find out why everyone who knows him finds him despicable.

He is so like Trump, a man with a black hole inside of him where a soul belongs.

[usonian]

53. A reliable source says "No one fucks with a Biden"

Very reliable.



Don't piss him off any more.

[33taw]

54. This has Putin written all over it. If I get one more bot message - I may scream.

[Farmer-Rick]

55. As if Pedo Trump didn't say a very similar thing

From his numerous golf cart interviews.

Dems who support this get rid of Biden campaign are buying into the RNC talking points and Russian troll idiots.

Of course Pedo Trump wants to get rid of Biden. Biden has been the only one to win a head to head campaign against Trump.

Biden has the incumbent advantage. If Biden is replace (by a magical fantasy Dem) Pedo Trump is guaranteed to win absolutely. It will make the pedo look like the incumbent because he would be the most recent office holder in the election.

This is just like 2016 only we don't even have a decent challenger like Bernie. Keep pushing to get rid of Biden and the election will end like in 2016. Russia, corporate media, Republicons, and social media emperors really want Biden out of the race to make room for the Pedo.

[Smackdown2019]

56. Hey Vance!

If your Boss has 33 felony convictions, maybe he two should drop out as well!

Oh yeah,

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

JUSTICE FOR ALL!

[KentuckyWoman]

57. It always was a MAGA operation.

There's nothing wrong with Biden's ability to serve. We don't kick people out of public service because they don't walk as fast as they did a year ago.

[C Moon]

59. The party of putin does not want this lie to die.